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Groovy is actually still bad because nobody should be using Gradle, use Maven like a professional
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Jun 22, 2018 03:31
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DELETE CASCADE posted:Groovy is actually still bad because nobody should be using Gradle, use Maven like a professional Iterative builds with gradle take 20 seconds vs 3 minutes with maven 
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Jun 22, 2018 03:56
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How am I supposed to write my build logic and distribution library checks in Maven>>>
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Jun 22, 2018 04:00
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Also, gradle can be distributed with your project, is flexible in terms of build process and configuring output artifacts, and the build scripts are far more readable than those goddamn hideous poms.
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Jun 22, 2018 04:06
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The more I think on it, it seems weird as gently caress to me to not meet my team or the person responsible for assigning teams in an interview. How do you accept an offer with such little idea of what you'll be doing?
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Jun 22, 2018 16:58
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Good Will Hrunting posted:How do you accept an offer with such little idea of what you'll be doing? If it's an issue for you then you go to companies with a hiring process that is more specific in its job postings and involves the development team more. Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jun 22, 2018 |
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Jun 22, 2018 16:59
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Not having a chance to talk to your boss before accepting an offer is a red flag IMO. A bad boss can completely ruin an otherwise-good job. Bad coworkers are also a potential issue, but less so than bad bosses, and it's harder to justify them taking the time to talk to you because there's more of them.
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Jun 22, 2018 17:05
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:If it's an issue for you then you go to companies with a hiring process that is more specific in its job postings and involves the development team more. It's not an issue that it's an issue for me, right? I feel the need to preface every post with "I'm a stupid newb still" so people don't lash out, but shouldn't my above "average" level of Java knowledge versus other languages afford me the capability to find jobs where that's more important and shouldn't I strive for something in that realm since it will get me the most money and highest potential job, possibly? I don't know, I feel very lost about what type of programming exactly I want to do, but what I've enjoyed most is the real-time bidding system I worked on.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:48
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Good Will Hrunting posted:It's not an issue that it's an issue for me, right? Also it sounds like you've got plenty of leads to chase and you're currently employed, so you can afford to be picky.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:53
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Good Will Hrunting posted:"I'm a stupid newb still" so people don't lash out, A key part of being an Oldie is realizing that you will always be a stupid newb at something. Also, ~~FOLLOW YOUR HEART~~ and do what makes you happy. Especially if you are already employed in a non-poo poo position.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:59
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If you get an offer maybe just tell your recruiter you'd like to talk to the manager you'd be reporting to before accepting?
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Jun 22, 2018 20:11
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I have approximately 15 leads at the moment at various phases between phone-screen after recruiter has reached out to round 3 (passing initial coding tests). My job definitely sucks but it isn't soul-crushing hours or a level of toxicity that need an ASAP exit.Jose Valasquez posted:If you get an offer maybe just tell your recruiter you'd like to talk to the manager you'd be reporting to before accepting? This is also possible!
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Jun 22, 2018 20:23
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I got the feedback that I was 'too corporate' after a recent interview with a smaller software shop, the kind of shop that I started with years ago right out of college. That was before being acquired again and again and landing in the bowels of the Fortune 500 Beast. Corporate camouflage is not hard and it was easy money. I hung up the phone after getting the feedback and had a good long laugh. Like the "Jokes on them I was only pretending to be retarded" comic, I had gone too far. Point taken, lesson learned. If the shop looks casual, lighten up quickly. Now pardon me - I need to attend the weekly HR social do-gooder initiative and nod politely.
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Jun 22, 2018 22:14
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BurntCornMuffin posted:A key part of being an Oldie is realizing that you will always be a stupid newb at something. BurntCornMuffin posted:Also, ~~FOLLOW YOUR HEART~~ and do what makes you happy. I think what you mean to say is: follow your gut. If something seems fishy it often is.
