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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:The CGI dinosaur is Tina, from The Amazing World of Gumball. Gumball is still kind of funny to use as an example because... every traditional 2D character in Gumball is pretty much done in the CN house style. like, honestly, I'm really not even bothered by this, I find the style to be aesthetically pleasing as hell 9 times out of 10, it's just kind of funny to me that people are trying to argue that every CN show looks totally different from all the rest when... they pretty bluntly have a house style. and with CN there's even a pretty clear reason for it- except for AT and Regular Show (which just kind of used their creators' styles) and Gumball (which still has an animation staff shared with a lot of the other CN shows even if the creator is fresh blood), pretty much every show they make in-house is run by someone from AT, someone from RS, or someone from a show that someone from AT or RS started (like how Ian Jones-Quartey is a SU veteran) and that style just kind of bled over into their own stuff. like, you can see Rebecca Sugar's own style in SU pretty clearly but it's also noticeably modified to fit the house style better compared to, like, her comics. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 22, 2018 |
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Actually Gumball shares very little staff with other CN shows and isn't even made by CN Studios: It's made by Great Marlborough Productions in the UK
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May 22, 2018 21:24
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I love dunking on nerds and they really aren't doing it well. trying to argue with them in good faith is a fool's errand
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:Actually Gumball shares very little staff with other CN shows and isn't even made by CN Studios: It's made by Great Marlborough Productions in the UK Huh, a quick wiki check told me it was a CN Studios thing and I remembered hearing a lot of AT/RS vets were animating on it, but fair enough.
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May 22, 2018 21:31
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Wow, it is amazing how much like David Boreanaz that looks.
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May 22, 2018 21:32
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It's funny that Gumball is made in the UK because it feels very American. If I didn't know ahead of time I'd have never guessed it was a UK show
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Macaluso posted:It's funny that Gumball is made in the UK because it feels very American. If I didn't know ahead of time I'd have never guessed it was a UK show I've mentioned this before somewhere in the forums (maybe even this thread!) but it's fun to watch Gumball and try to spot the tells. Things like the "WC" on the bathroom, calling classes "lessons", the voice actors occasionally pronouncing words slightly differently than you'd expect.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Huh, a quick wiki check told me it was a CN Studios thing and I remembered hearing a lot of AT/RS vets were animating on it, but fair enough. it's got the CN Development Studios Europe branding. A few CN Studios guys did help out on the first season, but that's it.
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lelandjs posted:Man, I have wanted a back-in-high-school goofy animated Buffy show for ages and these character designs are pretty freaking awesome. One nearly happened! Buffy: The Animated Series had a short pilot made, and scripts were written before it was fell apart. Fox Kids was going to show it, but then Fox Kids dissolved and no other channel wanted to buy it, as it was deemed too adult. It was going to be set during Season 1 (episode 7.5, so after the Angel reveal) so they could have the Master as the overarching villain. They had virtually all the actors aboard except for SMG, who they were going to replace with the soundalike actress who did the video games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnUvZP7-5LM
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The_Doctor posted:One nearly happened! Buffy: The Animated Series had a short pilot made, and scripts were written before it was fell apart. Fox Kids was going to show it, but then Fox Kids dissolved and no other channel wanted to buy it, as it was deemed too adult. Yeah, I know, and it haunts me. They did an issue of a comic book that took place in that universe and it was pretty good.
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I’m loving all these animation takes. https://twitter.com/angusfordays/status/998844541615689729
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We need a super-deformed Beast Wars parody.
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Dr Christmas posted:Re: "CalArts style," I first heard it used on, ugh, John Kricfalusi's blog in the mid aughts, and he definitely didn't use it the way people today are using it today. I can't remember exactly what he was referring to, probably stuff that aped the Disney Renaissance. Was it shorthand for “work by people who avoided his attempts to seduce them when they were fifteen?
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Shitenshi posted:We need a super-deformed Beast Wars parody. Only if it's called "Beasties". Otherwise no deal. 
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https://twitter.com/Calavera145/status/998636523317792769 lol no dude, people can just think the new show looks ugly as sin.
