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Lockback posted:Even if you are staring at a long rebuild, I like asking the question "Will this guy be in a position and role to succeed in the next 2 years". I feel like we lean too much into nature vs nurture, how a guy develops is very tied into how you are able to play him during those first couple years. I prefer the sixers rebuild where you just take the best player and worry about stupid things like position and roles later.
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Paul Zuvella posted:I had a dream that the Griz traded Mike Conley and Marc Gasol to Cleveland I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way about Memphis. If they could find a team to track Chandler Parsons' contract off of them, they could improve quickly.
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May 18, 2018 19:29
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Wonder if Orlando and Houston are considering a trade. https://twitter.com/JoshuaBRobbins/status/997253164192575488?s=19 edit: It won't happen but I think the ideal draft for the Mavs involves Doncic deciding to not come to the NBA for a year, stay into the draft, and fall to Dallas. Then Dallas is terrible again for one more lotto pick. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 18, 2018 |
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May 18, 2018 20:12
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why is okc interviewing a top 10 pick when they don't have a pick let alone the assets to get into the top 10
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This is their one chance to interview guys because they can’t really do it once they are on another team They put the interview into the file and have it if they want to trade for the guy later or sign him
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May 18, 2018 20:19
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He could also fall pretty far if his medicals come back badly
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I’m talking myself into second tier prospects pretty well now. Bamba is a physical freak! Triple J is projected to be good! Michael Porter was the top pick before the back injury! Trae Young might be like Steph Curry!
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NickRoweFillea posted:I’m talking myself into second tier prospects pretty well now. Bamba is a physical freak! Triple J is projected to be good! Michael Porter was the top pick before the back injury! Trae Young might be like Steph Curry! It's a pretty good year for that, really, if you're 1-7 or so. Theoretical ceilings are pretty good on most of those guys, so you can really let yourself go. Bamba needs to do some audio books or something; throw on an interview, and drift off to dreamland.
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It would not be surprising at all if the best player to come out of this draft falls anywhere in the lottery.
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NickRoweFillea posted:I’m talking myself into second tier prospects pretty well now. Bamba is a physical freak! Triple J is projected to be good! Michael Porter was the top pick before the back injury! Trae Young might be like Steph Curry! Bamba's wingspan is fuckin nuts. He's grown on me mostly because some guy on r/suns always calls him BIDIBIDIBAMBA
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May 18, 2018 21:42
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Are y’all more confident in Bagley or Bamba
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May 18, 2018 22:28
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Personally I don't like how Bagley gets pushed around. When KU and Duke played in the Elite Eight Bagley was basically a non factor when guarded by 6-7 205lb Euro Svi Mykhailiuk
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May 18, 2018 22:42
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Doltos posted:I prefer the sixers rebuild where you just take the best player and worry about stupid things like position and roles later. All jokes aside, that's a true question of teambuilding philosophy, the Celtics were fine with drafting players who needed specific roles to really shine, while Hinkie was thinking about how close to impossible it is to win a championship without one of the best 2 or 3 players and then even more star power, fit, position, etc be damned. I guess we'll see what happens!!! In the upcoming years!!!!
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I mean...if that were true wouldn't they have taken Kristaps over Okafor? I thought the idea was Okafor and Embiid could play together.
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NickRoweFillea posted:Are y’all more confident in Bagley or Bamba I'd take Bagley before Bamba, I think both have a nice ceiling but I think Bagley has more NBA skills right now. I also think Bagley will probably need to play next to a real rim protector, but that's ok. I also think Bagley will probably go #3 right now though.
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I think I'm falling into that trap where I become enamored with a lot of the periphery things regarding Bamba. He's certainly a culture fit with Dallas (he reminds me a lot of Harrison Barnes in that regard, listening to him speak), but at a certain point, they just need talent. And none of that is to say I don't want them to take him, or I don't think he's talented. It just probably shouldn't be my focus. Or theirs, certainly.
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kiimo posted:I mean...if that were true wouldn't they have taken Kristaps over Okafor? I thought the idea was Okafor and Embiid could play together. All the rumors since that draft said Okafor was an ownership pick and Hinkie wanted Zinger I'd take JJJ #3 right now
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NickRoweFillea posted:Are y’all more confident in Bagley or Bamba Bagley is probably a little safer, but I'd take Bamba because his upside defensively is so high and he has a more obvious role as a NBA starter. With Bagley i think you really have to buy into his jumper to think he's gonna be more than a bench guy in the Greg Monroe mold (which isn't the worst thing but not necessarily what you want in a top 4 pick) where his offense is good but not good enough to justify the hit you take defensively by playing him starter minutes. MourningView fucked around with this message at 23:19 on May 18, 2018 |
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Saw someone posit a trade 4th overall 2018 for Terry Terror, MEM 1st 2019, SAC 1st 2019
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They're trading the best point guard in the league and you want them to throw in picks???? smh
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Okafor was a better prospect than Bagley. Maybe Bagley will end up in a better situation and also will have more of a desire to pick up those things that Okafor is missing but I do not have a lot of faith in him.
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NickRoweFillea posted:Saw someone posit a trade Terry will probably have to get traded at some point but including both of those picks with him for 4 this year seems like something Danny Ainge wouldn't do in a billion years
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Hahah https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/997598535091548160
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:All the rumors since that draft said Okafor was an ownership pick and Hinkie wanted Zinger Didn't Porzingis refuse to workout for the 76ers?
