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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Which is why it's weird it was originally slated for 360 only.

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SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~

Meme Emulator posted:

Tossing a bishie into metal gear made a whole lot of sense though, and im glad they did it.

Tbf no one expected Raiden to be totally awesome after 2

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



The remake needs to redo the part where Cait Sith swipes the Keystone and his trump card is that he’s holding Marlene hostage. Add this zesty bit of dialogue:

‘I stay with your group, or Barret’s little girl dies. That’s my offer. Take it, or...Reeve it.’

‘...I don’t get it.’

C’mon, guy like Reeve is probably desperate for an opportunity to be able to drop that pun on Avalanche.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

LadyPictureShow posted:

The remake needs to redo the part where Cait Sith swipes the Keystone and his trump card is that he’s holding Marlene hostage. Add this zesty bit of dialogue:

‘I stay with your group, or Barret’s little girl dies. That’s my offer. Take it, or...Reeve it.’

‘...I don’t get it.’

C’mon, guy like Reeve is probably desperate for an opportunity to be able to drop that pun on Avalanche.

I want to be Reeve

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
Did Reeve kidnap Marlene? I'm surprised Barrett didn't rip his spine out for that, regardless of whatever moral epiphany Reeve might have had subsequently.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

communism bitch posted:

Did Reeve kidnap Marlene? I'm surprised Barrett didn't rip his spine out for that, regardless of whatever moral epiphany Reeve might have had subsequently.

no that was tseng

reeve is the head of urban development guy who keeps getting dunked on by the other execs

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



communism bitch posted:

Did Reeve kidnap Marlene? I'm surprised Barrett didn't rip his spine out for that, regardless of whatever moral epiphany Reeve might have had subsequently.

Nah, they got the Turks to do that poo poo. Reeve was just the middle man to give ‘em the ol’ heads up that they had her hostage, and he was there to keep an eye on poo poo to make sure Avalanche stayed in line.

Avalanche had to sit tight and not try to head Shinra off at the temple or Marlene was going to be killed.

Creed Reunion Tour
Jul 3, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Grimey Drawer
Speaking of changing things for a western audience, I remember the box art for Breath of Fire 2 confusing me as a kid. The main character is some blue-haired 15ish year old kid, but they changed it a bit for ~reasons~

Yeah, that's some Conan-esque barbarian hamming it up for impressionable young-uns. Coming to think of it that game was the first to introduce me to the concept of cat girls.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




lmao I have that cart sittin upon my shelf. The art is dope but def misleading.

Maaaan that localization sure was choice.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

esperterra posted:

Maaaan that localization sure was choice.

the only thing that can beat out wild arms 2's translation is, like, machine translations for bootleg chinese games for the NES

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




For some reason you reminded me of this gem of dubbing, even tho it's unrelated


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

holy poo poo

The Duchess Smackarse
May 8, 2012

by Lowtax
i'm gonna post 2B's rear end in this thread real soon!!!! stay tuned!!!!

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I'm excited !!!

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004

Fun Shoe

Creed Reunion Tour posted:

Speaking of changing things for a western audience, I remember the box art for Breath of Fire 2 confusing me as a kid. The main character is some blue-haired 15ish year old kid, but they changed it a bit for ~reasons~

Yeah, that's some Conan-esque barbarian hamming it up for impressionable young-uns. Coming to think of it that game was the first to introduce me to the concept of cat girls.

The US box art for Suikoden was also interesting. I've played Suikoden, I'm only vaguely certain who the characters in the box art are supposed to be:



"Suikoden, Suikoden, how do we localize this for Americans? Yeah I don't know, just make it look like a Turkish Soap Opera."

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

so where do i stick my dick

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Joe Mama Poonana posted:

i will absolutely love it if ff7 isn't mentioned once. just to see the reaction of fans

i'd love it more if it was announced...as cancelled, because there's no way the ff7 remake won't be, at best, extremely disappointing and underwhelming

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




precision posted:

so where do i stick my dick

whereva u want bb

The Duchess Smackarse
May 8, 2012

by Lowtax

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back





I found you!! Miss 2Booty

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014


:tutbutt:

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

hachi machi...

A. Beaverhausen
Nov 11, 2008

by R. Guyovich

Extra Large Marge posted:

The US box art for Suikoden was also interesting. I've played Suikoden, I'm only vaguely certain who the characters in the box art are supposed to be:



"Suikoden, Suikoden, how do we localize this for Americans? Yeah I don't know, just make it look like a Turkish Soap Opera."