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Yardbomb posted:https://twitter.com/Calavera145/status/998636523317792769 It looks good though
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If you want Ugly from WB Animation you need look no further than Loonatix I can come up with so many aesthetically repellent shows from the last 30-40 years of animation don't even try me
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i get what the tweeter is saying and all, but I feel like denying that a ton of cartoons look samey and descend from a common art style is being willfully obtuse Though I agree that most nerds are just using it as an excuse to complain about "tumblrization" and whatever other dumb bullshit
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Low Desert Punk posted:why are animators so poo poo at twitter I think they're pretty good for the most part. All the mockups of the promotional image with different shows and other gags like that Alex Hirsch tweet from earlier are pretty great. I mean what's being "good at" twitter, just having waves of idiots who don't actually work in the field tell you how to do your job and responding with "gee I guess you're right"? Low Desert Punk posted:i get what the tweeter is saying and all, but I feel like denying that a ton of cartoons look samey and descend from a common art style is being willfully obtuse Cartoons only look samey if you cherry pick examples or deliberately try to draw them the same like that one picture that takes Dipper Pines, Gumball, and Steven Universe and deliberately draws them off-model so they look similar, also https://twitter.com/ElfGrove/status/997616125356605440 https://twitter.com/ElfGrove/status/997616129173372928 https://twitter.com/ElfGrove/status/997618332407754752
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I think a point can be made that most of the variation and different styles are seen outside Cartoon Network.
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I don't see much similarity inside CN aside from debatably Steven Universe and Adventure Time, which makes sense since Sugar worked on AT before SU was greenlit.
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TwoPair posted:I don't see much similarity inside CN aside from debatably Steven Universe and Adventure Time, which makes sense since Sugar worked on AT before SU was greenlit. Over the Garden Wall, Clarence, and OK KO were all also made by AT people and share stylistic similarities. TTG and Gumball also have pretty similar styles to those by more-or-less coincidence.
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Honestly TTG's style is more of that thick line Flash style (at most it feels like a hybrid of that and the "Calarts" style, like 90% the former and 10% the latter)
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Gumball’s main characters also used to look a bit different too. Bigger oval eyes and smaller mouths. The character designs changed because they needed to simplify their animation (Cartoon Network Europe cut their budget). That’s also why the CGI characters have been appearing less—Tina barely shows up at all these days, and Mrs. Simian got a simplified redesign.
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Nodosaur posted:I think a point can be made that most of the variation and different styles are seen outside Cartoon Network. Yeah I feel like it's kind of dodging the point when people go "CN shows are all starting to look the same? But look at all these shows not on CN!"
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Yardbomb posted:Yeah I feel like it's kind of dodging the point when people go "CN shows are all starting to look the same? But look at all these shows not on CN!" That's a nuclear burn on Justice League Action...
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Yardbomb posted:Yeah I feel like it's kind of dodging the point when people go "CN shows are all starting to look the same? But look at all these shows not on CN!" Because the discussion on the wider internet isn't limited to CN shows. Plenty of people lump like, Gravity Falls and Star Vs into the "calarts style" meme.
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Pakled posted:Plenty of people lump like, Gravity Falls and Star Vs into the "calarts style" meme. I mean sure but it's been predominantly about CN the most times I've seen it. 
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Ok regardless what you think of the recent stuff this is kind of hosed up that any sort of criticism can legit get you blacklisted https://imgur.com/a/TujncDf I wonder how many black lesbian and trans girl artists will never get a job in the industry because they called Steven Universe racist one too many times.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Ok regardless what you think of the recent stuff this is kind of hosed up that any sort of criticism can legit get you blacklisted Quest For Glory II has gone over this before in some of his posts but yeah this is literally how the animation industry (and any other closed circle business that mostly relies on word-of-mouth for opportunities) has always worked. Never make a joke about Jimmy Neutron ever because it's somebody's baby out there somewhere. mycot fucked around with this message at 05:23 on May 23, 2018 |
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Ok regardless what you think of the recent stuff this is kind of hosed up that any sort of criticism can legit get you blacklisted I mean... how is this any different from any other job? If you post poo poo that would make the company you want to work at look bad, on a public forum where anyone can see it, you're shooting yourself in the foot.