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FakePoet posted:It's a pretty good year for that, really, if you're 1-7 or so. Theoretical ceilings are pretty good on most of those guys, so you can really let yourself go. it's 1-6, whoever the bulls draft at 7 is a guaranteed bust
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Cool Buff Man posted:Terry will probably have to get traded at some point but including both of those picks with him for 4 this year seems like something Danny Ainge wouldn't do in a billion years quote:Terry Rozier is called “Biological Son” (亲儿子) or “The Crown Prince” (太子) because Celtics GM Danny Ainge is so reluctant to trade him that he must be Ainge’s biological son or the heir to his kingdom. This is even funnier than it sounds because these same nicknames had been used previously for Austin Rivers, who of course is Doc Rivers’ actual biological son. So in other words people are saying that Rozier is Danny Ainge’s Austin Rivers.
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Metapod posted:Fire dumb man and hire me I'll hire you to GM my goon staffed team but heads up that I plan to be a more meddling owner than actively alcoholic James Dolan
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The Glumslinger posted:Didn't Porzingis refuse to workout for the 76ers? Zinger had the same shithead agent, Andy Miller, as Noel. Hinkie was totally in love with Porzingis
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FakePoet posted:It's a pretty good year for that, really, if you're 1-7 or so. Theoretical ceilings are pretty good on most of those guys, so you can really let yourself go. That's the narrative every year
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kiimo posted:Personally I don't like how Bagley gets pushed around. True, but then I think of those Duke-UNC games where Bagley altered anything that came close to the basket, and it's tough for me to reconcile those two together. I'm more inclined to believe in the Bagley from the UNC games will be the one (eventually) in the league than the Kansas one, but I'm not the captain of draft analysis.
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sum posted:That's the narrative every year I still have a lot of players to watch so maybe those are the good ones, but I'd actually say this draft has the potential to be, not good.
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Any chance Diallo falls to the Bulls at 22(21?) He is my irrational blind faith sure fire hit pick this year.
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kiimo posted:Personally I don't like how Bagley gets pushed around. He looks like he can easily put on more weight. He also tries really hard so I guess he's a shorter, thinner KAT with a worse offensive game? Rick posted:Okafor was a better prospect than Bagley. Maybe Bagley will end up in a better situation and also will have more of a desire to pick up those things that Okafor is missing but I do not have a lot of faith in him. Isn't Bagley way better on the pick and roll than Okafor could ever hope to be?
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Bamba played a ton of minutes with Dylan Ostekowski (brawny white pf) taking on stronger guys at the point of attack so that he could stay home at the basket when most other centers would have been matched up. He's going to need that kind of help, Gobert had Derrick Favors while he was getting stronger, and I assume whoever drafts him will want something similar. Texas holds down elite prospects, so he may be better than he looks on video. __ Marvin Bagley is like an NFL slot receiver, he does well manuevering through bodies to catch lobs and to get one dribble away from the basket. On defense, zone aside, he played like that was the part of the game he understood, he'd play passing lanes and stop guys at the points he usually slid around in. I don't know if I've seen him block anyone who didn't look unathletic and small (dog whistle). Could a good team teach him how to read offenses and be a true center? gently caress if I know, Duke didn't even try. His jumper looks cool but it's clunky and slower than it looks, fixing that would open up the space he needs to do his best work. He rebounds with an attitude, which is nice to see. His team success will be contingent on his team finding a 5 who can cover his weaknesses. ____ Deandre Ayton makes me think of pre-injury Greg Oden with less power, on offense. He's not as much of a beast, but he has similar ability to pivot and pop little jumpers in, flick shots off his wrist, and generally get as many points as he'd like at the basket. Dexo posted:Any chance Diallo falls to the Bulls at 22(21?) He's fallen way beyond that, mid-second round. He's has the measurements to be a sg along with good athleticism numbers, he doesn't really look that athletic on court. His shot is a bit wonky and while he has all the tools, he has a low bball iq and it shows on both sides of the floor. Bad defender in general and a very inefficient chucker on offense. You'd have to teach him basketball and put him in good situation, open driving lanes, lots of time for his jumper, an assigned role that he doesn't deviate from on defense. He should rise because of his tools, but he's never looked especially good post high school. He would be a developmental project. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 08:48 on May 19, 2018 |
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Probably Magic posted:True, but then I think of those Duke-UNC games where Bagley altered anything that came close to the basket, and it's tough for me to reconcile those two together. I'm more inclined to believe in the Bagley from the UNC games will be the one (eventually) in the league than the Kansas one, but I'm not the captain of draft analysis. He blocked less than one shot a game in college as a near seven footer, that is really bad Dexo posted:Any chance Diallo falls to the Bulls at 22(21?) He's a second rounder at best
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Yahoo's saying that: Phoenix is willing to trade the #1 pick (not a terrible idea if they can address more than one need) https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-notebook-phoenix-suns-open-trading-top-pick-094056682--nba.html The Lakers might be cleaning house, and nobody is untouchable (probably for the purpose of making runs at the huge names on the UFA list plus a trade for Leonard, I'd assume) https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/report-lakers-telling-teams-no-player-untouchable-152149291--nba.html
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I initially thought MPJ would fall to 7-9, but im feeling pick at #4 now, whether its Memphis or someone trading up. You think Clips trading Harris and #12/13 would do it? I think that would give Memphis the best team next year, although not for the future. Heck then flip those picks for another not quite an all star. PS Can we get a draft game going where we choose a team and play gm?
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The NBA draft isn't like the NFL draft. Quality is more important than quantity. Trading down only works if the guy you wanted all along will be there (Tatum) or if the trading partner sucks at evaluating talent (McBuckets)
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