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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'm pretty sure about the only thing seperating Derek Smart from Chris Roberts is relative success and possibly charisma, and there's absolutely an alternate universe where it's Chris Roberts who briefly had mod powers before a ridiculous flameout from an inability to understand rules.

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Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Saint Isaias Boner posted:

i enjoyed the part of the SC thread where the posters started getting real creepy about crobert's wife (the whole thread basically)

I always thought the fascination with Ben's wife was creepier. Sandi's weird because as a fairly high profile executive at the company she's been involved in some weird, shady poo poo - like pretending not to be married to the CEO, and personally emailing goons to call them names and ask about their offsite handles - so there's stuff there worth talking about, but every goddamn time you do some goon starts talking about getting hair samples to prove she's not from Australia so her degree must be fake because :psyboom:

Beet Wagon fucked around with this message at 15:00 on May 20, 2018

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
Yea that's such an internet thing, like, the star citizen people are obviously terrible on there own and provide plenty of reasons to dislike them, why bother manufacturing more reasons. Mainly, I suppose, for the more lonely people to get that brief glee in seeing your post get quoted with your hot new information to feel like you're having a meaningful social interaction in this 2018 hell scape world.

Edit: and many star citizen goon posters were whales so I mean you know they don't have extremely fulfilling lives because they were buying into the dream of relaxing away all your worries in a space hot tub as much as anyone else who dumped more than, say, $50 into this poo poo show

mods changed my name fucked around with this message at 15:06 on May 20, 2018

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
No one turns on their saviour quite like the followers of a false prophet whose promised land never materialised.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





mods change my name posted:

Edit: and many star citizen goon posters were whales so I mean you know they don't have extremely fulfilling lives because they were buying into the dream of relaxing away all your worries in a space hot tub as much as anyone else who dumped more than, say, $50 into this poo poo show

Pretend I posted a picture of my old pre-refund account total here :negative:

But yeah there's a lot that goes into it. Some people take it really personally that by all accounts it seems like these people are going to get away with scamming mentally ill weirdos out of millions of dollars. I can't even really blame them for crusading for "what's right" in a lot of cases cause yeah that fuckin sucks and if it were about anything other than a video game there's be huge social media campaigns and all that. Some people just embraced Derek's "no-holds-barred, gently caress-you-if-you-step-to-me" style, and some people just really like how SA has been turned into the "anti star citizen boogeyman" on places like reddit.

The other thing that's tricky is that because so many people found their way here from reddit or the Star Citizen official forums, saying "don't touch the poop" is kind of meaningless, because they've been living in the poop forever. So that slapfight they're having on reddit is not just something for the thread to laugh at, but then you get someone like Derek who goes "Oh that fucker? Yeah I remember him from when I was posting there, hold on, here's his Mom's address" or whatever lol. Which isn't to say Derek was the source of all the creepy posting - there's always weirdos on the internet - but he definitely made it easier for some goons to stare too long into the abyss, I think.

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

Beet Wagon posted:

I always thought the fascination with Ben's wife was creepier. Sandi's weird because as a fairly high profile executive at the company she's been involved in some weird, shady poo poo - like pretending not to be married to the CEO, and personally emailing goons to call them names and ask about their offsite handles - so there's stuff there worth talking about, but every goddamn time you do some goon starts talking about getting hair samples to prove she's not from Australia so her degree must be fake because :psyboom:

when I was reading the thread it was mostly about Sandi's imdb profile and how she was listing "around the 'verse" as an acting credit or some bullshit. I'm sure she sucks poo poo and all but who cares

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

the hype around the lovely squadron 42 footage and the entire broken mess of a game was the funny part I thought without needed to dredge up every detail about the idiots running the show

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

the hype around the lovely squadron 42 footage and the entire broken mess of a game was the funny part I thought without needed to dredge up every detail about the idiots running the show

Yes but factoids like Chris being at the end of the rope selling cars before hitting this lottery, and Sandi denying that she's married to Chris for the first 5 months are hilarious. It adds a human element to this on-going scam, sort of like sports documentaries on HBO.

