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DuckKnight posted:Hey, I just finished up White March as well. Overall I liked the themes, but fuuuck that ending argument. I was able to argue #2 and #3 but #1 didn't even give me a rebuttal for any of the options. It was literally "I did this" followed by "No" which seems kind of lame to not even be able to defend any of your actions, even if it leads to failure. From what I got, the only way to get 1 if you want Aloth's "destroy the leaden key" ending is to not have joined the crucible knights, not have finished the animancy hearings (or got animancy banned), and freed the souls of the pargrumen dwarves
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marshmallow creep posted:Roparu are explicitly the "unskilled labor" and "first to starve" caste. They work when work is available, but what they earn goes to the Mataru first and if there is any left after trickles down to the middle caste, they all have to share what's left of that piece. The system is set up in a way that the Roparu only starve in the most extreme circumstances. It just didn't adapt to Nekataka being a huge city, and the Vailians and RDC buying/"acquiring" a lot of the good farmland. And the prince is easy to be convinced to let the Dawnstars feed the people in the Gullet, so I don't know where this supposed indifference to the Roparu plight comes from. Grimoire posted:Added to the pile of Huana bad: Whoa, those Indians were stupid enough to let the English and the Dutch etc. control their ports and build up fortresses in their territory. Indian leadership was obviously too dumb to live. Luckily, the East India Company was there to take up the white man's burden. Colonialism is great! 
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Agnosticnixie posted:From what I got, the only way to get 1 if you want Aloth's "destroy the leaden key" ending is to not have joined the crucible knights, not have finished the animancy hearings (or got animancy banned), and freed the souls of the pargrumen dwarves I did every wrong choice.  While I'm not bummed out that I didn't get "the good ending" not having any reaction makes it feel like your choices were incorrect, which feels weird in a series that wants to treat your actions as gray, rather than right or wrong. Even if you could still defend your actions, but never ultimately succeed on swaying their opinion, the illusion of being able to do so gives your actions more weight. As it was it made the ending feel really "gamey" as much as I hate to use that phrase.
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Jun 1, 2018 08:24
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It's not that your actions are wrong, it's that they are inconsistent with the position you are trying to argue. If you didn't do any of the required stuff then it appears that you do not believe some knowledge should remain forgotten and in that case why are you even trying to argue the point in the first place?
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Jun 1, 2018 08:28
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This, tempering is compromising with Ondra and Thaos and why would you even want to.
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not that your actions are wrong, it's that they are inconsistent with the position you are trying to argue. If you didn't do any of the required stuff then it appears that you do not believe some knowledge should remain forgotten and in that case why are you even trying to argue the point in the first place? To be fair when you have like all the argument in the other two categories, the eyeless do feel incredibly demanding with their "I'm not convinced yet" bullshit, but at the same time I admit not having the supposed golden ending be the most obvious option is actually kinda nice. I'm honestly not certain there's a single non bittersweet ending for the March
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SirSamVimes posted:I mean I'm pretty sure genocide is not on the agenda for the RDC Mmm, I'd say the RDC's longhouse shenanigans have some p. strong shades of "kill the Huana, save the Aumaua" going on. Exact historic parallels are pretty difficult to establish (which is good! you could see influences anywhere from Bonapartist France to Soviet collectivization to Imperial Japan in the RDC's escapades) but yeah I dunno that the RDC is interested in a vibrant syncretic Huanic-Rauataian culture so much as an active scouring of Huana practices and identity. The Tikawara chief is, incidentally, a p. fun take on how that might occur "voluntarily" due to just economic pressure. That man is going to turn his entire island into a non-union hotel chain the second he gets the opportunity.
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Jun 1, 2018 08:43
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Isn’t longhouses just how ruatai rolls? They aren’t being discriminatory with those.
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Jun 1, 2018 08:53
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En Garde Motherfuckers posted:Blackwood hull, at the ship supply shop in Neketaka. It's pretty expensive, like ~50,000cp iirc THAT'S the uberhull? gently caress! As I remember it had less health than the red dream, so I completely overlooked it. Then I tried with the red dream, got the results, swore at my computer, and did what i said under the spoiler tags.
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Caste systems are awful and oppressive. But if you think that any of the other factions aren't going to implement their own type of caste systems with an even larger underclass, you should probably go back and read some world history.Avalerion posted:Isn’t longhouses just how ruatai rolls? They aren’t being discriminatory with those. I got serious Pruitt–Igoe vibes from the longhouses. They felt like a housing project designed with foolish ideals prioritized, as opposed to the needs and desires of the residents. AfricanBootyShine fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jun 1, 2018 |
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Jun 1, 2018 09:02
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If we go by text the ending does straight up say they are better off, no?
