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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1012835867889717248

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GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo


quote:

Trump has fantasized about a red wave that will sweep even more Republicans into power in November and reinforce his rule. But the real red wave may be democratic socialism’s growing political influence, especially among young people.

nytimes ... good?

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
the failing NPR

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/1013236183030161408

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1013599061658820609

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

quote:

Mr. Schmitz is a senior editor at First Things.

hmmm lemme google that

wikipedia posted:

First Things is an ecumenical, conservative and, in some views, neoconservative[1][2][3][4][5] religious journal aimed at "advanc[ing] a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society".

awesome, this should be some real galaxy brain poo poo

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

pussy grabbin' is the highest of family values

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


rape and incest are american family values

huh
you don't say
:thunk:

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

That's a hell of a ratio

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007


quote:

A third model can be found among working-class whites, blacks and Hispanics — let’s call it purple. In these families, bonds between mothers and children are prized above those between couples. Unstable relationships are the norm, and fathers quickly end up out of the picture.


lmao

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069




Clapping Larry

Comrade Daou is back in that good trip calling this poo poo out

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1013732406006820869

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's loving hilarious watching someone else say the quiet part loud this time. (IE: that none of the rules matter to a white man, preferably with money)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's loving hilarious watching someone else say the quiet part loud this time. (IE: that none of the rules matter to a white man, preferably with money)

*after dozens of charismatic preacher sex scandals*

I can't believe the hypocrisy here!

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

This comes perilously close to trolling ITT, I post them here simply because they show how fucky the Trumpiffs are. At least fans of "economics is all lies" will get some choice bullshit?

Paul Krugman - Trump's Potemkin economy

quote:

It’s really worth reading the submission by General Motors to the Commerce Department, urging a reconsideration of a tariff policy that “risks undermining GM’s competitiveness against foreign auto producers” and “will be detrimental to the future industrial strength and readiness of manufacturing operations in the United States.” In other words, “Don’t you understand global supply chains, you idiot?”

Link to that referenced doc

Trump vs. the Hog Maker

Harley-Davidson, the famed manufacturer of “hogs” — big motorcycles — made headlines this week when it announced that it would be moving some of its production out of the U.S. in the face of the growing tariff war between America and the European Union.

And Donald Trump made more headlines when he lashed out at a company “I’ve been very good to,” accusing of having “surrendered” to Europe. So he threatened it with punishment: “They will be taxed like never before.”

Now, in general I’m suspicious of news analyses, especially but not only in economics, that rely a lot on a supposedly revealing anecdote (such as, for example, analyses based on conversations with Trump supporters in diners). And the truth is that while Harley-Davidson may be something of an icon, it isn’t a big player in the U.S. economy. At the end of last year its motorcycle segment employed around 5,000 workers; that’s not much in an economy where around 250,000 people are hired every working day.

Nonetheless, I think the Harley story is one of those anecdotes that tells us a lot. It’s an early example of the incentives created by the looming Trumpian trade war, which will hurt many more American companies and workers than Trump or the people around him seem to realize. It’s an indication of the hysterical reactions we can expect from the Trump crew as the downsides of their policies start to become apparent — hysteria that other countries will surely see as evidence of Trump’s fundamental weakness.

And what Trump’s alleged experts have to say about the controversy offers fresh confirmation that nobody in the administration has the slightest idea what he or she is doing.

About that trade war: So far, we’re seeing only initial skirmishes in something that may well become much bigger. Nonetheless, what’s already happened isn’t trivial. The U.S. has imposed significant tariffs on steel and aluminum, causing their domestic prices to shoot up; our trading partners, especially the European Union, have announced plans to retaliate with tariffs on selected U.S. products.

And Harley is one of the companies feeling an immediate squeeze: It’s paying more for its raw materials even as it faces the prospect of tariffs on the cycles it exports. Given that squeeze, it’s perfectly natural for the company to move some of its production overseas, to locations where steel is still cheap and sales to Europe won’t face tariffs.

So Harley’s move is exactly what you’d expect to see given Trump policies and the foreign response.

But while it’s what you’d expect to see, and what I’d expect to see, it’s apparently not what Trump expected to see. His view seems to be that since he schmoozed with the company’s executives and gave its stockholders a big tax cut, Harley owes him personal fealty and shouldn’t respond to the incentives his policies have created. And he also appears to believe that he has the right to deal out personal punishment to companies that displease him. Rule of law? What’s that?

Now, I suppose it’s possible that Trump will, in fact, manage to bully Harley-Davidson into backing down on moving some production from the U.S. At the moment, however, there’s no sign of that.

And anyway, we’re talking about a few hundred jobs here out of around 10 million currently supported by exports, but put at risk by Trump policies. So if we’re talking about a serious trade war, we’re talking about thousands of Harley-Davidson-scale job losses. Even Trump can’t rage-tweet enough to make a significant dent in troubles of that dimension.

