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dogsicle posted:all the promo material gives me the impression it's saya no uta but with lesbians that sounds amazing and is honestly not far off but is a bit of an overshot as there's no lovecraftian monstrosities (or ero). it's about working up from the broken conceptions of love between two kids growing up in an abusive/broken household. for reasons, it's very evocative for me.  pyo~n
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Space Flower posted:that sounds amazing and is honestly not far off but is a bit of an overshot as there's no lovecraftian monstrosities (or ero). it's about working up from the broken conceptions of love between two kids growing up in an abusive/broken household. for reasons, it's very evocative for me. Space Flower posted:let's say saya no uta meets S2E4 of cinderella girls ... eh, I'll give it a 2-ep test at least. I remember reading what was available of the manga in like 2 hours after somebody mentioned "Yandere Yuri" and it was... kinda lacking.
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cosmo321 posted:I feel like the seasonal average is more even now. Winter and summer isn't necessarily that much worse than spring and fall. Personal preference will also have an impact on whether a season feels strong or weak as well. Oh it definitely has. With streaming on the rise and cross-media marketing, there's no longer a rat race for all the car commercial/baseball-dodging timeslots/school vacation  .
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Sharkopath posted:You'll always find better representation from medium that's more auteur than when committee and capital are necessary, I have found. i understand what youre trying to say here but this is always a lovely response to people expressing their frustration with that stuff, lol 'i wish this had more gay stuff' 'have you perhaps considered things that arent the form you want to experience the gay stuff in?'
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It feels like a light season to me (as did last season) mostly because instead of like a dozen shows I potentially will like and want to watch there are 2-3 stand-outs and a whole bunch of stuff I have zero interest in, which tbh is probably an easier season for me to actually keep up with and not be overwhelmed so I don't mind. I suppose it's really more like a *normal* season for me since the ones where I want to watch literally all the shows are fairly rare but have been more frequent recently because it feels like the audience(s) I fall into are getting more attention lately.
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Endorph posted:i understand what youre trying to say here but this is always a lovely response to people expressing their frustration with that stuff, lol Not gonna start a minority fight but good black art came from black artists bottom up, corporate structures only cave when they smell money in the water so the way to go about it is supporting artists first. It's not a smokescreen sentiment to throw erstwhile allies under the bus but an expression of reality. If you want that stuff you gotta support the smaller artists first and that means comics.
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Theres only so much we can do other side of ocean so keep sharing and buying the good doujis and comics and foster fandom and friendship. Or violently overthrow the power structures and bend them to your will by redistributing the spoils from your aggressive raiding, but that's harder.
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Sharkopath posted:Not gonna start a minority fight but good black art came from black artists bottom up, corporate structures only cave when they smell money in the water so the way to go about it is supporting artists first. Sharkopath posted:Theres only so much we can do other side of ocean so keep sharing and buying the good doujis and comics and foster fandom and friendship. dude just said they wanted an anime where girls kiss goddamn. like none of this is really wrong, but also, i dont think they were actually trying to make any kind of statement or opening a channel for debate. sometimes people just wanna go 'i wish there was more of a thing, like this,' and no amount of 'here's REALITY' will change that desire, so its a useless sentiment tossed into the void for no reason
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cw abuse i guess, i don't go into much detail but someone might prefer i use this. i'm usually a stoic and introverted person who just wants to stay in their lane and enjoy media that makes me happy and energetic without dredging up the past but i dunno, maybe i should speak up a bit because it bugs me to see media that has emotional value to people get swept away because it features Problematic Content. it's definitely confused me and i see it confuse others. Citrus is a notable recent example. to save this post some length i am just gonna link to this article on abuse in Yun Kouga's LOVELESS just because its the first thing that came up when I did a google search and it's a decent rundown of what's going on. I forgot I loved this manga. I forgot what it meant to me, but I really loved it, and it influenced me more than anything I read before it. Yet I only remembered this today. If you asked me about it a year ago I'd just say, "yeah its kind of gay and virgins have cat ears that disappear