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Jun 22, 2018 22:16
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Thots and Prayers posted:I got the feedback that I was 'too corporate' after a recent interview with a smaller software shop, the kind of shop that I started with years ago right out of college. That was before being acquired again and again and landing in the bowels of the Fortune 500 Beast. Corporate camouflage is not hard and it was easy money. I had an interview where I was all Brooks Brothers-ed up (no necktie, at least, since that's suicide anywhere in tech) and ready to front as Serious Consultant Who Gets Results. My first interview was with the CTO, who rolled in looking like he overslept for CS201.
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Jun 22, 2018 22:25
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Good Will Hrunting posted:The more I think on it, it seems weird as gently caress to me to not meet my team or the person responsible for assigning teams in an interview. How do you accept an offer with such little idea of what you'll be doing? I thought this is how Google interviewed, because it's "objective".
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Jun 23, 2018 23:18
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Google does that but I'm pretty sure you speak with many teams including the one you're placed on before accepting? This doesn't seem to be the case at company I'm interviewing with. Seems like an "as needed" assignment more than my interests.
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Jun 23, 2018 23:28
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Google does a general screening round, and that's where you talk to people from all over the company. If you pass that, you start talking to individual hiring managers to see if you fit on their teams.
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Jun 23, 2018 23:42
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ultrafilter posted:Google does a general screening round, and that's where you talk to people from all over the company. If you pass that, you start talking to individual hiring managers to see if you fit on their teams. Usually this, though more specialized teams will do their own interviews
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Jun 24, 2018 01:04
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If I'm already going to be moving to a new city and state soon for not-job reasons and wanted to send some advance job applications out, is it reasonable to put a blurb in a cover letter that I'm already moving out there? Are local candidates viewed more-favorably even if relo is authorized for the position? At this point I really don't have, like, a local address to be slapping on my resume yet or anything.
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Jun 24, 2018 21:48
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fourwood posted:If I'm already going to be moving to a new city and state soon for not-job reasons and wanted to send some advance job applications out, is it reasonable to put a blurb in a cover letter that I'm already moving out there? Are local candidates viewed more-favorably even if relo is authorized for the position? At this point I really don't have, like, a local address to be slapping on my resume yet or anything. Do you want to work for an employer that considers putting this on your application unreasonable? Just put something along the lines of "$LocationA, planned relocation to $LocationB [OPTIONAL: in $Month/$Year]" on your resume.
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Jun 24, 2018 22:16
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fourwood posted:If I'm already going to be moving to a new city and state soon for not-job reasons and wanted to send some advance job applications out, is it reasonable to put a blurb in a cover letter that I'm already moving out there? Are local candidates viewed more-favorably even if relo is authorized for the position? At this point I really don't have, like, a local address to be slapping on my resume yet or anything. It's more than reasonable, yes. As for whether local candidates are viewed more favorably, I think that depends on the employer -- if the company's idea of relocation is "we have a contractor that handles that, or if you want to make arrangements yourself we'll cut you a check for $10k" then there's likely no difference. For companies who are tight-fisted about relocation, that might be a factor in their decision-making.
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Jun 24, 2018 22:51
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:Do you want to work for an employer that considers putting this on your application unreasonable? fantastic in plastic posted:It's more than reasonable, yes.
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Jun 25, 2018 05:00
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I moved hemispheres, and my only issue was communication across time zones. (As I had already paid for myself to relocate, and had the right to work) Trying to do interviews and sound sane at 1am, or get references via phone from 12 hours in the future is somewhat impossible if your boss to be isn’t willing to work early or late to make up the difference. In the end they settled for email references.
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Jun 25, 2018 09:05
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fourwood posted:Thanks. I wouldn't expect anyone to find it unreasonable, but I wasn't really sure how much being local gives you an edge over out-of-state candidates, or even if "hey I know I don't live there now but I will soon I swear!" maybe just comes off as a little weird (obviously phrased in a much more professional manner, but still). To put it in perspective, as of a couple years ago, hiring one reasonably good dev can sometimes cost upwards of $30k (depending on the company and the standard for “reasonably good”). If they need you by some date and you promise to be around by then to take the job, where you are now doesn’t matter. Any relo benefit or whatever is there because they want to hire someone who qualifies, regardless of current location. It’s already expensive enough to find and interview you, making you more likely to accept is not a wasted cost. Don’t worry about it too much unless the timing is tight and you immediately need to start.