People digging up criminal records of DiscoLando and stuff like that were going overboard though, I agree.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Saint Isaias Boner posted:

when I was reading the thread it was mostly about Sandi's imdb profile and how she was listing "around the 'verse" as an acting credit or some bullshit. I'm sure she sucks poo poo and all but who cares

Yeah, no disagreement here. The "failed actress" subplot honestly has had a couple funny moments (like when she and Chris went to the premier of a movie she had been entirely cut out of) but mostly it just hovers dangerously close to :yikes:

Like, I get the angle some people have for talking about it - her "leading role" in SQ42 is strange, considering the talent involved, and her use of CIG's offices to film unrelated projects in is kinda weird - but pretty much most of the commentary could be boiled down to "she wants to be an actress and she's doing everything she can to milk Star Citizen to further her own career" and be left at that, without having to draw giant posters with imdb credits connected by red yarn or whatever.

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Checking in on star citizen for the first time this year, what’s the latest?

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

Beet Wagon posted:

Like, I get the angle some people have for talking about it - her "leading role" in SQ42 is strange, considering the talent involved, and her use of CIG's offices to film unrelated projects in is kinda weird - but pretty much most of the commentary could be boiled down to "she wants to be an actress and she's doing everything she can to milk Star Citizen to further her own career" and be left at that, without having to draw giant posters with imdb credits connected by red yarn or whatever.

Although goons finding her tickle porn videos, and then setting Derek's avatar to the tickler in black was peak comedy in this forum for past 5 years to me. Derek bursting into the thread daily with his RED ALERT BREAKING NEWS updates about his porn research was ridiculous. When I was a little kid trying to play Battlecruiser 3000 and hating my life for it, I could never imagine the man behind it would one day become this crazy uncle of SA.

Now this crazy uncle is banned from family dinners, and it will never be the same.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 16:49 on May 20, 2018

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011

by Reene

Beet Wagon posted:

As I understand it, someone thought it would be funny, and also this way no games mods had to deal with the (at the time) 1200 posts per day in the main SC thread.

Why do you moderate the SC subforum? You seem more reasonable than the retards who are repeating the same sentences over and over hundreds of times a week for months on end. I don't recognize many of the posters in there compared to SC threads from a few years ago, a lot of them seem like redditors who spent :10bux: to screech about every single loving thing related to SC as if their lives depend on it.

jimmyjams
Jan 10, 2001


King Kong of Megadongs
Gobblin' them mega schlongs
Makin' sure they mega long
Stroke' 'em if they mega strong
fart shitizen

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ
low tax is really bad at running this web sight he gave derek smart mod power and also encourages people to talk about alt-right stuff and doesn't understand that it's poop that shouldn't be touched

feelix
Nov 27, 2016
THE ONLY EXERCISE I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH IS EXERCISING MY ABILITY TO MAKE A POST PEOPLE WANT TO READ
well cya on my rereg

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Mukip posted:

Why do you moderate the SC subforum? You seem more reasonable than the retards who are repeating the same sentences over and over hundreds of times a week for months on end. I don't recognize many of the posters in there compared to SC threads from a few years ago, a lot of them seem like redditors who spent :10bux: to screech about every single loving thing related to SC as if their lives depend on it.

Well, I appreciate the compliment, but if we're being real honest I technically am one of those redditors who spent :10bux: to screech about SC lol.

IDK it's basically a chat thread, and I like a lot of the posters there. Plus every couple months something even crazier happens and the "old breed" come back to enjoy the hilarity for a bit. It's not too much work to keep the lights on and the furniture dusted in between major CIG fuckups lol.

feelix posted:

well cya on my rereg

:rip:

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Rad Russian posted:

Although goons finding her tickle porn videos

but it was never 100% confirmed that was her, was it?

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009

Tinfoil Papercut posted:

What if we had a single thread on the SC sub for Derek. He can post in that thread, but nowhere else - and nobody else can post in Derek's thread.

So we just get this nonstop stream of Derek posts which look like he's ranting and raving in an empty room.

He has his own forum for that.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009
Also I have never backed Star Citizen, but I've been following this trainwreck for the past couple months just for the entertainment value.

Although also I legitimately would very much like to see this giant scam crash and burn. $700 "micro-transactions" for DLC that doesn't exist yet in a game sold on lies. Star Citizen may more than prove the old adage "fools and their money are soon parted", but I'd still like to see the charlatans who have gotten rich off of it suffer some sort of legal retribution. I know they won't though.

Beet Wagon posted:

Well, I appreciate the compliment, but if we're being real honest I technically am one of those redditors who spent :10bux: to screech about SC lol.