if they gently caress. It has like, sub/dom relationships or something?" I'm not sure how much I was conscious of what was going on in my mind, 14 years ago, when my fujoshi friend (we were 6th grade classmates and we had crushes on each other) introduced me to Loveless and I fell in love with the anime and memorized the OP lyrics so I could sing along, and bought all of the localized manga with Barnes & Nobles gift cards that my grandma's lesbian best friend would send me on christmas and my birthday. She's the vice president of our local community college and her office has an essay on wolves that I wrote in 3rd grade. Loveless is considered yaoi by many of its fans and non-fans for its portrayal of the 20yo Soubi and 12yo Ritsuka, but its creator Yun Kouga doesn't see it that way. And hell, I agree. Soubi is probably gay but Ritsuka is more complicated, he's uncomfortable with expressing and receiving affection. And when I read Loveless as a boy who saw themselves in Ritsuka, I wasn't attracted to Soubi, not sexually. He's a very good character but I wanted Ritsuka to kiss his classmate, the cute girl who has a crush on him and is teased by her peers because her boobs are big for a middle schooler. No, the reason I like Ritsuka and Soubi's relationship is because their relationship is about safety and comfort. There are lines that Soubi doesn't cross. The most intimate moment between these two is the chapter where Ritsuka pierces Soubi's ears. Prior to the start of the manga, Soubi is raised through childhood by a 40yo man who is abusive and takes Soubi's ears at some point. He does it because Soubi's face reminds the man of Soubi's mother. You see, that's what the cat ears are about. They're a metaphorical tool for dealing with an oftentimes heavy issue. Remember how people lose their ears? Soubi enters a relationship with Ritsuka's older brother, Seimei. They form a two-person 'Unit' because that's the premise of the manga, people form special relationships that allow them to do magic battle with each other. However, this relationship is even more abusive for Soubi because Seimei is one of the darkest and most damaged characters in the story. Ritsuka is the protagonist of Loveless. He's a 12yo boy who has endured years of physical and mental abuse from his hosed-up mom and brother. His mom beats him and ties him up and tells Ritsuka no one loves him. Even as the manga progresses and Ritsuka develops healthier relationships with people who care about him and treat him with respect, he still goes home every day to his mother, who beats him and ties him up and tells Ritsuka no one loves him. He keeps going back because he pities his mom who will have no one else if he leaves or reports her. So he endures it. Ritsuka is a character I identify strongly with and like I said before, I wasn't even aware of how much he influenced me until I thought today, "why do I like Happy Sugar Life? is it just trash? it can't be just trash, because I can feel what it does for me. it's a very positive force. but I can't put my finger on it." and then I remembered that HSL's two main characters are years apart but both come from abusive, broken families. "Hey, I've read a manga like that before..." My mom lost custody of me in 4th grade for driving drunk. I was in the backseat when it happned, reading the manual for Warcraft II when she hit a mailbox and a cop car came by. I was still reading it when another cop car came and brought me to my grandma's house. Chris Metzen's illustrations were so cool. I didn't have a PC but my mom's friend had one with WCII. My mom wouldn't let me play it so I read the manual instead. Man, wasn't it nice when manuals were thick with art and lore? My mom went to jail/rehab and I went home to my dad after school every day. My dad who beat me and screamed into my face with a rage so strong that spit flew into my face. I couldn't tell him why I was sent to the principal's office every week, or why I forgot my homework at home. Why I forgot to wash my hair in the shower even though I was in there for 40 minutes. Yeah, one time I didn't wash my hair and he could smell that I forgot, so he grabbed me by my hair and threw me into the wall. That was fun. Around when I read Loveless, I stopped hating my dad. I realized he was a damaged person who grew up with a single mom and resented his dad who walked out on his life but lives in the city 20 minutes away with his new family, the family he loves. I realized that when he said he loves me more than anything else, he really meant it. It's so damaged and hosed up but he meant it. So I endured it. I still couldn't tell him why my grades in middle school were terrible, or why I came home wearing eyeliner sometimes, or why I came home from hot topic with weird clothes. I couldn't explain myself, so my dad would shout louder, hit harder. I had a possible way out, I could tell my grandma about all of this. But if I moved in with her, I'd have to switch school districts. And she might not believe me, because I didn't have marks. And because I didn't have marks, was it even abuse? (25yo me: yes) I had another reason to endure it. I didn't watch Teen Nick a lot because it was above my age range (I did stay up to watch Daria sometimes), but I caught a commercial for the Season 2 opener of Degrassi, a story arc about a kid whose dad beats him. Man, I watched that and it hit me hard. it's a two-parter called When Doves Cry if you want to look up more about it.  