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Hyper Crab Tank: Feb 10, 2014; The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Thoatse posted:

Nothing to do with your post but thought this Crab Tank might catch your fancy

If only there was some way I could spend $300 to have this in a video game! About space!

e: This taxxe is symbolic of something, I'm sure.

Hyper Crab Tank fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jul 3, 2018

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Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Koil posted:

# ? Jul 3, 2018 18:52

Strangler 42: Jan 8, 2007; SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Anyone share the Glassdoor review from the leaver yet?

"JP" posted:

I worked at Cloud Imperium Games full-time (More than 5 years)

Pros

I really enjoyed my initial time working at CIG / F42, I had a lot of freedom and essentially unlimited scope to make the best product I could, later that changed but the first couple of years working on the physics model and pushing CryEngine/Lumberyard to the limits were absolutely amazing. I really got to use all my varied and fairly niche skills, ranging from C++ to 3D math and advanced physics, which is extremely rare in my industry. I had a great team working with me and those guys went above and beyond for both the business and me personally, doing more than I've ever seen developers in any other company do. The community were also super supportive and I loved interacting with them and updating them in the community forums on a near daily basis.

Cons

After the initial enthusiasm and glow of the first three years things began to take a sour turn. The model we had created was amazing, it actually worked even better than we had been expecting, many colleagues internally and the wider community complemented our team's work. However later we were forced to change architecture part way through development, which in game design is never a good thing, but we were managing it well. Sadly it then turned out that other aspects of the game connected to what we had been developing already for the initial three years were essentially technically unfeasible given current and even near-future levels of technology, basically making my role and my entire team redundant. Even worse this completely ruined the work we had been doing up to that point, which many people in the community openly commented on as the quality of the product noticeably dropped, and this lead my team to feel very frustrated.

Advice to Management

The scope of the project needs to be massively reigned in, and realistic expectations of what will actually be delivered in the next decade or two need to be communicated honestly and clearly to the community supporting the business. There's no point wasting huge amounts of money, time and resources (+ community goodwill) hiring top-end specialists and starting projects when you don't even know what you want the finished product to look like or if it's even technically feasible.

Micromanagement is also a massive issue, having to have almost every other line of code personally signed off not just by your line manager and local QA teams but by the directors themselves is frankly ridiculous, and not a development methodology I've ever encountered in this industry previously, I'm not even sure it can ever be effective.

That said please keep up the passion and the dream alive, it really is an amazing environment and hopefully in a decade or so the original dream can finally be realized! I'd definitely recommend if you get the opportunity to intern or work at CIG earlier in your career, just to be exposed to the bleeding edge and to work with people who really do genuinely love their product, unlike a lot of other more cynical companies in this industry.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 18:55

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

mp5 posted:

Has anybody heard anything about X4? Apparently that is coming out this year and might be a fun massive space game after the disappointment of X Rebirth.

"Cautiously Optimistic"

# ? Jul 3, 2018 18:58

Dementropy: Aug 23, 2010

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:04

Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

Wow, this is too good :five:

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:04

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

hot balls man no homo posted:

realistic expectations of what will actually be delivered in the next decade or two need to be communicated honestly

The next decade or two. Holy poo poo.

And that's someone working for CIG being optimistic.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:05

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

hot balls man no homo posted:

Anyone share the Glassdoor review from the leaver yet?

I'll take that one with a grain of salt.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:05

Drunk Theory: Aug 20, 2016; Oven Wrangler

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

I didn't even make the original request and that's amazing.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:06

Spatial: Nov 15, 2007

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

lmao

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:06

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

hot balls man no homo posted:

Micromanagement is also a massive issue, having to have almost every other line of code personally signed off not just by your line manager and local QA teams but by the directors themselves is frankly ridiculous, and not a development methodology I've ever encountered in this industry previously, I'm not even sure it can ever be effective.

CIG are operating on like early 90s waterfall methodology.

Managers shouldn't even be looking at PRs much less people on QA or directors.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:06

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

gently caress when I saw the croberts bear posts I was thinking about suggesting somebody make it into doomguy's face

And you went and did it on your own :allears:

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:07

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Daztek posted:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/feedback-economy/1294525

"We want to make stuff more expensive but are kinda ashamed of it"

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:08

SoftNum: Mar 31, 2011

Is persistence even at a point where econ discussions make sense? I thought when you logged off you lost all your space bucks and junk?

Can you even buy space junk?

Is there a comprehensive place which fact-based information on what is in actual fact real in the game right now?

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:13

G0RF: Mar 19, 2015; Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Zaphod42 posted:

I was wondering the same thing. I thought any kind of ship lending mechanics weren't implemented yet? Can you actually do this now?

Funny, I just heard Twerk discussing this issue in a random checkup on his recent stream, and particularly the fact that even if someone spawns a Prospector for you to play with, you still can�t mine with it unless it belongs to you.

Chris was making �not a valid point�, which is the polite way of saying something else...

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:18

Morphix: May 21, 2003; by Reene

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

this is amazing, wish I had the abilities to insert one of the noodlemen into the scene

edit- or that one event horizon noodlemen that was teleporting from the cockpit towards the camera

Morphix fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 3, 2018

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:18

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

SoftNum posted:

Is persistence even

Lolno.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:20

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

EvilMerlin posted:

My best bud served on boomers for 9 years. Crazy SOB.