IDK it's basically a chat thread, and I like a lot of the posters there. Plus every couple months something even crazier happens and the "old breed" come back to enjoy the hilarity for a bit. It's not too much work to keep the lights on and the furniture dusted in between major CIG fuckups lol.

IMO you're a good poster, Beet Wagon, and the forums are lucky to have ya join.

Rad Russian posted:

People digging up criminal records of DiscoLando and stuff like that were going overboard though, I agree.

Despite all the whining about Derek Smart being banned stuff like this is the reason he very well should have been banned. People can cause all the lols they want online, but when it escalates to quasi-stalking and potentially negatively affecting random redditors in their offline life, then that poo poo's gone way, way too far and shouldn't be tolerated no matter how amusing the poo poo-stirrer is. That's like laughing off some autistic kid lighting random things on fire because he's just oh so funny.

Sucrose fucked around with this message at 06:49 on May 21, 2018

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Edit - Doublepost

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 07:12 on May 21, 2018

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

i enjoyed the part of the SC thread where the posters started getting real creepy about crobert's wife (the whole thread basically)

Its even sadder when they made a subforum so that sort of pseudo doxxing and obsession could fester for a dew years.

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011

by Reene

G0RF posted:

STATE OF THE GAME: Musings on Streamers

This isn’t a proper effort post, just a first draft dump to give Thread readers a sense of the surreality of the season as seen through the eyes of Streamers.

In this earlier actual effort post, I talked about a year of “Capitulation to the Obvious for all but the Oblivious.”

I’d like to revisit that, but paying special attention to the Streamers, some of whom have proven consistently oblivious to much Thread amusement and disbelief.

Most of you wisely avoid much exposure to the weekly Star Citizen streamers. I can understand why.

This year, I’ve made a habit of monitoring them more closely than before, as much to get a sense of the evolving chatter in that small part of the backer base that actually has a pulse and shares opinions regularly. Their audiences are meager, and it might be reasonable to assume their broadcasts are trivial, save for the fact that CIG employees monitor and engage with them, too.

This in itself is telling. Sherman and Cristian are mods of and a regular presence in Redacted’s Twitch stream.

Lando pops on to The Space Bro Show as a guest, or into Asylum’s chat to make an prickly correction about CIG’s use of the word “sale.”

Foundry Devs comment that they watch the watch the streamers to get a sense of things that they need to improve.

All of these signals suggest that these shows matter, despite attracting audiences of rarely over 300 and often around 100. To the extent that positive conversations about the game are being had outside CIG’s controlled outposts (Spectrum, MMORPG forums, Test Squadron’s forums), they usually are happening on the SC streaming shows. (The subreddit, once no safe haven for criticism, is now regularly a hotbed of them.)

So let’s talk about the Streamers, because interesting things are afoot lately that some may have missed.

”HERCULES!”

Streamers are still working through the troubling implications of the Hercules / Warbonds surprise. Right after Roberts was talking about earning back trust, CIG opted to lose even more in a manner that has left some shaken and disturbed.

That Montoya himself was pre-emptively anticipating another Robertsian betrayal and pitching subscriptions as cool and good seems pretty weird at first. And yet it’s not, because after the Hercules debacle he voiced his support of old money credit devaluation and offered his endorsement of perkified rewards for Warbonds buyers.

“Free tanks if you spend cash? No problem! It helps CIG to cram down the purchasing power of your credits because it might get you spending more cash now! Or reward new backers that we should welcome because they’re protecting CIG from financial trouble!”

CIG needs the money, he reports happily (and Montoya needs CIG to be successful for Test Squadron to be successful), so why should anyone care?

Yet the obvious question can’t help but be asked? Why do they need money so badly?

The question is being asked constantly and has two answers: “CIG is getting greedy” or “CIG is getting desperate.” Though the vast majority of backers are not playing, engaged, or even paying attention, those paying closest attention have been forced to confront this dilemma by the Hercules sale and choose between corruption or incompetence.

It seemed earlier in the year like the biggest matter Streamers needed to worry about was the slowly moving Crytek lawsuit. But after the Hercules rollout, we’re in Bizarroworld. Everyone who might’ve formerly been walking generally in the same direction are now scattering off in unpredictable ones.