I don't mind if people read Loveless as a yaoi work, I'm sure they have their reasons that might be important to them or maybe they're just a pervert. or maybe they're a pervert for deep-seated psychological reasons that they work through by reading weird manga. The Units in Loveless have two roles. One is the Fighter, and one is the Sacrifice. Ritsuka's role is the Sacrifice, and I think I understand what that means now. Loveless is about a boy who learns what it is to truly be loved by others. He works through abuse and is able to end the chain of pain and suffering instead of passing it on to others in turn. Was it a coincidence that I stopped being a bully to my little brothers around when I read Loveless, or was it something subconscious that clicked when I found a story that resonated with the core of my being? When I told a girl I liked her and she liked me back and we spent hours every day sending messages to each other on online forums for anime and Fire Emblem, and learned to build meaningful relationships of my own, ones that didn't involve control. My dad backed off around my 10th grade in high school and my stepmom started to see me as just another member of the family. I never told anyone what my dad did except my girlfriends. I never even talked with my dad about it, and he hasn't brought it up either. I'm okay with this. Maybe one day it will come up, but just by enduring it I was able to watch my dad grow up himself. He's a cool guy: a straight half-native dude who's worked card games at the rez casino for years. He lets me live at his house for free and I got a job at the casino because of him. He's been married for 20 years and his wife popped out four of my half-siblings and they took in foster twins last year. They were born the day his mom died. He makes fun of Trump voters on Facebook and posts about #BlackLivesMatter and wears a gay pride badge on his work coat. Anyways shoutouts to : Thuryl. If you like a manga because it makes you feel healthy, positive emotions, it's not trashy. Or rather, when I see you say something is 'trashy' it feels like you're being self-deprecating when you shouldn't have to be. You're a smart girl who recognizes and deals with the problematic stuff in your own way. Because humans are capable of critical thought. I wish discourse didn't reduce these manga to less than they mean to you. I don't know how you feel about Happy Sugar Life but I read Citrus because of you, it's really good. I'm glad you enjoy it too. Endorph. You do so much for this forum, your level of critical thinking is just amazing sometimes. I grew up being the 'smartest kid in my class' so dealing with people I see as smarter than me is difficult. I look up to you and envy you at the same time. You don't know how many times I've wanted to lash out at you or spite you and had to hold it down, all because of that time I was an idiot in the Yurikuma Arashi thread and you showed me up. I like that anime. I wished you might've too, because I think it's good regardless of what Ikuhara or ANN or a dumber, younger me will say about 'saving lesbians' or whatever pretension. It's a cute show and the girls get married at the end. And it has Aoi Yuuki, one of your favorites. And it's kind of horny in ways that come from its male director and lots of male animators, but hey: Flip Flappers was too. The director, the character designer, and lots of the animators, all of them are horny for the characters. They even talk about it in the booklet that came with the BD! And there was the episode where the girls were in mecha cockpits in compromising angles, surrounded by phallic imagery jutting out from all sides. (That was kind of weird, I'm not sure what they wanted to accomplish there—maybe someone has a good take on it! I wouldn't have seen it because no one brings it up. Perhaps because it's a widely loved show, no one wants to be the one to "call out" some of its content.) But that show still meant something to you, and hell, same. I listen to everything you say and I want to help you make this a place where people can speak out about genuinely liking stuff. But sometimes I'll be snarky and shitposty too. I try to find a balance. Someone Else: I had someone else in mind but I forgot who while I was typing up the above. Sorry! tl;dr: everything up there is the best way I can describe why I think Happy Sugar Life means something to me. There is no tl;dr because art is complicated and how a person reacts to it can vary based on decades of lived experience. I wish we as humans could understand each other more or at least give each other leeway instead of assuming that a mangaka would just write a pile of trash that has no merit and only harms others. That's not how art works. Space Flower fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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okay i'll pretend i didn't just reveal it in this post
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Endorph posted:dude just said they wanted an anime where girls kiss goddamn. like none of this is really wrong, but also, i dont think they were actually trying to make any kind of statement or opening a channel for debate. sometimes people just wanna go 'i wish there was more of a thing, like this,' and no amount of 'here's REALITY' will change that desire, so its a useless sentiment tossed into the void for no reason Dont paint the devil on the wall or he may appear. 