People think I'm crazy for teaching Afghani's and Iraqi's to fly to defend their own country, you Navy pukes on radioactive sewer pipes are loving nuts.

Ookie cookies included.

Oh poo poo I forgot you are the deluded frontier forums dude who claimed to be top gun and having piloted more aircraft than there are planes in War Thunder, correct?

fake e: Thanks Mirificus.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:22

Hav: Dec 11, 2009; Fun Shoe

Morphix posted:

this is amazing, wish I had the abilities to insert one of the noodlemen into the scene

edit- or that one event horizon noodlemen that was teleporting from the cockpit towards the camera

You started me down a Dali hole, and I found this.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:26

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

Small nitpick: It should track the % levels of argon.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:30

Strangler 42: Jan 8, 2007; SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Colostomy Bag posted:

I'll take that one with a grain of salt.

It does feel too truthful to be real, but at the same time I'd expect any professionals that are leaving CIG to try to explain that they knew CIG was in trouble before the whole thing crashes and burns. If you're still working there when the ship goes down, then you have to explain why you didn't leave earlier, why you didn't stop things from going bad, how none of it is your fault. It's a big stain on your rep if you're caught in the shitstorm.

If you can get out earlier then you can avoid all that and explain how you weren't at fault for the game failing and you were enough of a professional to see the cracks in the hull before everyone else.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:32

Virtual Captain: Feb 20, 2017; Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.

I heard there was a way to bug the ONE WORKING MINING SHIP into working for someone other than the original owner; but it may have just been BoredGamerUK lying through his teeth again.

quote:

https://youtu.be/HJqM6hky5Fk?t=149

if you talk to someone on your server or for them some alpha UEC for the use of their prospector say and then set up a transport service beacon where they will literally pick you up and take you to somewhere else with the ship and then let you have it afterwards that works but has worked for me pretty much every time I've done it

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:35

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

thanks for a terrific laugh on my b-day.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:43

Koil: Jun 24, 2005; two weeks

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

jesus christ lol

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:46

Dark Off: Aug 14, 2015

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:48

Koil: Jun 24, 2005; two weeks

Dark Off posted:

today has been a good crobbers day

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:49

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

hot balls man no homo posted:

It does feel too truthful to be real, but at the same time I'd expect any professionals that are leaving CIG to try to explain that they knew CIG was in trouble before the whole thing crashes and burns. If you're still working there when the ship goes down, then you have to explain why you didn't leave earlier, why you didn't stop things from going bad, how none of it is your fault. It's a big stain on your rep if you're caught in the shitstorm.

If you can get out earlier then you can avoid all that and explain how you weren't at fault for the game failing and you were enough of a professional to see the cracks in the hull before everyone else.

All understandable. My problem is the "don't burn down bridges" thing.

Maybe he is in a place that he can do that. Maybe he isn't.

Does add some fuel to the fire.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:50

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:52

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Hav posted:

"Cautiously Optimistic"

Yesss!

# ? Jul 3, 2018 19:59

The Saddest Robot: Apr 17, 2007

Wait you can't steal someone else's mining ship unless you've paid real money?

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:06

The Saddest Robot: Apr 17, 2007

I mean without resorting to bugs/workarounds

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:07

Strangler 42: Jan 8, 2007; SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Colostomy Bag posted:

All understandable. My problem is the "don't burn down bridges" thing.

Maybe he is in a place that he can do that. Maybe he isn't.

Does add some fuel to the fire.

Yeah, but that bridge leads back to a radioactive hellscape that will become the biggest crowdfunding disaster in history. The games industry is pretty small so I understand not wanting to get yourself labeled as someone that shits all over their old employers. But Star Citizen is going to become legendary in gaming circles so future employers are going to know exactly where you're coming from and are going to have questions.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:19

SCSUcksDealwithit: Jun 29, 2018; by R. Guyovich

hot balls man no homo posted:

Anyone share the Glassdoor review from the leaver yet?

Its probably fake. JP never had a team he worked remote. The reason he was quitting was they were forming a team.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:20

Agony Aunt: Apr 17, 2018; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

The Saddest Robot posted:

Wait you can't steal someone else's mining ship unless you've paid real money?

You can steal, but as soon as you log off you will lose it. At least i think so. I could be wrong, because i have no loving clue.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:21

Agony Aunt: Apr 17, 2018; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

G0RF posted:

Funny, I just heard Twerk discussing this issue in a random checkup on his recent stream, and particularly the fact that even if someone spawns a Prospector for you to play with, you still can�t mine with it unless it belongs to you.

Chris was making �not a valid point�, which is the polite way of saying something else...

Oh, apparently i was wrong... business as usual then.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:24

downout: Jul 6, 2009

quote:

what will actually be delivered in the next decade or two

quote:

what will actually be delivered in 2028 or 2038

CIG will implement AI around the same time I can buy it from walmart. Space too.

# ? Jul 3, 2018 20:24

Morphix: May 21, 2003; by Reene

The Saddest Robot posted:

Wait you can't steal someone else's mining ship unless you've paid real money?

would a youtube video of the developers saying it's going to be in the next patch alleviate your fear? I can send you the 2015, 16, 17 or even 2018 versions. All quality productions of the best drat space sim.