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TV Zombie posted:So what does everyone think? A good ending to the series? A bad ending? Totally worth it for that scene in the garage alone.
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TV Zombie posted:So what does everyone think? A good ending to the series? A bad ending? A good ending. The garage scene alone as it was the culmination of everything. I think everyone is a little too used to Breaking Bad style endings with guns blazing and everyone dying. The show ended in the most realistic way it could while still basically loving everyone up for life.
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May 31, 2018 05:03
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I still need time to process everything but my initial reaction: I loved the story even if I am a little annoyed so much was left unresolved. I might vote the writers are going to Hell for leaving Renee’s identity up in the air. It’s probably going into fan fiction territory, but I imagine Stan can use what he learned up the Jennings pulling the wool over his eyes to tell if Renee is a Russian plant.
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May 31, 2018 05:03
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How much is really left unresolved? We don't get to see the rest of Paige's life? Renee being ambiguous?
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May 31, 2018 05:05
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e: nm
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May 31, 2018 05:11
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phosdex posted:Laughing thinking about Phil's last line to his best friend just sowed doubt about his wife. Was it just me? Or was there kind of a twisted smirk on Philip’s face right after he said that to Stan..as if to say “Not only are you going to let me go to my car, but I’m gonna gently caress with you just a little more for the hell of it”.
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May 31, 2018 05:16
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That finale was kinda poo poo tbqh. The only good scene was the underground garage confrontation. I wasn't expecting a giant bloodbath or anything, but this was just  Considering how good the last few episodes were, this just kinda whimpered out.beanieson posted:lmao Stan is gonna drive up to Henry’s school to intercept them there, and they just never show up to get him. This would have been perfect. beanieson posted:So what’s was the moment the show runners are going to hell for This lame unsatisfying ending.
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May 31, 2018 05:18
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Henchman of Santa posted:How much is really left unresolved? We don't get to see the rest of Paige's life? Renee being ambiguous? They could go the Graphic Novel route like Jericho.
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May 31, 2018 05:24
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I'm not sure Philip and Liz's story really needed anything more. They've returned home, together. We can pull in the real world and say they succeeded in notifying the right people to make sure the nuclear arms summit went well. START, the episode title, was the name of the disarmament treaty the us and ussr signed. We're told Oleg will do a long prison sentence. Stan will doubt his wife, like he did Nina. Henry will just be Henry. Paige I guess is pretty open for possibilities.
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May 31, 2018 05:28
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I suppose it's farewell to the show and the thread. My final thought. As a father of 2, everything related to leaving a kid behind hurt, until I couldn't even contain myself when P & E were discussing the kids in Russia. I now know that I am not capable of making that decision, because I watched two people pretend to make that decision and it destroyed me.
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May 31, 2018 05:31
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That’s a great call “pretend” discusses getting the kids out, especially in light of Elizabeth’s dream/flashback with Gregory
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May 31, 2018 05:35
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I suppose it's farewell to the show and the thread. My final thought. As a father of 2, everything related to leaving a kid behind hurt, until I couldn't even contain myself when P & E were discussing the kids in Russia. I now know that I am not capable of making that decision, because I watched two people pretend to make that decision and it destroyed me. It's not like they can't call the kids from Russia and they could visit them in the future if they wanted to... Did you get the feeling that they just never communicate again?
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May 31, 2018 05:54
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That was a goddamn fantastic finale. The parking garage scene  My only quibble is with what ends up happening with Paige but I'd assume she could just throw her spy parents way under the bus.again, that parking garage scene, give Matthew Rhys and Noah Emmerich all the awards.
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May 31, 2018 06:06
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Very good finale. Really did not expect the way most characters ended up but it felt true to the series. Very heart wrenching. I have a pretty high tolerance for ambiguity in endings so I liked how the finale left so much open to your imagination. They could see their children again once the Cold War ends. Phillip could see his son and Martha again. Stan could choose to fully live in the lie of his ignorance of the Jennings and decide to just be with Renee too, no matter who she really is (she's totally a spy). Paige could plausibly live freely in the US without admitting anything if Stan is keeping quiet or she fesses up. Oleg could eventually be traded or get out and be seen as a hero for attempting to save Gorbachev, etc. Henry gonna be playing hockey though, that's confirmed. Anyway, a truly great show all in all. Excellent acting and writing. Always consistent except for Season 5, which was nearly pointless even if it did have good moments. Many scenes and difficult character decisions that will stick with me. It never looked liked a great show - always muted colours, not much dynamic directing (although I suppose that was a choice). I'll miss it! The main actors all deserve Emmys for this season but goddamn, Keri Russell had better win it. She was exceptional.