So what do Trump’s economists have to say about all of this? One answer is, what economists? There are hardly any left in the administration. But for what it’s worth, Kevin Hassett, the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, isn’t echoing Trump’s nonsense: He’s uttering completely different nonsense. Instead of condemning Harley’s move, he declares that it’s irrelevant given the “massive amount of activity coming home” thanks to the corporate tax cut.

That would be nice if it were true. But we aren’t actually seeing lots of “activity coming home”; we’re seeing accounting maneuvers that transfer corporate equity from overseas subsidiaries back to the home corporation but in general produce “no real economic activity.”

So the Harley incident reveals the pervasive cluelessness behind the administration’s signature economic policy. But it also reveals something else: the deep weakness at Trump’s core.

Think about it. Imagine that you’re Xi Jinping, the Chinese president, who has already been telling leaders of multinational corporations that he plans to “punch back” against Trump’s tariffs. How do you feel seeing Trump squealing over a few hundred jobs possibly lost in the face of European retaliation? Surely the spectacle inclines you to take a hard line: If such a small pinprick upsets Trump so much, the odds are pretty good that he’ll blink in the face of real confrontation.

So the Harley story, while quantitatively small, may tell us a lot about the shape of things to come. And none of what it tells us is good.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Also for reasons of self abuse I'm reading Friedman's new Column and it is a masterpiece of nothing

"Hey, I've noticed we have some sort of problem in western political systems!"

This is because

THINGS

CHANGE

quote:

]Britain’s Labour Party has gone from center-left to quasi-Marxist And the Brexit-loving Tories, having pushed Britain to exit the E.U. without any plan, are now divided and paralyzed over how to implement the economic suicide they’ve promised voters. The U.S. Democrats are fractured between a Bernie Sanders quasi-socialist wing and a center-left wing, but are glued together for now — thank goodness — by the overriding need to defeat Trump.

EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT

quote:

We’re going from an interconnected world to an interdependent world. In an interdependent world your friends can kill you faster than your enemies. If banks in Greece or Italy — both NATO allies — go under tonight, your retirement fund will feel it.

laffo does this fucktard not understand this is no change at all

quote:

These climate changes are reshaping the ecosystem of work — wiping out huge numbers of middle-skilled jobs — and this is reshaping the ecosystem of learning, making lifelong learning the new baseline for advancement.

Speaking of change, this is something Friedman has been saying since the mid 1990s. Good thing school is free and in no way restricted by privilege and the government takes care of all our expenses while in school!!

quote:

Today, though, without those props, the most fragile nations are fracturing, like El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras south of us and in sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East south of Europe.
props being literally "having their governments made all comfy and fine though cold war support of dictators". God, we were such a stablizing force on the world...!

quote:

And this is creating the most relevant geopolitical divide in the world today: the divide between the World of Order and the World of Disorder. In Europe the boundary is the Mediterranean, and in the Americas it’s the Rio Grande.

that's...not...um, dude, don't describe skin shade like this

quote:

And the number of people — now armed with cellphone pictures and directions from human traffickers — trying to get out of the World of Disorder into the World of Order is at all-time highs, producing nationalist/populist backlashes in America and Europe.


Hahaha, holy poo poo dude, Brooks I can imagine is just a calculated troll most of the time, you though, you are just a dumb motherfucker

quote:

If I work at a steel mill and am a member of the steel union Monday through Friday — but on Saturday I drive for Uber and on Sunday I rent out my spare bedroom on Airbnb — are my interests with capital or labor, with more government regulation or less?

CSPAM, tremble at Friedman's mastery of politics!

quote:

I detest Trump’s policy of separating immigrant kids from their parents. But how do Democrats think we’re going to manage the flow from the World of Disorder?

You can provide your own vitriol for this, I just want to point out Friedman opened this whole tire fire of an op-ed by saying the binary choice of two political parties is so over

quote:

A second you can see in Macron or in Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign website. They offer a smorgasbord of technocratic-pragmatic solutions — many of which make a lot of sense but lack any emotional grip on voters.


CSPAM, ARE YOU NOT ASHAMED OF YOUR CRITICISM OF HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN AS THE MOST INCOMPETANT IN A CENTURY?! A smorgasbord of technocratic-pragmatic solutions, Friedman states!!

