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Galaga Galaxian posted:The lawsuit is still ongoing for PGI, so don't expect to see any of their mech models related to the suit until after that is resolved. Wait, that's *still* a thing? THat was a thing back in 2001 when I first hit the aforementioned multiplayer 3025
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Sarsapariller posted:True and also true. But what I'm saying is that strange clansmen laying in tubes distributing 'mechs is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical bloodright ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just cause some eugenics'd up tart threw a Warhammer at you! I mean, if I went around saying I was an IlKhan just because some gengineered bint had lobbed a Wolfhound at me, they'd put me away!
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Wait, that's *still* a thing? THat was a thing back in 2001 when I first hit the aforementioned multiplayer 3025 Harmony Gold has been copyright trolling mechwarrior/battletech stuff perpetually since the 1990's afaik
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I've never been that familiar with the lore, so I'm highly amused that it's straight up General Motors that made the Blackjack and other mechs.
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Crusader posted:I've never been that familiar with the lore, so I'm highly amused that it's straight up General Motors that made the Blackjack and other mechs. Lockheed built the targeting systems that all mechs use! Which have trouble hitting a skyscraper sized target at 500m.
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May 4, 2018 20:18
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Eej posted:It was a good game even if the netcode was so basic that it was literally just "if you click weapons on your target with the reticle over them then they will take damage no matter what even if it's a barrage of LRMs and they run behind a mountain". Yup, but it had ridge peeking and DFA and team play and we were all getting excited for the release and then it just died overnight
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Wait, that's *still* a thing? THat was a thing back in 2001 when I first hit the aforementioned multiplayer 3025 it's a new lawsuit, same fight. HG sued PGI and HBS. The part against HBS was dismissed with prejudice, HG vs PGI still ongoing. Crusader posted:I've never been that familiar with the lore, so I'm highly amused that it's straight up General Motors that made the Blackjack and other mechs. Pontiac survived the great automotive wars with a successful line of autocannons.
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May 4, 2018 20:19
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I can't decide if it's better if Planet Detroit has an excellent description behind it or if it's just "we named the planet Detroit. gently caress you."
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Cowcaster posted:Harmony Gold has been copyright trolling mechwarrior/battletech stuff perpetually since the 1990's afaik The 80s. Robotech aired in 1985, and HG complained to FASA pretty much on day one as far as I know. It just took a few years before the lawsuits really came out.
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May 4, 2018 20:26
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The HBS one was exceptionally lazy if I recall. Like they were claiming the Locust was the mech that was the infringement of their Marauder-like Battlepod.
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May 4, 2018 20:29
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I think all that was clearly a case of punch-counterpunch. They knew exactly what was going on, but knew a judge or jury wouldn't and wanted some easily-abandoned claims to muddy the waters a bit.
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May 4, 2018 20:33
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Recently I learned that Medusa either doesn't know what the gently caress a tree is or has very bad eyesight. Fortunately Glitch just got out of medbay so he can go back to warming the bench.
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May 4, 2018 20:36
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Crusader posted:I've never been that familiar with the lore, so I'm highly amused that it's straight up General Motors that made the Blackjack and other mechs. There was someone in AI who had a perfect "GM Mark Of Excellence" custom title that I wanted to post here, but I can't remember who, and you can't dig through old titles anymore anyway.
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May 4, 2018 20:36
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Night10194 posted:Lockheed built the targeting systems that all mechs use! Holding your weapon steady is lostech. Why do mechs have hands actually? I can understand close range melee mechs having claws because I guess shotguns also are lostech (lol), is it so Atlases can flip people off?
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May 4, 2018 20:37
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so they can hold things, op
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May 4, 2018 20:38
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Pretty sure the answer is: to look cool.
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Cowcaster posted:so they can hold things, op Why can't I give a mech a space handcannon
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I do want to mention that the interesting thing about the clans isn't trying to justify them, and Soup's analogy for them is ultimately misguided because they are explicitly not a rational solution to a tough problem in the text. They are quite literally a faulty solution imposed upon a desperate and decimated military colonial population by a mentally unstable milhist nerd with a dodgy grasp of history, mild to moderate furry tendencies, and an unfortunate but terminal case of the Warriorboo. Half the weird rules he instituted for the clans' ritual combat were because he was personally afraid of people being able to beat him if those rules weren't there, like what happened to his brother in Operation Klondike. And he really, really did not take no for an answer, nor appreciate anyone modifying his perfect plans due to practical concerns, as Clan Wolverine learned at great cost. And the main reason he got away with it is because happened to be the dumber, but luckier, son of Aleksander Kerensky. So the clans are a horrifically inefficient Aristocracy run on the blood and sweat of over 90% of their population with social stratification enforced from the top down, and any clan that tries to ease up on these restrictions are liable to get genocided, like what happened to clan blood spirit during the wars of reaving. All so a bunch of idiots get to have fun shooting each other over e-honours. Nazis nothing, they're basically brony gamer clans with quasi-nationalist ideologies.
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Night10194 posted:Lockheed built the targeting systems that all mechs use! Boeing built the Osprey whose one job is to fly. Makes me nervous knowing they built the Argo.
