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PT6A posted:But in terms of AC vent direction, why have it controlled by anything on the dash? In every car I've ever seen, you just sort of... grab them and move the things that direct air to wherever you want them. Surely having those things controlled by some kind of computer system adds unnecessary expense, and for no benefit.
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T.C. posted:Wait... What receipts does she think will prove that no antiunion behavior is happening? I think she means that she has receipts to prove she visited the factories? I still love the idea that she could visit a factory and determine if there were anti union activities going on. I guess as long as she didn't see people getting shot by Pinkertons she can conclude no anti-union activity occurs? Even if she actually interviewed a bunch of workers, what worker contemplating unionizing would tell their anti-employee boss' girlfriend about any of it?
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May 22, 2018 15:35
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Cicero posted:They're both bad because nothing should ever change. They actually both are kind of bad, at least when taken in a vacuum. Creating a single higher paying job at the expense of a lot of lower paying (and presumably lower skill and more accessible) jobs is potentially pretty bad for the economy, at least over the short term. That's especially true if you're automating things in a way that disproportionately affects certain regions because a particular industry is centered there.
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Jose Valasquez posted:Most of them? If you can flow chart it you can probably automate it at some point, at some cost (which might be prohibitive).
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May 22, 2018 16:40
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There are actually three government agencies that could really benefit from AI help when I think about it. Immigration, the IRS and Social Security.
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May 22, 2018 16:44
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Paradoxish posted:They actually both are kind of bad, at least when taken in a vacuum. Creating a single higher paying job at the expense of a lot of lower paying (and presumably lower skill and more accessible) jobs is potentially pretty bad for the economy, at least over the short term. That's especially true if you're automating things in a way that disproportionately affects certain regions because a particular industry is centered there. With Basic Income, you can innovate all you want. Basically the Robots are paying people, when you drill down on this.
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May 22, 2018 16:47
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T.C. posted:Wait... What receipts does she think will prove that no antiunion behavior is happening? This is a classic anti-union trick where they ignore all the actual evidence of anti-union behavior and instead focus completely on “did the employer physically restrain employees from engaging in unionizing.”
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Futuresight posted:It's good to know you trust capitalism to deliver worker pay commensurate to how that work is valued by society. Society doesn't value work. That is the point. Not really sure how you came up with your bizarre strawman argument.
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I think that the Tesla braking review is going to have consequences beyond people thinking "safety first". Sports cars are always advertised whipping around hairpin turns in the mountains. If a car is known to have unreliable brakes, that fantasy is stone dead.
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May 22, 2018 17:55
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Raldikuk posted:I still love the idea that she could visit a factory and determine if there were anti union activities going on. Obviously never left the house. Stalling on Twitter is real easy since you can just wait 10 minutes until the public loses interest.
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https://twitter.com/matt_cagle/status/998932058914328576?s=21 https://twitter.com/matt_cagle/status/998932063209304064?s=21 https://twitter.com/matt_cagle/status/998932066287931392?s=21 Just lol if you're voluntarily bugging your house with an Amazon Echo or Spot (the bedside alarm clock with a camera in it) or the Look (the camera that watches you get dressed to "catalogue your wardrobe") or the Cloud Cam (that lets Amazon open your front door) on top of this poo poo
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May 22, 2018 18:27
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I think that the Tesla braking review is going to have consequences beyond people thinking "safety first". Sports cars are always advertised whipping around hairpin turns in the mountains. If a car is known to have unreliable brakes, that fantasy is stone dead. Well that's pretty much an inevitable application of the technology. Facial recognition is a very basic feature now and even if they didn't have Rekognition, anyone could just run something similar themselves on EC2. The real question is whether law enforcement should be using this in the first place, and as much as I don't like it, I think you'll have a hard time arguing that they should not. It's being tested in the UK now too and although the headlines recently tried to make it sound as bad as possible (e.g.), it's probably an extremely useful tool overall
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I think that the Tesla braking review is going to have consequences beyond people thinking "safety first". Sports cars are always advertised whipping around hairpin turns in the mountains. If a car is known to have unreliable brakes, that fantasy is stone dead. Maybe but Tesla investors are more willing than most to overlook serious problems. It'll likely be a long slow hike into disillusionment as financial reality sets.