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Endorph posted:why do you think my problem with yurikuma is that its horny, lol that was just a thing that stands out to me because you brought it up a lot and at the end i was just kind of rolling on momentum
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it just represents the nadir of ikuhara's storytelling. the characters are very hard to latch on to or relate to - side characters in utena with like 3, 4 episodes of focus manage more than the main characters of yurikuma, and it just doesn't feel like there's any humanity to its core. it's so caught up in its own borrowed and muddled mixed metaphors that it barely has time to establish a basic story, basic beats. my issue with yurikuma isnt that it has a male director (im a fan of utena and penguindrum alone, ignoring everything else) or that it has a male staff (this actually isnt true, ikuharas mentioned in interviews that the staff was pretty female and hed often consult with them) its just that its a crappy story. it makes a less dramatic and meaningful revelation about sexuality and gender than 20 page cinderella girls doujins where syuko makes a side comment about drowning herself and gets jittery about boobs. yurikuma feels very up its own rear end in a lot of ways, and while there are some neat visual tricks in it and i didnt hate all the characters or some of the gags, it just felt like it was struggling for anything meaningful to do or be. morishima's random manga about 30 year old lesbians are more violently angry about the state of female sexuality in japan than yurikuma. heck, morishima's manga version of yurikuma is a more meaningful statement, than the anime version. if ikuhara's gender relates to my feelings on yurikuma at all, it's just that he gets all the credit for being the woke mastermind when morishima's the real auteur of the two, even taking into account their entire bodies of work, not just the two versions of yurikuma that exist. and again, i actually really like utena and am decently fond of penguindrum. i made fun of yurikuma's horniness in the yurikuma thread, but A) that was like six years ago and I wasn't as good at expressing myself and B) nobody at all was interested in hearing a lesbian's opinions on that anime if I tried to express them sincerely, so I just shitposted about it. And while Morishima and Ikuhara obviously weren't self-conscious about the show's horniness, a lot of the people praising it clearly were, so it felt like something to make fun of them for. Also, the mecha episode is the worst episode of flipflappers and I don't really have any deep insight to clue you in on to make your opinion of that episode turn around. There's some decent cuts and directorial beats in that episode, and if you wanted to stretch you could say it's horny because the entire episode is about the fulfillment of something you've longed for: yayaka finally gets to have an adventure with cocona and papika, giant robots blow up, etc. the fanservice kiiinda fits into that. realistically, it's just kind of a mediocre, filler-y episode with some shots where cocona's rear end is huge for no real reason. acting like nobody wants to 'call out' flipflappers is a little ridiculous though, people criticize the horny little roll-y robot and pretty much every review i've seen of the series specifically mentions that episode as bad. also: i'm not here to tell you how to live your life, but i think its okay to hate people who are monsters. you dont have to forgive them, you dont have to say theyre a cool person. your dad's a piece of poo poo. present tense. if focusing on that doesn't make you happy, that's fine, but the idea you're promoting there is kind of actually super dangerous. there's this idea (especially among more marginalized groups like women, gay people, trans people, racial minorities, etc) that you have to forgive people that have transgressed against you, that have done harm to you, that not doing so makes you a bad person. and that's a terrible thing because you don't have to. sometimes, anger against the people that hurt you is all you have. being denied even that blocks off the one kind of catharsis you have. Endorph fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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Did yurikuma square the circle with the mixed messaging of oppressed minorities being murderers and cannibals in a satisfying way cause that's what dropped me off of it. It used the trappings of horror films like suspiria and left me feeling confused more than entertained, with more pity for the oppressor than the oppressed I got to like episode 5 I think
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this thread is a battleground gonna get my helmet
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an actual dog posted:this thread is a battleground gonna get my helmet It's just posts..
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an actual dog posted:this thread is a battleground gonna get my helmet 100 sincere effortposts leaping out of a plane.
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https://twitter.com/pKjd/status/1011625839299997699 Bloom Into You anime released its first PV. Really love the look they're going for.
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Srice posted:100 sincere effortposts leaping out of a plane. winner winner! im gay!
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Yurikuma had a lot of problems; the one I still consider the main issue, though? Being 1 cour. It just never had a chance. That was a sobering loving post. Thank you.
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an actual dog posted:did u read the description You can't just leave me hanging like this, it makes me way too curious! I read a few chapters, hot take: Back Street Girls is a weird mishmash comedy of jokes that didn't work for me, jokes in poor taste, and jokes that I chuckled at in that "boy that sure was incredulously edgy" kind of way. While having the dual VAs is a fun concept, I don't think there's enough that can save this show. Also a lot of the humor was the juxtaposition of visual art styles, something that seems like it will get lost in the anime adaptation based on the PVs. Also it looks like this adaptation exists primarily to sell softcore porn/gravure stuff or something. Verdict: Back Street Girls is indeed a pass.
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AnacondaHL posted:You can't just leave me hanging like this, it makes me way too curious! That's not even a lukewarm take. 