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RBA Starblade posted:Holding your weapon steady is lostech. Gotta have hands to do jazz hands
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RBA Starblade posted:Holding your weapon steady is lostech. So they can pick things up. Not being sarcastic here, that's literally the reason. Those things might include dead mech parts for salvage. In the tabletop mechs with hands can also uproot trees to use as a club. Practically no one ever does this, but it's a thing that theoretically exists.
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RBA Starblade posted:Holding your weapon steady is lostech.
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RBA Starblade posted:Why can't I give a mech a space handcannon don't know if i'm getting  here but a few of the early designs for mechs (especially the anime licensed ones) legitimately carried their guns in their hands:   they kind of fell by the wayside/got redesigned as the game grew i think 50% because half of them were unseen and 50% in order to give the setting a more cohesive art style Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 20:54 on May 4, 2018 |
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May 4, 2018 20:43
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Tbh I always thought that there are a bunch of redshirts in the background. Like a helo pilot for salvage, etc.
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In other words they're like if overwatch league teams were really into incest and 
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Xarbala posted:In other words they're like if overwatch league teams were really into incest and This is sounding more and more realistic by the second
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Fraction Jackson posted:Those things might include dead mech parts for salvage. In the tabletop mechs with hands can also uproot trees to use as a club. Practically no one ever does this, but it's a thing that theoretically exists. Trees are weak. Real mechs use a severed Locust leg as a club. Or, better yet, a whole Locust, though I don't believe that's ever been supported by any game or fictional element ever.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Trees are weak. Real mechs use a severed Locust leg as a club. Or, better yet, a whole Locust, though I don't believe that's ever been supported by any game or fictional element ever. Why the gently caress not.
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Xarbala posted:In other words they're like if overwatch league teams were really into incest and It doesn't count if you use test tubes. Anyway the truth about the Clans is Kerensky was a terrible father and mentor, having successfully pissed off pretty much every Star Lord who served in the SLDF. Raised the Terran Hegemony heir hands off to be a shithead and manipulated by fat Rasputin Hitler. Then ignoring his own kids to design a cool skull mech and genocide the Periphery. In other words still probably a more effective leader than the White Russian Kerensky. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 4, 2018 |
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I accept the tree club answer and retroactively gives this game a 0/10 for not letting me do that
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I would completely understand the existence and continued presence of Locusts on the battlefield if that purpose was secretly 'Can be thrown at another mech by an Atlas.'
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Night10194 posted:Why the gently caress not. Pre-cut DLC content
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Night10194 posted:I would completely understand the existence and continued presence of Locusts on the battlefield if that purpose was secretly 'Can be thrown at another mech by an Atlas.' One throw, two critical hits to two different heads.
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Night10194 posted:I would completely understand the existence and continued presence of Locusts on the battlefield if that purpose was secretly 'Can be thrown at another mech by an Atlas.' Silence the hate! The SRM and LRM equipped Locusts are perfectly serviceable light mechs that pack enough firepower to rival just about any other light mech and with more speed. It's the MG Locusts that have to sit at the nerd table (because they're primarily intended to be an anti-infantry mech if I remember correctly, and nobody ever includes infantry in battletech anything).
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Jack2142 posted:I mean I am not opposed, speaking of the Warhammer... Galaga Galaxian posted:The lawsuit is still ongoing for PGI, so don't expect to see any of their mech models related to the suit until after that is resolved. Despite this, some of the wording of the AMA and the update post are very strongly leaning on the idea that the Reseen-Unseen are going to be coming to HBS Battletech without actually mentioning the idea directly. I wouldn't be surprised to see them added this year, and we know that the Marauder and Warhammer were straight-up in the game client at earlier points in development.
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:Silence the hate! The SRM and LRM equipped Locusts are perfectly serviceable light mechs that pack enough firepower to rival just about any other light mech and with more speed. It's the MG Locusts that have to sit at the nerd table (because they're primarily intended to be an anti-infantry mech if I remember correctly, and nobody ever includes infantry in battletech anything). Two Elementals can probably beat up a Locust though.
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ulmont posted:Is there any way to view contracts in other systems without going there first? I'd like to do a bunch of assassinations or traps to fill out my heavy collection. No BBS's are lostech.
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Oh certainly. I rather suspect that most, if not all, the Macross Unseen are pretty much just waiting for a patch to be included. Hell, I bet Victoria was supposed to originally have a Marauder or maybe a Warhammer instead of the K2, and wouldn't be surprised if the original heirloom mech was a Phoenix Hawk instead of a Blackjack. However, I'm pretty confident we're not going to see them until the lawsuit is resolved, because PGI/HBS want to play this as safe as possible and not give HG any extra ammunition. I mean, as far as we can tell, they've got HG on the ropes and right now its just HG trying to sandbag and draw out the proceedings. Its best to wait instead of risking it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I thought all the designs were licensed from MWO, so we'd only be seeing stuff that was in MWO first Almost all the Macross Unseen are in MWO, which is the reason for the latest HG lawsuit. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 4, 2018 |
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