Allow me to point out just how unmoored the old narratives have become in the last two weeks:

  • Relay is calling SC “Pay 2 Win”, supporting refund rights, and thrust improbably to the front lines of a lot of SC reddit chatter...
  • Montoya is calling for subscription fees and getting mostly upvoted for endorsing breaking one of the last Kickstarter promises as yet unbroken...
  • Matt Sherman is popping in to Redacted chat clarifying that CIG doesn’t WANT to make money they just NEED to maintain sufficient revenues...
  • BadNewsBaron is chiding CIG for drifting further and further away from their early promises and not treating the ones who got them this far like they matter...
  • AstroPub’s show is raging about $35 per item ship fees and the new policy of shipping every item separately — order 13 shirts, pay $35 different shipping fees... (Which sounds impossible to believe, and yet...)
  • Twerk wants people to STOP TALKING ABOUT LTI AND CIG’S FINANCES because people should talk about the GAME not the SHIPS...
  • MoistNoodle is similarly unnerved and wants this discussion to end...NOW.
  • Saurus, who just got a $5000 PC, is drawing new lines in the sand and saying if they keep selling ships after launch he’d be pissed and be thinking refunds...
  • DaGaimez is having Bootcha on his show and touching on topics rarely discussed outside of Heretic sanctuaries like SA...
  • TheFew on The SpaceBro Show (who owns every ship) joins HCVertigo on Asylum and others in talking about Market Saturation...
  • Mitauchi is sanguine about the future yet acknowledges that CIG has to get there...
  • LOTS of streamers are weirded out by CitCon ticket price increases, the new premium option, and unsold seating...
  • and so on.

I’m leaving people out here but everywhere that frequent SC discussions take place, people sense things have gone awry. Those making the least sense are pretending nothing has changed and look like actual Shills or CIG Sockpuppets by doing so.

As Asylum’s LittleBitOfMadness rightfully noted, CIG had to have known this would create divisions — they had to have known — but they chose to do it anyway.

Is cash scarcity forcing desperate measures? Or is the “price of the brick going up”? The former seems frightening, the latter disheartening, and neither gives players cause for hope.

No one has sufficient inputs to construct an encouraging explanation. Everyone has different and mutually exclusive opinions about the way forward, and not just with respect to Warbonds:


On and on the arguments go. People who have long raved about the brilliance of CIG’s Marketing ignore their total failure to send coherent customer messaging that would prevent such divisions from ever taking root and flowering foul.

ThIs is their harvest after years of schizoid marketing by incompetent opportunists. There is no way to resolve all the contradictory narratives, promises, and “visions”. CIG has strong disincentives from even attempting to, for if they do they will only Balkanize their divided player base even further.

The leadership shrinks from the challenge to lead and all can see it. Chris, Sandi, Erin all have the power to resolve and clarify but they lack the will because clarity and decisiveness will only harm fundraising and hasten refunding attempts.

Even though Chris Roberts enjoys autocratic power over the enterprise, he is not free to truly lead it. He has enslaved himself and his company to the Fundraising and can not defy what it demands of him. This has been the case for years, yet was masked when income exceeded expense. That it no longer seems to has long been a subject of thread discussion, yet it was always rejected by the faithful. The very possibility was laughable, unthinkable.

The change in the Streamer discourse of late suggests it has finally become thinkable. And it’s probably no surprise that now that they’re actually thinking about, nobody’s actually laughing about it.

Does this guy spend spend hours and hours watching every SC streamer just so that he can report back on them? He keeps posting increasingly bitcoin pumper-esque screeds because the other posters are telling him that his writing is "narrator quality".

Tinfoil Papercut
Jul 27, 2016

by Athanatos

Mukip posted:

Does this guy spend spend hours and hours watching every SC streamer just so that he can report back on them? He keeps posting increasingly bitcoin pumper-esque screeds because the other posters are telling him that his writing is "narrator quality".

Yes, and I'm glad of it.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Nothing weird about watching hours of streamers playing a game you dislike and analyzing them then posting a dissertation on it to a subforum barely 50 people read.

Nope, that guy doesn't have any issues at all.

puking pentagrams
May 6, 2017

“This in itself is telling.” lmao

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011

by Reene
"This year, I’ve made a habit of monitoring them more closely than before"

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I'm honestly sad that the whole SC drama will just putter out over a long period of time.

I was hoping for something more interesting.

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

precision posted:

but it was never 100% confirmed that was her, was it?

