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Fart City posted:How does a top rope double footstomp like the Warrior's Way or Coup De Grace work, mechanically? I can't figure out how it's taken, because there doesn't seem to be any way to like "pull" it to reduce the impact on the recipient. DeathChicken posted:Way I've heard it, it always hurts like hell even if the guy is pulling it (which you'd attempt by falling back on your rear end as soon as your feet touch). It's the classic wrestling dilemma, sometimes stuff just loving hurts, but it's pro wrestling so it has to be fake, right?
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The only way to soften it is to do it like a box jump where you engage the leg, glute, and hip muscles to try and land as softly as possible. I imagine it's pretty loving hard to time coming off the top rope. It's hard enough to time just jumping onto the box.
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Jul 2, 2018 03:55
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Fart City posted:How does a top rope double footstomp like the Warrior's Way or Coup De Grace work, mechanically? I can't figure out how it's taken, because there doesn't seem to be any way to like "pull" it to reduce the impact on the recipient. Go watch the finish of AJ Styles vs Finn Balor at TLC. You can hear AJ's organs liquefying. It's kinda bizarre because like, the way Finn HAS to do the Coup de Grace, it doesn't even look that good. 1916 or Dreamcast would be a much better and safe finisher so why go with the thing that A) Looks kinda janky and B) Still hurts like hell.
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Jul 2, 2018 04:01
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Question about Almas - do Hunico and La Sombra actually have meaningful history or was that just WWE going "hey they're both hispanic, smack 'em together."
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Jul 2, 2018 04:09
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VJeff posted:Question about Almas - do Hunico and La Sombra actually have meaningful history or was that just WWE going "hey they're both hispanic, smack 'em together." I don't think they ever wrestled in Mexico.
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Fart City posted:How does a top rope double footstomp like the Warrior's Way or Coup De Grace work, mechanically? I can't figure out how it's taken, because there doesn't seem to be any way to like "pull" it to reduce the impact on the recipient. You know that trick where you walk on someones foot but do it in such a way that the person barely feels anything? It's like that. But I've heard Finn's version usually hurts like hell.
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Jul 2, 2018 04:29
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There's a reason why only guys who use that finisher are lightweights. I think Low Ki's looks better generally, as much as I dislike giving him credit.
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Jul 2, 2018 04:59
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Tato posted:There's a reason why only guys who use that finisher are lightweights. I think Low Ki's looks better generally, as much as I dislike giving him credit. Fit Finlay used to do it!
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Jul 2, 2018 05:14
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Tato posted:There's a reason why only guys who use that finisher are lightweights. I think Low Ki's looks better generally, as much as I dislike giving him credit. That's probably because he gives significantly less of a gently caress about his opponent's' well-being than Finn does.
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Jul 2, 2018 06:28
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Germansimp posted:That's probably because he gives significantly less of a gently caress about his opponent's' well-being than Finn does. I can think of one person off the top of my head he's hurt with it, Jay Lethal. Maybe there was another in TNA? That's a pretty good track record with that move.
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Jul 2, 2018 06:33
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Things like that always puzzle me with wrestling. Why Choose a finisher like that. I mean Ember Moon has been doing the eclipse for ever and it cant be good to your tailbone. If regular safe leg drop hosed Hogans hips what will her future be like? In same token my Question is.. how in the earth anybody ever accept to take Steiners screwdriver? Scott is and was always somebody who took liberties and that rep surely spread around. One fuckup with that driver and your done for life?
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Jul 2, 2018 08:20
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Because you're taking it either way so you might as well do all you can to assure he kinda likes you
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Jul 2, 2018 10:15
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TheCool69 posted:Things like that always puzzle me with wrestling. Why Choose a finisher like that. It gets a pop and few other people are doing it I guess.
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Jul 2, 2018 10:23
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I'm surprised anyone in WWE allows that jumping stomp move. They don't let anyone but a handful of people do piledrivers but if you gently caress up that stomp, you could do almost as much damage. In retrospect, I don't know what they were thinking with Orton's punt kick.
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Jul 2, 2018 13:30
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They are reactive rather than proactive. Piledriver ban is cause of the the Austin Owen incident. Muscle Buster is is basically a suplex, but there it goes cause of Tyson Kid incident. Shooting star press was gone for a while because of injury. Brain busters seem to be gone along with the punt and previously the curb stomp solely due to the implication of the names and their effects as shown in kayfabe. GTS is gone now because of an injury as well. WWE waits for something to happen first most of the time. As an addendum, I would also point out that while head injury has become something of a cause in recent years, bodily injury seems to still be being seen as a cost of playing the game. Stuff that hurts is fine, stuff that injures is more of an issue, but if it ain’t the head or the neck, it seems to be generally overlooked as part of the business. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jul 2, 2018 |
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Jul 2, 2018 13:35
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If you can move your toes you're fine
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Jul 2, 2018 13:46
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remusclaw posted:They are reactive rather than proactive. Piledriver ban is cause of the the Austin Owen incident. I thought the piledriver ban finally came into effect after Triple H got a stinger from Undertaker? The irony of course being that the only person who was allowed to continue using a piledriver after that was... the Undertaker! Although maybe it was more a straw that broke the camel's back type of thing?