End: everybody works together to make solutions and community is rediscovered, partisanship is over, DEMOCRATS

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
I want to roast and eat Tom Friedman. Cook him inside of that stupid bull statue in Lower Manhattan.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Gunshow Poophole posted:

Comrade Daou is back in that good trip calling this poo poo out

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1013732406006820869

we must critically support comrade Daou in his assault against the failing, collaborationist New York Times

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


we need to mod that thing into this thing



e: not peter daou, the wall st. bull

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016
https://twitter.com/LemieuxLGM/status/1014300986087653376

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Megan McArdle is scum.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Friedman posted:

If I work at a steel mill and am a member of the steel union Monday through Friday — but on Saturday I drive for Uber and on Sunday I rent out my spare bedroom on Airbnb — are my interests with capital or labor, with more government regulation or less?

lmao

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
It's me, the Uber driver who thinks he's aligned with capital in the slightest way.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
Good test for whether you're aligned with capital is it you have a greater income from investment than from labor

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

lol mcmegan doesn’t know that pennsylvania’s statehouse is red

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

PostNouveau posted:

It's me, the Uber driver who thinks he's aligned with capital in the slightest way.

but you see, as an independent contractor, the Uber driver owns his own business, therefore

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Good test for whether you're aligned with capital is if you are a literal bloodsucking ghoul

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Main Paineframe posted:

but you see, as an independent contractor, the Uber driver owns his own business, therefore

the thing is that friedman is actually dumb enough to think this

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


What you are watching in real time are yesteryear's politically-connected media outlets flailing to figure out what the script is supposed to be now that Trump has hosed up everything. This insistence that there is a deeper narrative to outright crimes against humanity and that we must maintain civility or be devoured are just projections of what Potomac beat journalists have to repeat to themselves every night before they go to bed. It has no relevance to you or me. It is crap written by people whose entire careers are predicated on maintaining good relationships with their singular sources--those in power, whoever they may be.

On that note I am deeply surprised this thread hasn't picked up on NYT having to re-assign a reporter after it came out that she slept with her source for three years:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/business/media/ali-watkins-times-reporter-memo.html

Name Change has issued a correction as of 07:50 on Jul 4, 2018

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Sodomy Hussein posted:

On that note I am deeply surprised this thread hasn't picked up on NYT having to re-assign a reporter after it came out that she slept with her source for three years:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/business/media/ali-watkins-times-reporter-memo.html

yowza

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
lol they didn't fire her

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy


oof

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

lmao

Last fall, after Ms. Watkins and Mr. Wolfe had broken up, she briefly dated another staff member at the intelligence committee, friends said.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
loving your sources is definitely a fireable offense btw. Especially if you're supposed to be the best newspaper in the country.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


I would speculate that they don't want to settle a lawsuit or deal with the optics when they fire her for what will look like a fold to Trump.

quote:

She has said the relationship did not turn romantic until after those stories ran. During the relationship, she continued to cover the Senate Intelligence Committee for The Huffington Post, BuzzFeed News and Politico, telling editors at those organizations that she did not rely on Mr. Wolfe as a source. Last fall, after Ms. Watkins and Mr. Wolfe had broken up, she briefly dated another staff member at the intelligence committee, friends said.

Although her disclosures varied in detail, none of her editors barred her from covering the intelligence committee, or explicitly told her that the relationship was inappropriate.

Mr. Baquet echoed that point, writing, “As she started her career, I believe she was not well served by some editors elsewhere who failed to respond appropriately to her disclosures about her relationships.”

They knew about this for ages and did nothing, and now they are on the hook with her.

E: Essentially if there is one egregious case like this uncovered, there are a hundred more

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Sodomy Hussein posted:

What you are watching in real time are yesteryear's politically-connected media outlets flailing to figure out what the script is supposed to be now that Trump has hosed up everything. This insistence that there is a deeper narrative to outright crimes against humanity and that we must maintain civility or be devoured are just projections of what keeps Potomac beat journalists have to repeat to themselves every night before they go to bed. It has no relevance to you or me. It is crap written by people whose entire careers are predicated on maintaining good relationships with their singular sources--those in power, whoever they may be.

On that note I am deeply surprised this thread hasn't picked up on NYT having to re-assign a reporter after it came out that she slept with her source for three years:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/business/media/ali-watkins-times-reporter-memo.html

she told them about her past relationship with that white house aide when they hired her

the only reason it "came out" was because the Times panicked and threw her under the bus when the government started prosecuting her source

it's mostly just a distraction from the fact that the White House seized her personal communications, searched them for dirt, and then tried to use it to blackmail her into being a government informer

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

wow given the power dynamics its pretty disgusting what went on here

i cant believe this monster used her sources like that

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

PostNouveau posted:

loving your sources is definitely a fireable offense btw. Especially if you're supposed to be the best newspaper in the country.

100 percent. but she's some kind of wunderkind (read: parents have money) and the times will sooner protect its own than exercise actual principles. see also: thrush, glenn

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

It's actually about ethics in political journalism.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

R. Guyovich posted:

100 percent. but she's some kind of wunderkind (read: parents have money) and the times will sooner protect its own than exercise actual principles. see also: thrush, glenn

Yeah, the "they don't want to look like they're folding to Trump" thing might be true too, but the Times isn't above this either.

I mean, they loving should be because they've got a line a mile long of the most talented journalists in the country who've dreamed of working there their entire careers.

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo
If I understand correctly, she broke a story while in college about the CIA. Was she loving someone for that info?

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's actually about ethics in political journalism.

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