I remember this boxart so well and it started my love for the Suikoden series. It does look ridic

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Now that's a robutt.

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014



:captainpop:

Wicker Man
Sep 5, 2007

Just like Columbus...


Clapping Larry

:Quietly saves:

Papa Emeritus III
Jul 7, 2017

[A MESSAGE FROM THE CLERGY]

Dat's Pussy Trap, bitch!

Deal with it.

Mega64 posted:

I want to be Reeve

I unironically like Reeve a lot. I wish they allowed more interaction(i.e.: the player controls him) and revealed more of his character development. Like, eventually he joins the party as himself and ditches Cait toward the end of the game.

I remember reading once on wikipedia or whatnot that Reeve was originally slated to be something called an Inspira instead of human and he had the casting ability of "inspire", which allowed him to basically breathe life into inanimate objects. Hence, why he controlled Cait Sith to some degree but it still had some free will and it's own voice/accent/etc.

They scrapped the idea for whatever reason. Also, Reeve made/designed the mako reactor and Midgar. It'd be neat to learn more about that saga.

Papa Emeritus III
Jul 7, 2017

[A MESSAGE FROM THE CLERGY]

Dat's Pussy Trap, bitch!

Deal with it.

HHHHHHHGGGGGGGNNNNNNNNN

Obsidianheart
Apr 26, 2017

Throwing off the shadow of a better man.
I came to post something... about twink Nier? Oh, right, isn't he DLC in the western version?




dat rear end

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Dad Nier made for a more compelling narrative than brother Nier

Papa Emeritus III
Jul 7, 2017

[A MESSAGE FROM THE CLERGY]

Dat's Pussy Trap, bitch!

Deal with it.
Playing an FF6 emulator. Just did the opera scene. Forgot how awesome Setzer is. :swoon:

I just wish that stupid slot attack was more fruitful.

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
*stabs thread in its cradle* A2 is better

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
honestly my only complaint with the new God of War is that they didn't make Kratos dad-hot, he still looks like he belongs on a Slipknot album cover, only now with a beard

the main antagonist, OTOH, is pre' good lookin' and never wears a shirt

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Papa Emeritus III posted:

I just wish that stupid slot attack was more fruitful.

Google that attack and RNG and you'll learn everything you need to know.

Pug Rodeo
Feb 20, 2007

BRING IT ON BRING IT ON YEAH


Well thanks to this thread I borrowed my friends old PS3 so I could redownload all the PSOne Classics I have on my account. Not sure if I want to start with Xenogears or Chrono Cross.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Papa Emeritus III posted:

I just wish that stupid slot attack was more fruitful.

slots can be easily manipulated if you know the mechanics of how it works:
https://masterzed.cavesofnarshe.com/GameDocs/FF6Aslotfaq.txt

quote:

--------------------
Reel behavior
--------------------

Each of the reels behaves differently; this is because of the rigging code's
modifications to the symbol selection. Here's how the game tends to act:

Reel 1 - The symbol selected is the symbol it stays with. There is no
modification code to alter what's chosen. You won't be helped, but
there will be no hinderance either.

Reel 2 - Will help you get the next correct symbol if you confirm a little
early (one to around four max), but only if you can get the attack.
If the rigging won't allow it, you can still get the symbol, but the
game won't help you.

Reel 3 - Will help you get the next correct symbol if you confirm a little
early (one to around four max), but only if you can get the attack.
If the rigging won't allow it and reel 2 is a match to reel 1, reel 3
will actively skip over the correct symbol instead of offering any
help. If reel 2 doesn't match reel 1's choice, however, it will act
like the first reel since Mysidian Rabbit is all but guaranteed now.
Be aware that if triple 7 Joker's Death is available, 7-7-BAR Joker's
Death may be harder to obtain as the game will try to look for the
last 7.

--------------------
Pause abuse
--------------------

Aside from knowing how the reels behave and each reel's symbol lineup, there is
an actual trick to help you get what you're looking for after everything is set
up; the use of pause to freeze the reels. Unlike later FF's where slot reels
continue to spin while the game is on a break, FF6's Slot command won't
continue on until you unpause. By pausing and unpausing the game, you can spin
the reels at your own pace, and by hitting confirm as soon as you unpause, you
can easily snag what's next without any real effort.

