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Can’t wait to read the eventual story about wtf is going on with 10nm at Intel.
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when is intel going to say gently caress this and go straight to 5nm, because the gloflo/ibm/samsung partnership has plans for 5nm.
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They're working on 7nm and they claim it's going better than 10nm but I don't know when it would be ready for volume production.
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MaxxBot posted:There's also this, hopefully 10nm is working by 2020 Can't wait to put an Intel GPU in my Ryzen 3 system to play Battlefield 2143
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wargames posted:when is intel going to say gently caress this and go straight to 5nm, because the gloflo/ibm/samsung partnership has plans for 5nm.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Isn't there some kind of quantum physics issue with that (disclaimer: I studied political science and remember reading about this on wikipedia) Yes, we are approaching the point where the quantum positions available to an electron are larger than the physical size of a transistor at even the lowest voltages possible. The solution is to make the transistor bigger by including more material without making them wider or longer. This is what FinFET and Gate-All-Around are doing.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Can't wait to play Battlefield 2143
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MaxxBot posted:They're working on 7nm and they claim it's going better than 10nm but I don't know when it would be ready for volume production. There are rumors Intel's 7nm will slip a (edit) year 1 or 2 as well. I'd expect almost everyone's to slip really but Intel seems to have had the most ambitious goals for process improvements vs almost anyone else which seems to be part of the problem. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 06:48
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:There are rumors Intel's 7nm will slip a 1 or 2 as well. I'd expect almost everyone's to slip really but Intel seems to have had the most ambitious goals for process improvements vs almost anyone else which seems to be part of the problem. It's gonna really boring for anyone who doesn't need lotsa cores.
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Palladium posted:It's gonna really boring for anyone who doesn't need lotsa cores. Well if Intel keeps loving up this bad AMD might pass them up in single-threaded performance as well. Whatever happens it's a more exciting CPU landscape than 2012-2016 was. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 07:06
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The new rumor is eight-core Coffee Lake by September: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-8-core-coffee-lake-to-be-released-in-this-fall.html
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The new rumor is eight-core Coffee Lake by September: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-8-core-coffee-lake-to-be-released-in-this-fall.html Is it time to reverse Intel/AMD on the cores/cores comic?
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hobbesmaster posted:Is it time to reverse Intel/AMD on the cores/cores comic? 
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Jun 13, 2018 13:01
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Finally!
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Jun 13, 2018 18:24
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make moar chipsets
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Paul MaudDib posted:make moar chipsets i think you mean, refresh 14nm moar!
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wargames posted:i think you mean, refresh 14nm moar! But if you get to 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ won't that mean you're right back to 28nm???
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Xae posted:But if you get to 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ won't that mean you're right back to 28nm??? no, the calculations are done with the fab size before it's incremented
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Jun 14, 2018 01:33
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How about a chipset with onboard 2.5gb\5gb nic support.
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incoherent posted:How about a chipset with onboard 2.5gb\5gb nic support. i mean amd is rolling out boards with 10gbit, intel will have to come up with their own solution in 3 years.
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wargames posted:i mean amd is rolling out boards with 10gbit, intel will have to come up with their own solution in 3 years. 10gbit is so incredibly overdue, we've had standard 1gbit for like 15 years now. I wanna boot off a NAS drat it! (the adapters aren't too bad, it's just the switches that are insane. Oddly, infiniband gear is vastly cheaper if you don't need too many long cable runs)
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Jun 14, 2018 03:07
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Gentlemen, start your glue guns.
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Yeah I've wanted 10G for years now. Whats the most affordable 8 port unit available these days? Looks like maybe this thing which seems new: https://www.amazon.com/QSW-1208-8C-...&keywords=10gbe redeyes fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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Ubiquity has one, which is pretty affordable. Compare to other 10G switches at least.
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Mikrotik are even cheaper if you don't mind sfp+ dac cables
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SlowBloke posted:Mikrotik are even cheaper if you don't mind sfp+ dac cables Thats the whole problem. Gotta be using normal Cat6.
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redeyes posted:Thats the whole problem. Gotta be using normal Cat6. SFP+ to 10gig base-t transceivers go for $180 on fiberstore if you absolutely need to go that route.
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I was assuming netgear would make the cheapest 10G switch but it’s still not that cheap.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:SFP+ to 10gig base-t transceivers go for $180 on fiberstore if you absolutely need to go that route. I would if it were cheaper but it's not even close. I don't suppose there are any cheaper transceivers?
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redeyes posted:I would if it were cheaper but it's not even close. I don't suppose there are any cheaper transceivers? Fiberstore generally has the cheapest stuff that's somewhat reputable, unless you want to try some of those direct from china wholesale sites.
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While we're on the topic, if I wanted some QSFP fiber transceivers for Infiniband QDR (40 gbit), what would I be looking for? I don't really know anything about fiber stuff. If there's multiple types of fiber, then I guess suggest some transceivers that work with a type that's relatively cheap surplused/used. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jun 15, 2018 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:While we're on the topic, if I wanted some QSFP fiber transceivers for Infiniband QDR (40 gbit), what would I be looking for? I don't really know anything about fiber stuff. Check out mellanox for an idea, their stuff doesn’t seem to be too crazy expensive for enterprise and their website is good for explaining the various options to give you an idea what to look for when trolling ebay: http://www.mellanox.com/products/interconnect/ethernet-optical-transceivers.php
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If I had to guess, I would say we are real close from copper multigigabit becoming mainstream. Aquantia is about to launch cheap ($25) USB3.0->5gbe dongles based on a new PHY, and Intel and AMD both already have on-die 10gbe in the embedded market. I imagine cheaper switches will follow quickly once it becomes more ubiquitous. And ASUS and Asrock both sell 1151/2066 motherboards with on-board multi-gbe (not the weird bundled card thing) now. My prediction is that 10gbe will be fairly common on ~$175 motherboards next generation, and PCIe 4.0 and DDR5 in the generation after that.
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Multimode is the cheaper stuff and for short-range runs. Don't get in to single-mode if you're staying inside the building unless its a really long haul.
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I am not sure if they will work with fixed-speed 10GBase-X devices but Mikrotik has 10/100/1G/2.5G/5G/10G SFP+s with an MSRP of $65, less in practice if you're looking to get a cheap 10G copper PHY.
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Eletriarnation posted:I am not sure if they will work with fixed-speed 10GBase-X devices but Mikrotik has 10/100/1G/2.5G/5G/10G SFP+s with an MSRP of $65, less in practice if you're looking to get a cheap 10G copper PHY. Im not familiar with fixed-speed 10GBase-X. Are you saying they wont negotiate down to 1Gb?
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Worst part of Intel monopoly is the lack of chipset io improvements. We've been stuck on pcie3 for like a decade. Lack of usbc is probably related to intel not improving the PCH. Also non integrated chipset is weird as heck. Amd moved to a soc.
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redeyes posted:Im not familiar with fixed-speed 10GBase-X. Are you saying they wont negotiate down to 1Gb? Most 10G SFP+ ports I'm familiar with are in enterprise gear and they only go down to 1G if it's specifically configured and a 1G SFP is inserted, if at all. These transceivers support the newer 6-speed autonegotiating standard which I assume the Mikrotik SFP+ switches also support, but if put into a non-6-speed port I don't know if they will work only on the supported modes or not at all.
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