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May 31, 2018 06:42
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:That finale was kinda poo poo tbqh. The only good scene was the underground garage confrontation. I wasn't expecting a giant bloodbath or anything, but this was just It was because that's all it had to be. Phillip and Elizabeth are proven great spies, who were trained in last minute extraction. They continued to be good spies, and got out. It probably would've made less sense if there was some sort of fatal error and shoot out.
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May 31, 2018 06:50
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I like the anti-climax. Stan v. Philip? Climactic. Relationships, etc. Cover v. discovery? Anti-Climax. Security is a daily practice. A leaky faucet requiring constant maintenance. poo poo happened, they ran. ~Fin~ Perfect! fake: Uncle Stan & Henry 
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May 31, 2018 06:50
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Bye, you're a wife's a spy also please take care of my loser son, thanks so much!
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May 31, 2018 06:56
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gently caress, how am I supposed to sleep after that. It took about a half hour to sink in, but I loved it. Not at all what I expected, but it felt true to the show. I think the moment Stan decided to let them go was when they confirmed what Oleg was also telling him. (Or maybe Paige telling him Henry will need him.) And I loved the depth of that scene - simultaneously opening up to Stan with genuine honesty, while also playing him like a flute, lying, and telling him exactly what he needed to hear.
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May 31, 2018 06:58
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I was so sure Elizabeth was gonna get busted at Canadian border control. I could swear one of the pics the officer was looking at was a dead ringer for her disguise at the time.
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May 31, 2018 06:59
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mr. unhsib posted:I think the likeliest outcome is no deaths, just broken lives. Ugh, I wish I'd left the 2nd sentence out. Man, everyone got left in a bad place: The Jennings, Paige, Stan, Henry, Oleg, Oleg's Dad, Arkady... phosdex posted:I'm not sure Philip and Liz's story really needed anything more. They've returned home, together. We can pull in the real world and say they succeeded in notifying the right people to make sure the nuclear arms summit went well. START, the episode title, was the name of the disarmament treaty the us and ussr signed. I mean, there are a lot of threads that can be picked up. Philip can reconnect with his Russian son, or even Martha. Paige's future is an open book. Elizabeth is going to have to deal with the USSR collapsing soon, and may regret her actions to support Gorbachev. Though it may mean they can see the kids again. When the series started I remember thinking that more than anything I wanted to see Elizabeth experience the fall of communism. We didn't get that but I was still pretty satisfied with the ending. Never saw another show quite like it, and I don't think I ever will. Oh, and they played the Renee thing perfectly. A definitive reveal would have been pointless, but leaving her to ambiguously poison Stan's future was effective. Everyone's talking about the garage scene, and it was great, but the final scene is what will stick with me. mr. unhsib fucked around with this message at 07:03 on May 31, 2018 |
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May 31, 2018 07:00
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Wafflecopper posted:I was so sure Elizabeth was gonna get busted at Canadian border control. I could swear one of the pics the officer was looking at was a dead ringer for her disguise at the time. It was but the dude was an idiot. They lucked out.
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May 31, 2018 07:01
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Nichael posted:It was but the dude was an idiot. They lucked out. But yeah I was expecting them to maybe catch Paige. Did not expect her to voluntarily leave, though.
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May 31, 2018 07:10
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Matthew Rhys is going to lose the Emmy. To Mail Robot.
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May 31, 2018 07:11
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dwarf74 posted:If it had been the same officer looking at both of them, it would have been over. Yeah, I was expecting the border patrol to ask for her ID, and she'd just *look* guilty, flip out, and run.
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May 31, 2018 07:18
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wukkar posted:Matthew Rhys is going to lose the Emmy. Good, Mail Robot deserves it.
