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colonelwest posted:That brings up something I've been thinking about, how backers and Chris go on and on about fidelity, and we all imagine it as hamstringing the development, but hardly any of those fidelicious second life features ever seem to make it into the game, and many of them seem to die a quiet death behind the scenes. Commandos can't even engage in riveting trace gas balancing gameplay yet. It seems like CIG starts a circle jerk among the backers about some new ultra-realistic feature that wont use "cheats and trickery" like other game devs, then years after screwing around with that feature they give up on it, and then implement a hollowed out version with the same "cheats and trickery" of other devs just with an extreme level of incompetence. The whole argument that "CIG isn't cutting corners and they are taking their time to make the most detailed and ambitious game ever" continually falls apart before our eyes, but backers continue to applaud CIG for these sisyphean tasks that waste time and money without ever producing anything usable in the game. This entire debacle makes me feel like I'm trapped in a 7-year long episode of The Twilight Zone. Gamers, the one nit-pickiest group of hobbyists who usually see through bullshit like Superman sees through walls, are completely enthralled by the fully transparent lies of the worst non-game-developer fraud who ever lived. Chris Roberts has been persona non grata in the game development community since his thumb head showed up, yet every mumbled, bumblefuck word he utters is sucked down by these morons like it's candy, and they're starved for more. Install and play the "game" and it gets even worse. It's obvious from the first second of launch that CIG has no idea what they're doing, and worse than that, their Idiot King is making sure the few things they do build, they build wrong. CIG codes like cavemen were brought into the present day with a time machine, given PCs to work on, and denied any historical data that would give perspective to their efforts and are instead expected to recreate the entire gaming discipline from the ground up, with no experience, with the dumbest man of all cracking the whip above them. Every piece of evidence connected to this, every piece, absolutely screams incompetence and bad faith. Nepotism, lying about stretch goals, lying in their own TOS, Chris lying in every video and in every interview, stealing almost $200 million from people and building complete and utter poo poo. Gamers were the group that were supposed to be above all this. Gamers were supposed to be "too smart to fool." And I'll be goddamned if the wool hasn't been pulled from my eyes forever, because if Star Citizen taught me only one thing, it's that the ego and self-importance of the "gaming community," and their collective belief that they were "ahead of the curve" intellectually and socially, has been proved 100% false by Chris Roberts. This community was fooled, and continues to be fooled, by a two-bit huckster who's not even bothering to hide his crimes. If it weren't for this thread, I'd feel like the only sane man in an asylum. 
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Scruffpuff posted:Gamers were the group that were supposed to be above all this. Gamers were supposed to be "too smart to fool." Not at all sure how you came to that conclusion. I've spent enough time in Eve to know gamers are just as dumb and gullible as anyone else.
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Beet Wagon posted:Reddit: "Reentry heat effects play when flying backwards into space" There's a quote god knows how many pages ago of a developer saying that reentry effects are tied to altitude and nothing else.
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Not at all sure how you came to that conclusion. I'm not saying they're not. I'm saying that, by their self-assigned identity, they claim to be above it. I say that here: Scruffpuff posted:the ego and self-importance of the "gaming community," and their collective belief that they were "ahead of the curve" intellectually and socially I personally think every group is sprinkled with its share of morons. Still, I'm a little surprised that these freaks are being fooled by something this glaringly transparent.
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Beet Wagon posted:Reddit: "Reentry heat effects play when flying backwards into space" fake, if this was true it would mean that the effects were a cheat and crobearts wouldn't ever allow that.
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I mean it's not even enough to say that Star Citizen's horrifyingly poo poo scam status is "obvious." "Obvious" is not the right word. I need a word for something that's just right there in front of you, something that's beyond obvious. Like if you're holding a basketball, it's not "obvious" that you're holding a basketball, because it's right loving there in your hands. It doesn't need a word to describe its occurrence beyond the fact that it's loving happening right there in front of you in real-time. How much of a goddamed scam this is isn't "obvious" because it's happening right there for anyone who has eyes to see. Look: a scam; there it is, right now. This whole project is truly some "Emperor's New Clothes"-level poo poo.