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The fact that being a dumb idiot on the internet can come back to haunt you is a lesson that people have to re-learn again and again. Professionalism's a thing for a reason. Although it is kinda funny for people to act like people in the industry trying to be nice to each other is a conspiracy.
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Macaluso posted:I mean... how is this any different from any other job? If you post poo poo that would make the company you want to work at look bad, on a public forum where anyone can see it, you're shooting yourself in the foot. I think animation is fundamentally different from most jobs in that it can be thought of as an art, rather than as just a product. Art has to be open to interpretation and criticism. If people who are honest and outspoken about the artistry of the industry are barred from or pushed out of the business, then you're draining enthusiasm and ideas out of the industry. If everyone on the creative side of things is solely thinking of animation as a business rather than an art, you get stuff like Johnny Test.
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I don't see how that's "horrifying" at all. The one story linked there is kinda hosed up, where one guy had the same name as some guy nobody liked, but the rest seems perfectly reasonable. I mean that first post seems to boil down to, "isn't it hosed up that there's no infighting in the industry?" to which I'm like... duh? Like wow, you mean shittalking TV shows while trying to get a job in TV might be a bad idea? Especially in animation, where you might frequently change shows or studios? Color me surprised.  At the end of the day, showbiz is just another job, and burning bridges to potential other jobs is a bad idea, no matter how hot that take or how witty that zinger is that you feel like you've got to put out there. Pakled posted:I think animation is fundamentally different from most jobs in that it can be thought of as an art, rather than as just a product. Art has to be open to interpretation and criticism. If people who are honest and outspoken about the artistry of the industry are barred from or pushed out of the business, then you're draining enthusiasm and ideas out of the industry. If everyone on the creative side of things is solely thinking of animation as a business rather than an art, you get stuff like Johnny Test. There's a difference between honest and outspoken and being an rear end in a top hat. Those posts are, I think, pretty clear about the difference. Yeah, providing critiques is fine, but "dunking on" some show that you feel is beneath you is not a good way to get seen in the industry, or it is a good way to be seen... as an rear end in a top hat no one wants to work with. Much like most other careers, young up-and-comers probably won't end up with their dream job immediately after graduating from TwoPair fucked around with this message at 06:08 on May 23, 2018 |
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Losing out on jobs because I earned the ire of the people who once worked on Butt-Ugly Martians by saying that it sucked taint seems pretty loving moronic from any point of view, and punishing honesty.
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Fellbat posted:Losing out on jobs because I earned the ire of the people who once worked on Butt-Ugly Martians by saying that it sucked taint seems pretty loving moronic from any point of view, and punishing honesty. Most jobs don't want you to be honest
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Macaluso posted:Most jobs don't want you to be honest Fair, but I'm imagining having to grit my teeth and smile when somebody tells me they worked on Super Duper Sumos. That's comedy in itself.
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Macaluso posted:Most jobs don't want you to be honest And it's stupid and lovely, hence the "This is hosed up" stuff. The original point brought up was "Great, so how many POC and LGBT people will get shut out because they had strong critiques of this or that" even. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 06:25 on May 23, 2018 |
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TwoPair posted:I think they're pretty good for the most part. All the mockups of the promotional image with different shows and other gags like that Alex Hirsch tweet from earlier are pretty great. I mean what's being "good at" twitter, just having waves of idiots who don't actually work in the field tell you how to do your job and responding with "gee I guess you're right"? The only way to be good at Twitter is to not use Twitter
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Fellbat posted:Fair, but I'm imagining having to grit my teeth and smile when somebody tells me they worked on Super Duper Sumos. That's comedy in itself. But keep in mind, even bad shows represent a tremendous amount of blood and sweat on behalf of the artists working on it. And I'm sure in private, animators are more than frank with each other about the shows they work on-but that's in private, and that's with inside working knowledge of the industry and of the circumstances animators work under. By contrast, when some idiot on twitter goes out in public saying 'gently caress this show it looks like hot garbage,' or 'gently caress this show for not having more representation', that's a direct insult to a lot of people who don't have any control over those circumstances-so is it any surprise that a lot of animators are going to take those insults personally, even when they're not the ones working on those shows?
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