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May 31, 2018 07:20
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U2 was a lock but Brothers in Arms was a pretty deep cut (and Dire Straits was my favorite band in 1988!) I'm pretty happy with it. I was prepared for this to happen, I thought it was pretty likely they'd end without any big action scenes or deaths or any closure at all really. We got to see that Stan and Philip were really just two guys doing their jobs and they would have been friends no matter what. We got to see Liz and Phil come back together and survive, extremely ambiguously. But I have to think that Arkady being the one to pick them up suggests that Gorbachev got the memo that these two pretty much single-handedly outed a plot to depose him so they're probably going to have Oleg-level cushy jobs.
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May 31, 2018 07:21
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I would've loved to have seen an epilogue from 20 years later where Liz is a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or something and Phil is selling tuxedos and sports cars to rich teenagers at 2 in the morning somewhere in Moscow. And where Paige, now a seasoned veteran spook, is working some marks at a churro stand in Epcot Center.
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precision posted:U2 was a lock but Brothers in Arms was a pretty deep cut (and Dire Straits was my favorite band in 1988!) Yeah, I think the two of them will have a comfortable life in Moscow. Which is kind of hosed up when you consider that they're both serial killers, but 
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May 31, 2018 07:25
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Nichael posted:It was My counterpoint would be what happened with Martha. Phil and Liz did their job with her and got her out. The scene with her leaving in the plane could've been the last one we saw of her. The show could have left us wondering if she was actually taken to Russia or if the pilot just put a bullet in her head after landing in Cuba. But instead the writers showed us that she was living in Russia and got a kid. It didn't need to give us closure on what happened to her, but it did and it was much better for it.
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May 31, 2018 07:33
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I liked it. It wasn't an overly dramatic ending (except the reveal to stan) and it served well as an end to the show after 6 years. The only problem I had is the fact that Paige should have been bawling her eyes out from the moment they got into the car and drove past Stan all the way to the McDonalds, unable to say goodbye to Henry because she was crying.
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May 31, 2018 07:34
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howe_sam posted:Third best, loved how West Wing used it. This is the correct and factual answer. The split second the song started, I saw Bartlett put his hands in his pockets and Leo McGarry said "watch this..." HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 07:48 on May 31, 2018 |
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May 31, 2018 07:45
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So we dont know why Philip was getting fitted for a suit a week(2?) ago? Seems like a weird scene to add for no reason. Also I thought for sure Philip was gonna stay behind and do the "stay back a year to try and see Henry plan" after he saw the family in McDonalds.
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May 31, 2018 07:48
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The suit was retail therapy. He was feeling like poo poo so he bought some nice clothes and went line dancing.
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May 31, 2018 07:56
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My biggest takeaway from tonight is what a lovely FBI agent Stan is.
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May 31, 2018 07:57
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misdirectomy posted:My biggest takeaway from tonight is what a lovely FBI agent Stan is. Yeah, if I were in Stan's shoes in that garage, I'd have made the price for letting them go that either Phil or Liz stayed behind.
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May 31, 2018 08:06
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When Phillip was looking out the window of McDonald’s I briefly thought Elizabeth had driven off
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May 31, 2018 08:13
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Lol if that wasn't some contrived McDonald's product placement. That aside, loving drat good compact, succinct ending. As much as parts of me wanted some grandiose montage tracking the characters watching the collapse of the Soviet Union, solumn, subdued closure, or lack thereof, is a better sendoff given the overall driving force of the show. To hell with scenes with Keri Russell popping veins in pent up rage; that look of shock as the train is leaving the platform blows them out of the water. Side note: Although it was trite as hell and probably lost on half the audience, I loved the ending shot from Vorobevy Gory. If you haven't been, it's the de facto standard scenic touristy overlook of the Moscow skyline. Phillip and Elizabeth are standing at the point below/south of the river in this shot. The angle shown distorts the difference in elevation and distance between it and the riverbank/Luzhniki Stadium, but whatever, it's a beautiful place: 
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May 31, 2018 09:47
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I can't believe it turned out Philip and Elizabeth were the Americans all along.
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May 31, 2018 09:50
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:As long as none of the fuckers who wanted to see Elizabeth watch "communism crumbling" get their cookie I'm happy. I got one of the two things I wanted the most, I proclaim myself satisfied.
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That was perfect. Honestly. I just finished it and I don't have much to say r/n beyond it being p much everything I could have wanted, and more. Also esperterra posted:I hope I won't have to suffer thru Bono. I cursed myself 
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