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Scruffpuff posted:Still, I'm a little surprised that these freaks are being fooled by something this glaringly transparent. It's because "gamers" think gaming is an identity that defines them. So if someone says they're a gamer, suddenly it's like 'oh hes just like me!' You don't see this poo poo happening with movie watching or book reading. I actually think gamers are waaaay more susceptible to confidence scams because most of them aren't confident, so when they see someone who is they assume certain things. What they usually don't do is stand up to the confident person and confront them in their bullshit. And since a bunch of 'gamers', 2 million in fact, have signed onto this project, that means other smart individuals like myself, the gamer, must be seeing the correct version of the world.
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Beet Wagon posted:Reddit: "Reentry heat effects play when flying backwards into space"
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Was Chris really ALWAYS a hack? Did he not even actually create a serviceable game about flying space airplanes and shooting cat people the better part of 30 years ago?
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Come on, you cant tell me Evan Evans has not worked in porn before.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Was Chris really ALWAYS a hack? Did he not even actually create a serviceable game about flying space airplanes and shooting cat people the better part of 30 years ago? People who worked alongside him made that serviceable game. He attached his name to it. We're still suffering through the repercussions of that timeline. That's mainly why he was never respected in the general game dev community, and wasn't regarded as a peer. Obviously he still isn't, or he would have had people jumping to help him fund this "game."
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Morphix posted:It's because "gamers" think gaming is an identity that defines them. So if someone says they're a gamer, suddenly it's like 'oh hes just like me!' I think there could be an argument that there are a lot of folks who define themselves by the media they consume. Whovians, Trekkers/Trekkies, Pottermores, Star Wars fans etc.....
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IncredibleIgloo posted:I think there could be an argument that there are a lot of folks who define themselves by the media they consume. Whovians, Trekkers/Trekkies, Pottermores, Star Wars fans etc..... Goons...
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TheAgent posted:when was the last time consumers won a class action against a game company disregarding class action, Just look outside of the US. If you threaten CIG with legal action in the EU or especially Germany, they usually crumble down. I know a German Backer who even got an "audience" with Crobbler because he threatened legal action after he felt a refund (essentially an interrest free loan) would not be an adequate action to end his relationship to CIG. of course CIG stone walls refunds in germany too. but they have no leg to stand on when it actually comes to the legal business here. everyone with SQ42 or undelivered ships can get a full refund on that item here legally. and its not far fetched to get a refund on star citizen itself.
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IncredibleIgloo posted:I think there could be an argument that there are a lot of folks who define themselves by the media they consume. Whovians, Trekkers/Trekkies, Pottermores, Star Wars fans etc..... The trekker and starwars fan are just subset of the same technology fetishistic nerd/gamer fandom, before videogames that was the best they had in escapist fantasies. I think newer stuff like Harry Potter fans are just part of this new wave of normies entering nerd culture because it's become so loving popular. So they want to emulate it. Not sure what Whovians are. I mean I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you won't find a single trekkie or star wars fan who also isn't a gamer at some level. I don't think you can say the same about Potter Fans. Than again I don't really know those communities, mostly just the gamer group. Maybe the difference is technology stuff, with fiction that looks back to a fanstastical time of Dragons and Magic you don't really have anything to look forward too, unlike sci-fi which has inspired technology/society in ways, and at it's core sort of is prescriptive of future events. Games I think are just the most addictive version of this sci-fi looking forward, because the medium is driven by technology moving forward. How this makes them more gulliable, gently caress me I have no idea. I'm mostly speaking from personal experiences with the nerd community dealing with women, and how loving easily that manipulation happens. Like friends of years and years willing to break friendships because a fat girl smiled at them. And if you can be that easily fooled by sex, I don't see how other forms of social coercion wouldn't work as well.
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Morphix posted:Not sure what Whovians are.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqVc_DbvUmI&t=4322s From the Warframe thread, smart man who has made real videogames explains in plain English the pitfalls and workarounds of making multi-scale encounters. Needs more serialized container culling blockers imo.