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Jul 2, 2018 14:12
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I admit the inciting incident in my post was more of an assumption than anything else. I always questioned when it came into effect myself as I remember Farooq pile driving the poo poo out of the Rock during the Nation internecine dealy, and Shawn Michaels occasionally using a driver on the steel steps. I just kind of assumed it was greatly discouraged for a while before becoming a one or two guys only deal. Taker didn't use the tombstone for a good long time as the Baddass did he? I know they gave him a goofy animation for it in the video games, but I don't remember his finishing with it for most of that run.
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Jul 2, 2018 14:19
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Wikipedia says it was banned in 2000 (with a link to a source that no longer exists). That was a year after Austin had neck surgery due to problems from Owen's piledriver. The timeline makes sense; Austin wasn't healing properly from the surgery so they banned piledrivers, 3 years after the incident. Does Lawler still wrestle and do the piledriver? I saw him locally about four or five years ago. I've heard he was back to working not long after his on air heart attack but that was a while back too.
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Jul 2, 2018 14:22
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Lawler has always used the Piledriver as far as I can tell except where it is explicitly prohibited, so WWE where he uses his second rope fist drop and that show where he threw fire at Joey Ryans dick. He also does the old guy indy stunner that Terry Funk uses as well.
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Jul 2, 2018 14:25
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remusclaw posted:I admit the inciting incident in my post was more of an assumption than anything else. I always questioned when it came into effect myself as I remember Farooq pile driving the poo poo out of the Rock during the Nation internecine dealy, and Shawn Michaels occasionally using a driver on the steel steps. I just kind of assumed it was greatly discouraged for a while before becoming a one or two guys only deal. He debuted the Last Ride powerbomb instead of the Tombstone as Bikertaker
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Jul 2, 2018 14:38
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remusclaw posted:Lawler has always used the Piledriver as far as I can tell except where it is explicitly prohibited, so WWE where he uses his second rope fist drop and that show where he threw fire at Joey Ryans dick. He also dos the old guy indy stunner that Terry Funk uses as well. The fireball was because he'd just had a stroke, apparently. The original plan was the piledriver. And it's still lame that he never got to give Cole the piledriver, which would've been the only payoff to make the heel Cole thing worth it.
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Jul 2, 2018 14:39
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when the gently caress did wikipedia eliminate wrestling finishers from their wrestler bio pages
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Jul 2, 2018 14:43
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Before Kevin Steen came to WWE, didn't he and Lawler have a match in some Indy to see who had the best piledriver?
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Jul 2, 2018 14:52
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I'm pretty sure Tommy Dreamer was doing pile drivers in his wwe run.
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Jul 2, 2018 15:39
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Thanks everybody for following up on my question. Kinda nuts that it’s pretty much just a real-deal footstomp, fingers crossed you don’t break your sternum.
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Jul 2, 2018 16:39
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There are various categories of wrestling moves, ranging from "really doesn't hurt at all" to "you'll be sore but shouldn't do any real damage" to "sure there's a chance you'll die but so must we all someday."
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Jul 2, 2018 16:59
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I hate footstomps because they don't even look that bad, but apparently they hurt really bad when worked, which is the opposite of how wrestling moves should be.
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FunMerrania posted:I'm pretty sure Tommy Dreamer was doing pile drivers in his wwe run. He did as him and RVD recreated the rob jumps 10 foot into the air on impact spot.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I hate footstomps because they don't even look that bad, but apparently they hurt really bad when worked, which is the opposite of how wrestling moves should be.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I hate footstomps because they don't even look that bad, but apparently they hurt really bad when worked, which is the opposite of how wrestling moves should be. wow really? thats consistently the fakest looking part of wrestling, i would've never guessed.
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jesus WEP posted:yeah this is my exact feeling on the Coup de Grace, and also the announcers pronounce it wrong I think 90% of my problems with Finn matches are the dumb footstomp, honestly I'd rather him have one of those "give yourself a rock bottom" finishers over that
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Jul 2, 2018 17:42
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I hate footstomps because they don't even look that bad, but apparently they hurt really bad when worked, which is the opposite of how wrestling moves should be. It's the Shane's Punches of foot based finishers.
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Jul 2, 2018 17:44
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1916 is a better finisher in general, except I guess they don't like quasi-brainbusters either
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Jul 2, 2018 17:49
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I have never heard specifically that brain busters are banned, but I have noticed that they tend to disappear from movesets when a guy enters the WWE, so it is a valid assumption I think.
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Jul 2, 2018 17:51
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Brainbusters are allowed, you just have to be too weak to hold your opponent up for a vertical suplex.
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O'Reilly and Ricochet have done a few brainbusters recently in NXT. Really just suplexes landing high on the back, but they've called them that in commentary.DeathChicken posted:1916 is a better finisher in general, except I guess they don't like quasi-brainbusters either Finn also weighs 125 pounds and regularly wrestles Braun Strowman so he needs something else too.
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MassRafTer posted:I can think of one person off the top of my head he's hurt with it, Jay Lethal. Maybe there was another in TNA? That's a pretty good track record with that move. I'm fairly certain he injured one of the Special K kids with it, but my comment was more based on Low Ki being a stiff gently caress in general rather than specifically with the stomp.
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Jul 2, 2018 18:24
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How much do wrestling rings cost?
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I forget who it was that had a neat powerbomb finisher and they wouldn't let him do it because "Can you reliably do this to Triple H? If not you can't use it"
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