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Jun 1, 2018 09:08
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Avalerion posted:Isn’t longhouses just how ruatai rolls? They aren’t being discriminatory with those. No you see it’s cultural genocide because when they built free homes for homeless Hanua, they didn’t make them in the Hanuan style and one person was totally upset about that. Or something.
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Jun 1, 2018 09:12
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This might make me a bad person but yep, I put more value on the lifes of the people, don’t care much for culture and tradition other than a historical curiosity.
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Jun 1, 2018 09:49
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Avalerion posted:This might make me a bad person but yep, I put more value on the lifes of the people, don’t care much for culture and tradition other than a historical curiosity. I’m pretty sure that by itself doesn’t make you a bad person, but keep listing reasons and we can probably settle on another as the culprit.
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not that your actions are wrong, it's that they are inconsistent with the position you are trying to argue. If you didn't do any of the required stuff then it appears that you do not believe some knowledge should remain forgotten and in that case why are you even trying to argue the point in the first place? It becomes frustrating because it's somewhat arbitrary which actions are referenced and the game then allows no nuance in those references - there's a big difference between moving on from past events with appropriate perspective and, say, orchestrating a massive conspiracy to cover up your empire's continuing hegemony over all reality.
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Jun 1, 2018 09:55
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Sayuka is full of Huana bitching about the longhouse, but more importantly, they're also realizing that the caste system is total bullshit, and has the only instance of a Roparu rising above his station and learning to be an artisan. That was enough to make my character a Sneering Imperialist, but it also helps that the RDC is the only non-libertarian anti-slavery faction. There is no part of Huana culture, as presented in the game, that is worth preserving. E: Why would you want to take the Bioware option RE: Abydon? I'm pretty sure either default option is a better choice. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Jun 1, 2018 |
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Jun 1, 2018 09:58
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I missed the longhouse controversy. Are we talking about your standard 'communal living' longhouse? In real life, apartment/house versus barracks would be a big deal. Is it the same thing here?
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Jun 1, 2018 09:59
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Restore my boy Abydon, the only god that gave a poo poo about people.
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Jun 1, 2018 10:05
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Torrannor posted:The system is set up in a way that the Roparu only starve in the most extreme circumstances. It just didn't adapt to Nekataka being a huge city, and the Vailians and RDC buying/"acquiring" a lot of the good farmland. Walk around the Serpent Crown or Periki's Overlook the money is there to take care of the Roparu the Queen and the Prince just don't care.
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In Sayuka, the local Huana huts were destroyed by Galawain's giant bears, and the RDC rolled up and helped them rebuild, but made them build a fortress, and put all the Huana in a Rauataian longhouse, rather than the traditional individual huts. Half the Huana are complaining that they were promised huts and that the longhouse is really cramped. But you've also got a Mataru who gets a room to himself but still bitches that he has to live next to all the smelly poors, while the Kuaru and Roparu quarters overlap. The Roparu are allocated way too small a share of the longhouse and the ones that don't blame the RDC are starting to realize that the caste system is total bullshit. You've also got a Kuaru teaching his Roparu neighbor how to weave baskets or something, which is a sharp contrast to the Tikawari questline.
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I went RDC but if I could do it all again I'd probably go VTC. The VTC leader is an odd fellow (I kept Castol in charge) but as long as you're willing to accept the fig leaf of "Castol was desperate for funds no matter where they came from" then Crookspur aside they're not 100% awful. RDC on the other hand is a-OK with telling their own mercenaries or own troops to murder civilians. Mostly I just went with them because I wanted to collect every boat. Disappointed that doesn't feature in the achievements. That's right Obsidian, I messed up your boat selection UI just to see if I could.
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axelord posted:Walk around the Serpent Crown or Periki's Overlook the money is there to take care of the Roparu the Queen and the Prince just don't care. So you think the Vailians are a socialist utopia where the VTC and the dukes don't exploit the masses in the name of capitalism?
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The RDC very explicitly and deliberately aim to eradicate all of the existing Huana culture and social norms and replace them with, in their view, a superior Rauataian civilization. If doing so efficiently means shooting some Huana leaders, oh well, they're just primitives dying for a good cause. They're the Queen Victoria to Alvari's Leopold II and Castol's, uh, Luís I? I'm not sure who in the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha the other factions represent in this questionable analogy. Xerophyte fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Jun 1, 2018 |
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Torrannor posted:So you think the Vailians are a socialist utopia where the VTC and the dukes don't exploit the masses in the name of capitalism? Nah man the one who thinks some faction in the game is a socialist Utopia is you with your defending of the Huana.
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So I just got my first ever soulbound item. It's the scepter you get for becoming the Roadwarden. Gyrd Hewanes Stenes. My instinct is to give it to Aloth, but my Protag is a Druid and I also have Durance and I guess they can both use it, too. Is it worth binding to my Protag?