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May 22, 2018 18:45
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LAPD considers every single person in LA a suspect at all times. This is their current justification for the way they handle ALPR data. So remember that when considering how US police use mass surveillance and pinky promise they'll only use it on the baddies.
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May 22, 2018 18:47
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Did we talk about how Elongated Muskrat admitted Tesla would go bankrupt if they tried selling the Model 3 at the base price: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998400110156550144
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May 22, 2018 19:25
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mobby_6kl posted:I doubt it, it's probably just an ABS issue that happens under some specific circumstances, otherwise it would've been noticed before. That's not good obviously, but it's not the first time this happens. Yeah I guess it's too much to ask for tech companies to have the bare minimum of ethical awareness required to avoid eagerly handing over sophisticated surveillance technology to authoritarian organizations who will certainly abuse it. You don't actually believe this stuff is used solely to track criminals and terrorists, do you?
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May 22, 2018 19:42
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Trabisnikof posted:Did we talk about how Elongated Muskrat admitted Tesla would go bankrupt if they tried selling the Model 3 at the base price:  Love it when he magnanimously deigns to share details about how production is done. mobby_6kl posted:I doubt it, it's probably just an ABS issue that happens under some specific circumstances, otherwise it would've been noticed before. That's not good obviously, but it's not the first time this happens. "OTA updates will save us!!" doesn't account for "the hardware we shipped is fundamentally underspecced."
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May 22, 2018 19:47
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No no, it is the unions that pit management against the workers. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/998987396870950912
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JawnV6 posted:"OTA updates will save us!!" doesn't account for "the hardware we shipped is fundamentally underspecced." Remember when someone reported a whole bunch of S's were getting surreptitiously recalled to repair suspension ball joints that failed? I bet all tech bros were like BUT THIS HAPPENS TO ALL CARS
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You guys know Grimes' mom is on twitter right? She's a prominent social activist in Vancouver, Canada. https://twitter.com/Garossino?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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mobby_6kl posted:I doubt it, it's probably just an ABS issue that happens under some specific circumstances, otherwise it would've been noticed before. That's not good obviously, but it's not the first time this happens. Why would we assume this? From the report it is pretty clear that there are times that it can brake within a reasonable distance, but once you average them out it is terrible. What is more likely is Tesla underspecced poo poo, did a bunch of braking tests and picked the best number. Even if it were an ABS issue, it isn't a fluke "under some specific circumstances" as the report details. It simply has lovely braking distance. If Tesla actually put the car through the ringer to test it and it was a software issue, it should have never been released. Why should we give Tesla the benefit of the doubt when their response to comment was that they probably tested wrong and also OTA updates give them an edge for fixing such issues? duz posted:No no, it is the unions that pit management against the workers. If he hates managing so much why doesn't he retire? Surely has has enough liquid capital to live comfortably for the rest of his life. And hell, he can even work on the floor I bet if he wanted (he doesn't). I would also love to see the UAW contracts that stipulate that workers cannot have stock options.
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Remember when Top Gear flogged the Tesla and Elon Musk threatened to sue (or possibly did sue?) them, and everyone said "oh lol, Jeremy Clarkson is just a cantankerous English racist*, the Tesla is probably a fine car!" Maybe they were onto something, and pushing a car to its limits helps to find its weaknesses more than simply evaluating it through normal driving * true, but beside the point
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PT6A posted:Remember when Top Gear flogged the Tesla and Elon Musk threatened to sue (or possibly did sue?) them, and everyone said "oh lol, Jeremy Clarkson is just a cantankerous English racist*, the Tesla is probably a fine car!" Maybe they were onto something, and pushing a car to its limits helps to find its weaknesses more than simply evaluating it through normal driving I mean, they also "tested" the Prius by driving it as fast as it could go around a track and following at the same speed with a BMW M3, and then showing that the M3 got better MPG. Which is probably true, for that case, but utterly irrelevant in any real-world driving situation. And in the "Juicero sounds like such a great idea, let's steal the name" category, the TasteTro: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tastetro-spice-system-vegan#/ With, yes, RFID secured spice bottles.