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That anyone would read that description and then decide to check out the manga is the goonyest loving poo poo lmao
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Endorph posted:also: i'm not here to tell you how to live your life, but i think its okay to hate people who are monsters. you dont have to forgive them, you dont have to say theyre a cool person. your dad's a piece of poo poo. present tense. if focusing on that doesn't make you happy, that's fine, but the idea you're promoting there is kind of actually super dangerous. there's this idea (especially among more marginalized groups like women, gay people, trans people, racial minorities, etc) that you have to forgive people that have transgressed against you, that have done harm to you, that not doing so makes you a bad person. and that's a terrible thing because you don't have to. sometimes, anger against the people that hurt you is all you have. being denied even that blocks off the one kind of catharsis you have. Hi, good morning. I'm just going to preface this by saying I'm not denying what you said in anyway and anyone is more than right to hold onto feelings of hate towards their abuser. However, I wanted to address that in Indigenous thought and culture there is an emphasis on letting go of that hate that you feel towards your parents from abuse. As I'm sure most people are aware some real hosed up poo poo was done to Indigenous people in the past through resettlement and the use of the residential school system. This system dragged young kids away from their parents, their culture, and were most often abused. Because of this a whole generation of people lost a model of what proper parenting was. This was the root of transgenerational trauma that is still affecting Indigenous people. So one of the things emphasized by our culture, our elders, my grandfather; who survived the residential school experience; is breaking that circle of hate so we don't pass it on. My Dad was abused horribly by his mom, my kunsi as I call her. She would regularly beat my Dad with a power cord and abandoned him in the middle of North Dakota when he 12 years so she could go to a Powwow. However he was fortunate enough to experience love from his grandmother and pass that on to me. My Dad still holds ill feelings towards his Mom but he has forgiven her by understanding what she went through in the residential school system and has moved on. I was really loving fortunate because of that and am in a pretty good place. Our Elders, at least here, regularly talk about how the vast majority of us now are too damaged physically and mentally from the traumas of the past. Our best hope for the future is the next generation and we need to forgive our parents for their lack of parenting skills in order to break the circle of hate and show children the love they need in order to live good lives. Again, I'm not denying what you said but different cultures have different beliefs and value systems that affect how we live our lives. Indigenous people are very generational and are still recovering from the trauma they experienced. Also also I always feel uncomfortable talking about Indigenous issues because I'm half and have spent more time off my reserve than on it. I should also say that Indigenous people are not monolithic and I can only speak for what I've been taught by my own community. I am not speaking for Space in any way, shape, or form.
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The good orv.
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an actual dog posted:That anyone would read that description and then decide to check out the manga is the goonyest loving poo poo lmao No, I read the description and ignored it. The fact that ADTRW pointed it out to explicity say to avoid it amongst all the other easily avoidable shows any season, without explanation and contrast to general reviews of it, makes me curious enough to verify.
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I like to trust people here to be honest and am less inclined to believe general anime reviewers about anything.
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AnacondaHL posted:The fact that ADTRW pointed it out to explicity say to avoid it amongst all the other easily avoidable shows any season, without explanation and contrast to general reviews of it, makes me curious enough to verify. A bunch of people saying wow this is repulsive + that description is pretty self-evident imo if a dozen people tell you "that bag is full of poo poo and it stinks, don't open it" and the bag itself has THIS IS A BAG OF poo poo printed on it, would you still need to open it and take a big whiff before you figured out it was full of poo poo?
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I think there's a difference between understanding why someone did terrible things, and forgiving them for those actions, if that makes sense. More than that, there's even a difference between 'holding on to hate' and forgiving someone. You can let go of hatred for someone and move past it without ever actually forgiving them. however, im not a child psychologist, I've never had a kid, and while I've experienced a lot of hosed up poo poo in my life, including from my parents, I was fortunate enough that physical abuse wasn't one of them. At least not from a parent. So I'm not really qualified to get into any of that. just, the whole cult of forgiveness can make it really easy to twist it into 'im a bad person for being mad at my abuser' I was not expecting to get into this in the thread named after chio-chan.
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Endorph posted:I think there's a difference between understanding why someone did terrible things, and forgiving them for those actions, if that makes sense. More than that, there's even a difference between 'holding on to hate' and forgiving someone. You can let go of hatred for someone and move past it without ever actually forgiving them. I think understanding leads to forgiveness, at least in part. Also though in a lot of cases separation and isolation from abusers is better for all parties than having some big forgiveness session that makes you feel better at the time but lapses into old behaviours quickly. I dunno. Also also more related to orvs post and more based on feeling than statistic: vengeance and retribution is way more ensconced in the American psyche than mercy and forgiveness in a way that only perpetuates violence and abuse. Not to say that the onus of fixing the world is on the abused, more a general observation on something that has real repercussions for things like the justice and prison systems, broken foundations that create further abuse and destruction through neglect and active malice. Our folk heroes were rebels and vigilantes and we continue to idolize hard and tough justice at any cost to this day. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 26, 2018 |
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Everything Burrito posted:A bunch of people saying wow this is repulsive + that description is pretty self-evident imo Opening that bag of poo poo is human nature and I dont doubt for an instant that 50% of the people on this forum would put thier head inside and take a check.
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