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Jun 25, 2018 10:58
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Jose Valasquez posted:Probably that you were able to solve the problem at all. I solved it yet still got an automated rejection email saying there "wasn't a good fit for my background".  These interviews are arbitrary. It was another one of those "I just code while they may or may not listen to me explain it and don't really give any feedback and just sit there in radio silence".
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Jun 25, 2018 20:07
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fantastic in plastic posted:It's more than reasonable, yes. This may apply only to entry level folks, but there has been a huge difference in the response rates I got locally vs being out of state/far away. I've experienced this personally and from folks I talk to regularly. I did do the blurb about moving soon when I was in NC trying to move to IL, but the only really big difference in response rate happened when I was actually in the area. It sounds wildly different once you get more experience though. One day....
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Jun 25, 2018 20:18
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Feedback from my first onsite, which was a place I got an offer from 2 years ago: ""it came down to a couple of people not being on-board ....problems with the design questions.... they felt that there wasn't a large enough skill progression from the last time around (2 years ago) to inspire confidence. It was super close but the combined issues on those fronts (plus any other things we can pry out of them) was enough to DQ you."
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Jun 25, 2018 21:39
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Lmao feedback from rejection last week was literally: "great at tackling and explaining the problem but my variable names could have been better and my program structure could have been better and there might have been a less complex way to write code to solve the problem" What the gently caress? It's one function I'm solving in 35 minutes in a glorified version of notepad. Are you kidding me 
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Jun 25, 2018 22:38
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Stop asking for feedback. What’s the use?
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Jun 25, 2018 22:41
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The number of times an interviewee has failed to present the best possible implementation is 100%. Nobody should fail an interview for not arriving at the best solution.
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Jun 25, 2018 22:42
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Good Will Hrunting posted:What the gently caress? It's one function I'm solving in 35 minutes in a glorified version of notepad. Are you kidding me Nice. I got a response once that I "failed to rise to the challenges presented," which I guess meant I didn't demand enough additional information from my interviewers when they went tight-lipped??
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Jun 25, 2018 22:43
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JawnV6 posted:Stop asking for feedback. What’s the use? I don't know. You're right. It's useless. It's arbitrary. This just reinforces it even further.
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Jun 25, 2018 22:46
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:The number of times an interviewee has failed to present the best possible implementation is 100%. Nobody should fail an interview for not arriving at the best solution. I did though! In terms of performance and space constraints I did! Just not the best variable names and "structure" I guess!
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Jun 25, 2018 22:47
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Good Will Hrunting posted:I did though! In terms of performance and space constraints I did! Just not the best variable names and "structure" I guess!  Do the reasons you get rejected get more arbitrary and nonsense the more experience you get?
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Jun 25, 2018 22:52
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Jun 25, 2018 23:33
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Good Will Hrunting posted:I did though! In terms of performance and space constraints I did! Just not the best variable names and "structure" I guess! "I don't think I could go have a beer with this guy." (doesn't actually like beer)
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Jun 26, 2018 00:21
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Jun 26, 2018 00:37
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Good Will Hrunting posted:I don't know. You're right. It's useless. It's arbitrary. This just reinforces it even further. I have received high-quality personal feedback exactly once. It was devastating, ruined my weekend. But it was a senior programmer a startup had asked to interview me as a favor, I asked for feedback in the shock of the moment and she gave it. I didn't even want the stupid job working for those zealot co-founders, I was more upset they'd figured out we weren't a good fit first. None of it was "oh brush up on makefile syntax" or some other technical topic I could pick up in a few days. But yeah, interviews are arbitrary. I was slammed on my Google phone-screen for my inexperience with op-amps, I genuinely don't see my career going that way and the feedback is irrelevant. I might be wrong. Does anyone have experience getting good feedback from a hiring process and utilizing it?
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Shirec posted:
No they're pretty arbitrary at all levels.
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