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Trabisnikof posted:Did we talk about how Elongated Muskrat admitted Tesla would go bankrupt if they tried selling the Model 3 at the base price:
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SardonicTyrant posted:I get the feeling that the base Model 3 has been a lie all along, only meant to garner good publicity and vc capital. I really wish people would stop acting like everything is venture capital. Tesla hasn't received venture capital in nearly 9 years, because it went public about that long ago.
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Yeah Tesla doesn't get VC money anymore they get government subsidies, even bigger money than VC.
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T.C. posted:Wait... What receipts does she think will prove that no antiunion behavior is happening? There actually is a union, and Grimes is its leader.
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T.C. posted:Wait... What receipts does she think will prove that no antiunion behavior is happening?
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SardonicTyrant posted:I get the feeling that the base Model 3 has been a lie all along, only meant to garner good publicity and vc capital. It probably isn't a lie and Musk is being pretty honest in his tweet there. They need to sell the fully loaded expensive version to pay for the tooling and learning curve and if they can actually reach the production rate they've said then they can start doing the lower end models. If there is a lie it is that they'll actually ever reach those production levels. With the money they've had access to they should have been able to but it turns out Musk is bad at what he hates doing.
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Raldikuk posted:It probably isn't a lie and Musk is being pretty honest in his tweet there. They need to sell the fully loaded expensive version to pay for the tooling and learning curve and if they can actually reach the production rate they've said then they can start doing the lower end models. Yeah the lie was that’d you be able to get the Model 3 at the base price and also get the federal tax rebate: “Back when the Model 3 was introduced” posted:Tonight, Elon Musk unveils the Model 3, Tesla Motors' long-awaited, affordable sedan. Since the rebate phases out based on number of cars sold, they’ve known for a long while they’d only be willing to sell the base price model after the rebate ends.
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https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/999041312056856577 Link in case the tweet is gone for some reason
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Raldikuk posted:If he hates managing so much why doesn't he retire? Surely has has enough liquid capital to live comfortably for the rest of his life. And hell, he can even work on the floor I bet if he wanted (he doesn't). I would also love to see the UAW contracts that stipulate that workers cannot have stock options. The fun part about his whining is the implication that people care about the act of managing and not, you know, the fact that supervisory positions are generally compensated way better while also being physically less demanding and far more flexible. It's almost as if that's why the primary conflicts between labor and management are over benefits, pay, and hours and not "someday we get to be managers!"
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pospysyl posted:There actually is a union, and Grimes is its leader.
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Bad blood the book about theranos is good. How anyone thought that Holmes was actually smart and worthwhile is amazing when you start reading on it.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/999041312056856577 Dude is spot-on with his observations; guess the truth hurts.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/999041312056856577 I don't do church or religion, but if this dude moved here I'd considee going to church.
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nm posted:I don't do church or religion, but if this dude moved here I'd considee going to church. you can probably find a church that preaches the evil of liberals and social justice near where you are.
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Paradoxish posted:not "someday we get to be managers!" Also the implication that management and line work are interchangeable roles that people can flex back and forth seamlessly into, much like how that
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:you can probably find a church that preaches the evil of liberals and social justice near where you are. Yeah, that definitely sounds like this guy quote:Gregory Stevens confirmed on Monday that he had stepped down from the First Baptist church of Palo Alto, an LGBT-inclusive congregation, after his personal tweets calling out the contradictions of wealthy liberals in northern California surfaced at a recent council hearing. quote:“I believe Palo Alto is a ghetto of wealth, power, and elitist liberalism by proxy, meaning that many community members claim to want to fight for social justice issues, but that desire doesn’t translate into action,” Stevens wrote, lamenting that it was impossible for low-income people to live in the city. “The insane wealth inequality and the ignorance toward actual social justice is absolutely terrifying.” quote:Stevens said he was originally drawn to the church because of its “progressive Baptist theology”, noting historical Baptist figures such as Nat Turner, who led a slave revolt, and Martin Luther King Jr. He said he was also inspired by the local pastor, a gay man who had fought for years to be ordained.
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