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Man, this post takes me back to my "born again" days when I was a kid... It's that weird mix of cult-like religious belief mixed with a sort of Stockholm Syndrome. The OP didn't do a disservice to SC, SC did a disservice to him. (BTW If OP really wanted to reach the unbeliever, he should have started with a word of prayer to Christ Roberts that he send the Holy Spirit of Ben to fill their hearts with the truth, and the desire to pledge more. For as Croberts has said, "Verily I say unto you; wherever two or three Citizens gather in My Name- behold my bugs are with thee as well." 1 Croberts 5:32)  This never happens to me... honest! I feel like some of these guys are close :    Others, not so much:  And still the true believers:  Is this posted somewhere else on SA? I haven't seen it. Do we have a filthier forum thread I don't know about? WHAT AREN'T YOU TELLING ME!! And my favorite:  That dude is already prepared for the eventual collapse of CIG- "we've already got our money's worth, and some of the breakthroughs in this game deserve some recognition!" Wow.
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TheAgent posted:get out I'm kinda disappointed to find out that the Dr. Who fandom call themselves "Whovians" rather than "Whooligans".
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TheAgent posted:also that whole last paragraph man In my younger years I was part of the group that started Necrowombicon, which became PAX. So I saw a lot of this stuff. Gamer groups are stupid hierarchical and you mix that with low confidence and I think it's easy to fool them once you're in the group. I dunno maybe it's changed as I haven't been part of that group for years now. But back to the 'Verse https://www.techpowerup.com/245920/german-court-bans-vague-dates-like-coming-soon-in-marketing-and-sales quote:Vague dates like "coming soon" or "shipping soon" to lure pre-orders is outlawed in Germany, after a Munich Regional High Court ruling, in which a litigant took reseller MediaMarkt to court over excessive delivery delays. Is this good for Star Citizen? Morphix fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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I think people have been doing it wrong. People should be refunding for Squadron 42.
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Bootcha posted:I think people have been doing it wrong. I mean the spaceships you bought are for Star Citizen not SQ42, but since CIG has stated time and time again that they're like the same game and stuff (I think the skadden lawsuit mentions this). I mean you bought spaceships for SQ42, which definitely had a specific release date and now has completely gone away. huh
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Is this posted somewhere else on SA? I haven't seen it. Do we have a filthier forum thread I don't know about? WHAT AREN'T YOU TELLING ME!! What breakthroughs are he refering to? Literally everything that CIG has attempted (and failed miserably at) have been done before, there is nothing in their knackard collection of disjointed sublevels that strikes me as 'new'. Everything they have classed as 'never done before' has been done before, apart from the money gathering techniques, but that's because very few other games companies are as loving bare arsed brazen and willing to lie so blatently about what they are doing. I feel the end is near for this epic saga of non-development fucktardery, everything is turning against CIG and even as it does so, they reach, grasp, tear and rip at the pockets of passers by hoping to snag ever more currency. The talk of ever more features and gameplay will continue, the promises of ever lasting enjoyment will continue to echo indefinitely, but in the end there will be nothing but one community stood agasp, laughing, pointing at the wreck of it, and another community so crippled by goonfear, braced for the heckles and jeers, and then having to tell their partners exactly how much they lost on the game that never was. This post brought to you mostly by 'automatic writing'.
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Morphix posted:I mean the spaceships you bought are for Star Citizen not SQ42, but since CIG has stated time and time again that they're like the same game and stuff (I think the skadden lawsuit mentions this). I mean you bought spaceships for SQ42, which definitely had a specific release date and now has completely gone away. The argument could be made that a spaceship is simply a "reward" for backing the project, which at its inception was SQ42 with Star Citizen as the multiplayer. In which case, no amount of "playable" software has been made of SQ42. That being said, that would require very specific legal language that isn't at the mercy of CIG's responses. I would not suggest a small claims case on this merit.
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Ghostlight posted:There's a quote god knows how many pages ago of a developer saying that reentry effects are tied to altitude and nothing else. Could someone then come to a complete (no-clip) stop then at that point and have never ending reentry effects? Could you EVA out to look at them?
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Bootcha posted:This is probably the most important bit to come out. A lawyer is going to argue that they fulfilled the contract in a contract dispute, regardless of whether they actually fulfilled it.
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Happy birthday to everyone who happens to have a silver liquid skeleton and a nervous system five times more sensitive than average.       