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Jun 1, 2018 11:31
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I'd bind it to the Watcher for the +4 Resolve alone.
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Jun 1, 2018 11:33
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And it lets druids restore spirit shift too. Aloth has better options imo.
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Nasgate posted:Restore my boy Abydon, the only god that gave a poo poo about people. Eothas would like a word with you, sir. Edit: On ending chat, I rolled with the VTC, largely because my character was a staunch anti-theist and his pro-science tendencies coincided well with Castol, even if I did butcher Crookspur. It wasn't a perfect, utopian ending by any means, but I thought it was sufficiently hopeful and worked well with my character's very aloof, numbers-oriented priorities. Sinner Sandwich fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jun 1, 2018 |
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Jun 1, 2018 11:56
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Where did Benweth go after the intro fight? Did he jump off his ship onto another ship or get in a rowboat or what
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SirSamVimes posted:I mean I'm pretty sure genocide is not on the agenda for the RDC Cultural genocide is a thing my dude. Much like first nation children being forcibly taken from their parents and put through schools with the express intention of stamping out their languages and culture, do you really imagine the RDC subjecting the Huana to anything less given how they view the Huana? Given everything you saw in Sayuka, from the longhouse to the overbearing coaching on How To Be A Legitimate Person? Also it seems bizarre to blame the Huana writ large for imprisoning the sea dragon when it's explicitly a Big rear end Secret that Periki took to their grave.
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Oi what's in the crate at the start of the game that I never got because I always saved my crew member?
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Chairchucker posted:Oi what's in the crate at the start of the game that I never got because I always saved my crew member? Gloves of the Killer (extra crit damage I believe.)
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The interesting thing is that the RDC are explicitly Rauatai - like, they represent long-term Rauatai interest - while the VTC are not Vailian political interest, just economic interest. It's easy for Castol's Crookspur plan to sour you on them but with Castol in charge and Crookspur cleared out they're potentially less lovely for the Deadfire than other options.Chairchucker posted:Oi what's in the crate at the start of the game that I never got because I always saved my crew member? Just some average weapons.
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Most people in this thread seem to believe that the Huana are a monolithic entity without meaningful internal dissent and could never possibly change their ways on their own, but then again the game itself is pushing that narrative hard.SirSamVimes posted:It's not that your actions are wrong, it's that they are inconsistent with the position you are trying to argue. If you didn't do any of the required stuff then it appears that you do not believe some knowledge should remain forgotten and in that case why are you even trying to argue the point in the first place?
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bewilderment posted:The interesting thing is that the RDC are explicitly Rauatai - like, they represent long-term Rauatai interest - while the VTC are not Vailian political interest, just economic interest. It's easy for Castol's Crookspur plan to sour you on them but with Castol in charge and Crookspur cleared out they're potentially less lovely for the Deadfire than other options. The Castol VTC ending if you kill the slavers and don't do Maia's quest is almost unambiguously good.
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Wizard Styles posted:Most people in this thread seem to believe that the Huana are a monolithic entity without meaningful internal dissent and could never possibly change their ways on their own, but then again the game itself is pushing that narrative hard. Does it though? We're repeatedly told that the Huana have changed greatly over the past generation, and that their nascent centralization of a state under the Kahanga tribe has happened very rapidly. CottonWolf posted:The Castol VTC ending if you kill the slavers and don't do Maia's quest is almost unambiguously good. Almost. The Huana still become a subject people.
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:It seems chants aren't working, at least not for multiclassed Pallegina. They're active but the little scrollbar isn't showing any songs, nothing in the combat log and her phrases don't go up. Is this a bug or do chants work differently from 1 (e.g. being interrupted by using paladin abilities)? Try deleting her default chant and see if that fixes it.
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:It seems chants aren't working, at least not for multiclassed Pallegina. They're active but the little scrollbar isn't showing any songs, nothing in the combat log and her phrases don't go up. Is this a bug or do chants work differently from 1 (e.g. being interrupted by using paladin abilities)? Chants were buggy in POE1 as well. I had to bench Kana eventually since it was just too inconsistent and it was too much of a pain in the rear end to keep fixing it. I usually just deleted all the chants, then remade my default.
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This is probably my first and only criticism of the game. The companions need to be more fleshed up regarding their factions. Let me explain this: we all believe the factions are all redeemable if you as the watcher go out of your god hunting way to do so. Imo the companions could benefit a lot from having more quests related to their faction or at least their disposition, therefore building a more robust experience and feeling about the other factions (factions I'm not championing on this run to be precise). My main and only issue with Obsidian games is that it's pretty much your world to shape, which is cool, but a few agents operating constantly here and there towards their own agenda would take Obsidian games to the next level.
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