Goons did an in-depth analysis of her cleavage and body marks but the extensive math and screenshots were inconclusive.

I used to defend the Star Citizen thread but it needs to be shot in the head out back behind the barn until something actually happens. Derek Smart should never have been encouraged, there doesn't need to be a 24/7/365 running commentary and it's only a matter of time until goons break down and start threatening to harm people, which has happened numerous times.

There is a reason every mock thread gets closed. You can't make fun of Ctrl Alt Delete without goons driving to Tim Buckley's house.

Eararaldor
Jul 30, 2007
Fanboys, ruining gaming since the 1980's

VictorianQueerLit posted:

There is a reason every mock thread gets closed. You can't make fun of Ctrl Alt Delete without goons driving to Tim Buckley's house.

Wait a second... Did this actually happen?

I guess the answer does’nt matter, if actually questioning it.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Eararaldor posted:

Wait a second... Did this actually happen?

What does your heart tell you.

There was an Australian goon who somehow had way too much info on Buckley too, down to the layout of his house and poo poo.

the chief v2
Apr 15, 2010
So does this game exist yet and are they still making like $1m/week?

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

Eararaldor posted:

Wait a second... Did this actually happen?

I guess the answer does’nt matter, if actually questioning it.

Webdog drove to his house and posted pictures of it to try and impress the mock thread. He also had the giant in-depth 5,000 word breakdowns about a webcomic leading up to that.

When so much attention is focused on one subject some broken brained goons just can't help but lose themselves.

With Doobie, goons started trying to touch the poo poo and contact him until Fetus Tree managed to get in touch with him and become his representative to try and get attention from the whole thing.

With the Webcomic mock thread goons started digging into every detail of every authors entire life.

It's a similar concept to the ridiculous stalking of Chris Chan that caused the original threads discovering him to be gassed and people to be banned because they decided that (Internet Thing) was now their entire life.

VictorianQueerLit fucked around with this message at 16:06 on May 21, 2018

Mukip
Jan 27, 2011

by Reene
That happens because they receive or see others receiving positive reinforcement for engaging in that behaviour on a smaller scale and it escalates over time. People who cross the lines get called creeps, but those who manage to just about stay on the right side of the line are thread superstars for posting "content", even when there's only a faint line separating the two. That's what's happening with G0RF right now, where he's being congratulated on every 10,000 word ~*deep analysis*~ he posts instead of being told to shut the gently caress up and go outside.

Lawrence Gilchrist
Mar 31, 2010

I haven't read this thread since spring 2016 what's new. Last time I logged into star citizen to do the boring dogfight and racing minigames was around that time as well. Is anyone in the world left to buy my alpha account complete with exclusive virtual non interactive hangar shop towel + mount

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


Even lovely people who deserve to be mocked, shunned and ridiculed do not deserve to be harassed, stalked or threatened.

I love mock threads, they tend to bring out some real good poo poo like Goku pants and Loss edits. I hate people who touch the poop and ruin the fun.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

The Skeleton King posted:

I love mock threads, they tend to bring out some real good poo poo like Goku pants and Loss edits. I hate people who touch the poop and ruin the fun.

:same: but I don't think that's nearly as feasible now as it was ten years ago and even ten years ago those threads ended up getting shut down because some idiot goon is never able to stop themselves from becoming the new content

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


I recently watched an episode of Black Mirror where some super-autist trapped clones of his coworkers inside a VR game that was pretty much just the matrix but for Star Trek nerds.

The whole time i was laughing because it was literally what Star Citizen claims its going to be. Complete with tiny minute details that no sane person could ever care about.

At the end the mega-autist fails to disconnect his brain from the game before an update breaks all his mod files and he dies IRL.

Meanwhile the digital clones of his coworkers escape onto a public server and try to communicate with a normal player and the player immediately trash talks them and tells them to go gently caress themselves.

Eararaldor
Jul 30, 2007
Fanboys, ruining gaming since the 1980's

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Webdog drove to his house

Holy poo poo, have not read that thread in years but Webdog was the only poster I was thinking that would do that.

I still remember his massive effort posts, must have stopped reading before he went overboard.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
hows the crytek lawsuit going

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the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

steinrokkan posted:

hows the crytek lawsuit going

*excitedly posts 25,000 words showing a fundamental misunderstanding of how the legal system and reality itself works*

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