--------------------
Rigging Slot
--------------------

In order to successfully control Slot's attack availability, you should first
learn how it works. A random number generator (RNG) ultimately controls
what attacks are available to you. It uses a table of pre-randomized values
from 0 to 255 and an index, a value telling the game where it is in the table,
that changes under certain conditions to grab numbers at "random." The index
for this RNG only increases in value, but it resets upon reaching 256 since it
can only go up to 255. Unlike other RNG's in the game, however, the index
always starts off at zero upon entering battle. Not only that, but this
generator is not in use as often as others; only certain functions such as
Slot, Roulette, and some battlefield animations make use of it during combat
(see section 5). This guaranteed starting point, along with its rather seldom
use, makes the RNG easily controllable. Control the generator, and you control
Slot.

The last thing you need to know, however, is when you have your chosen attack
in hand. While you definitely have it if you have the right combination
confirmed, the last thing you need to worry about for setting up that combo to
be selected is the first reel. When you confirm the first reel, that's when
Slot plucks a value from the RNG and then increments the index for the next
time the RNG is used; once you have the first reel down, you can take your time
with the rest. The game has its value and knows how to react when confirming
reels 2 and 3, so further usage won't affect Slot. From here, it's all on you.

If you need an example, let's see how the tried-and-true Echo Screen/Joker's
Death trick works.

As previously stated, when you enter battle, the RNG index for Slot's generator
starts at 0. Assuming the enemy's entrance or initial attacks do not alter the
index, in order to use Joker's Death, you need to change the index to something
that will permit the attack. Sections 5 and 6 list their numbers in
hexadecimal (base 16), so you'll probably want either a scientific calculator
or Windows calc for your own work (since Echo Screen is a one-turn setup, you
don't need it here).

First off, let's see what the closest value to 0 is that will permit triple
7's. To do that, flip to section 6 and look for the (J) symbol in the
combination reference table... or look below:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
0 07 (H) (M) 1F 55 5B 37 E3 (H) 4F (H) (H) 99 (H) 77 CB
1 (J) 8F 43 (H) A7 (M) 2D (M) C7 (M) D7 D1 (H) (H) C1 DD

10h is the closest value. However, now that you know what value you need, you
now need to use some abilities that will raise the index to 10h. A quick look
in section 5 shows three abilities that add 10h to the index, seemingly perfect
for the task at hand!

Echo Screen - 10h
Smoke Bomb - 10h
smoke entrance/exit animation - 10h

Of course, two of these aren't exactly practical; the entrance/exit animation
is enemy only, for one. Smoke Bomb would work, but it hits multiple times,
so each hit would increment the index 10h. A full party would result in a 40h
increase, exactly what you're NOT looking for. This is all disregarding the
fact that Smoke Bomb makes you run away unless an enemy has the Can't Run
property. That limits it to a lone Setzer/Gogo; unless Setzer has Quick,
that's far from ideal, and a lone Gogo can't have Quick anyway, leaving it
open a turn.

Echo Screen's the easiest choice given all this. When you use Echo Screen,
there's nothing special about the item itself as it doesn't use the RNG; its
smoke animation does. This means that you must wait until the smoke clears
before you can confirm the first reel. Once you've done that and have your
first 7, though, you're through with manipulating the rigging. Now your timing
and maybe the newfound favoritism towards you of the code will determine if you
get Joker's Death.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
Yeah but Lucky 7 is the only really exceptional thing on that list. Flush and H-Bomb have pretty :geno: damage output, Chocobop doesn't even work on everything, and Magicite is a crapshoot on a good day (and sometimes you get Crusader which is almost as bad as Joker Doom). Even GP Toss isn't that great once you realize its damage caps at ~2500 no matter how much gold you have.

Better just to give him Fixed Dice + Offering :getin:

SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~

Pug Rodeo posted:

Well thanks to this thread I borrowed my friends old PS3 so I could redownload all the PSOne Classics I have on my account. Not sure if I want to start with Xenogears or Chrono Cross.

Pffft xenogears obviously

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Obsidianheart
Apr 26, 2017

Throwing off the shadow of a better man.

The White Dragon posted:

Fixed Dice + Offering

Ah, Setzer, this is how I remember him always.

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