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Scruffpuff posted:I mean it's not even enough to say that Star Citizen's horrifyingly poo poo scam status is "obvious." "Obvious" is not the right word. I need a word for something that's just right there in front of you, something that's beyond obvious. Like if you're holding a basketball, it's not "obvious" that you're holding a basketball, because it's right loving there in your hands. It doesn't need a word to describe its occurrence beyond the fact that it's loving happening right there in front of you in real-time. The Stimperor's New Clothes A Forensic Analysis of Star Citizen, by Scruffpuff
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Morphix posted:It's because "gamers" think gaming is an identity that defines them. So if someone says they're a gamer, suddenly it's like 'oh hes just like me!' We live in the age of identity, in fact we're drowning in it. Everyone is constantly Balkanized on dozens of levels, based on superficial things from race and gender to PC vs console gaming. It creates atomized humans with the belief that identity is a zero sum struggle, there is always the ominous other out to destroy them as a bisexual black female or a straight white conservative male. It's a nebulous struggle for the expression of identity in the public sphere, producing only a vague anger and fear from which no concrete or actionable understanding of the world and power structures that govern it can ever be formed, leaving people isolated and powerless. People feel this dis-empowerment on some instinctual level, but they're incapable of understanding its source, so they paradoxically cling more and more to intrinsically meaningless forms of community in a search for agency and meaning. There are whole multi-billion dollar industries that cater to this, from blatantly predatory things like Scientology and multi-level marketing to the more innocuous renaissance of "nerd culture" entertainment and merchandising. Star Citizen is one of the more comical examples of this. It's a fantasy for citizens to retreat into from the harsh realities of a world devoid of meaning and fulfillment, a replacement for traditional forms of community that have either atrophied or they are alienated from, and a vehicle to feel empowerment through changing the entire landscape of gaming forever. They will be important and respected people someday in this new world they helped create. Star Citizen is a social phenomenon which acts as an easily accessible microcosm of post-modernity, and that's why its so fascinating to me. colonelwest fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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big nipples big life posted:I thought whovians were the characters that lived in dr. suess's whoville 
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Morphix posted:In my younger years I was part of the group that started Necrowombicon, which became PAX. So I saw a lot of this stuff. Gamer groups are stupid hierarchical and you mix that with low confidence and I think it's easy to fool them once you're in the group. I dunno maybe it's changed as I haven't been part of that group for years now. I think it was less "you don't know what you mean" when pointing to that last paragraph and more "You're gross about women, dude."
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Paradox sucks because their DLC is so constant and so god drat expensive. If they dropped the price to 10$ per DLC, people wouldn't have nearly the same amount of hate towards them, despite the good will they earn with good games and constant support. They sale them for far less than that. You just have to wait a few months, and most of the dlc add a whole new system to the game. Personally, I'm okay with highly complex games that require constant re-balancing charging over a hundred or more for the complete package, or around 50 or so with everything on sale, especially the least accessible games in a niche genre, and I'm happy the company has found a way to deliver good products in the new way video games are monetized. I'd be irked if they had a no-sale policy, but you can always wait a bit and just get the DLC for ~50% or more off a few months later. I'm not a huge fan of the "paradox sucks" thing. The financial reality for them might be not having the DLC thing could mean not having a business or not developing the base games for years after release.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:They sale them for far less than that. You just have to wait a few months, and most of the dlc add a whole new system to the game. Wow. You are so wrong you make Derek Smarmy look correct.
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colonelwest posted:We live in the age of identity, in fact we're drowning in it. Everyone is constantly Balkanized on dozens of levels, based on superficial things from race and gender to PC vs console gaming. It creates atomized humans with the belief that identity is a zero sum struggle, there is always the ominous other out to destroy them as a bisexual black female or a straight white conservative male. It's a nebulous struggle for the expression of identity in the public sphere, producing only a vague anger and fear from which no concrete or actionable understanding of the world and power structures that govern it can ever be formed, leaving people isolated and powerless. Gamergaters. I've noticed without exceptions so far that every aggressive "CIG can do no wrong" star citizen backer in their subreddit is also an active gamergater, redpill, the_donald or some various other related group based around angry young white male identity politics.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Gamergaters. Your a loving white male!
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grimcreaper posted:Your a loving white male! Yes.
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