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Davincie posted:theres way mor etypes I bet you cant even name all the types of rear end shot
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Jul 16, 2018 20:13
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that just goes to show that ' rear end and titty shots '' does not cover the spectrum
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Jul 16, 2018 20:14
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From now on instead of talking about fanservice you have to use my rigorously tested adaption of the oakeshotte sword typology designed to describe butts.
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Jul 16, 2018 20:17
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Sharkopath posted:I'm becoming tired of the word fanservice but I dont know why. its a reductive word that shames sexuality for being associated with consumerism. its super buzzwordy because a show can use sexuality in tons of ways and people will just throw 'fanservice' at them all instead of focusing the term onto cases such as a blu-ray release of a show containing a new OVA that's about all the chars going to the hot springs or the beach or w/e. when a mangaka goes, "dang i'm thirsty for volleyball lesbians, i'm gonna make this my living", that's their agency. they wanted to make that. so why do we call it fanservice?
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Jul 16, 2018 20:18
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i think also the issue is that there's 'fanservice' that's like 'hell yeah you can see her titties' and then there's fanservice that's like 'hitsugaya showing up to strike a cool pose even though he has nothing to do with the plot' and then there's fanservice thats like 'the cute girl tripped and acted cute' people just use 'fanservice' to mean 'sexual shots' but then they also use it to mean things that arent really sexually framed but still exist to indulge the audience. like your average one piece movie is 90% fanservice by volume even if it doesnt have much titty. zoro and sanji bickering with each other then casually cutting down some dudes is as much a thing that exists to make the presumed audience happy as a shot of nami's boobs. and also, yeah, there's a diff. between something that exists solely to pander to an audience and something that exists because the author themselves likes it, or even to make a point. fate/extra ccc has a ton of sexual shots/framing of both men and women but the game is actively trying to make a point about sexuality, and also arco wada loves titties, so at what point does it become fanservice. ig you could say the way its framed and how its presented is a factor but lbr not many people are taking that into account.
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Jul 16, 2018 20:20
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The solution is to understand that properly deployed fanservice is good IMO
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Jul 16, 2018 20:21
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Davincie posted:
Sewayaki Kitsune no Senko-san VR and this would make a VR tailfluffing dream that a friend had come true. Project LUX was announced being under works for PSVR last December, supposed to be out this year and that means internationally. This one ought to follow based on reception.
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Jul 16, 2018 20:26
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Davincie posted:that just goes to show that ' rear end and titty shots '' does not cover the spectrum it means a ton of things but people in the harukana conversation are just using it to mean rear end and titties, so far
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Jul 16, 2018 20:37
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Endorph posted:and also, yeah, there's a diff. between something that exists solely to pander to an audience and something that exists because the author themselves likes it, or even to make a point. fate/extra ccc has a ton of sexual shots/framing of both men and women but the game is actively trying to make a point about sexuality, and also arco wada loves titties, so at what point does it become fanservice. ig you could say the way its framed and how its presented is a factor but lbr not many people are taking that into account. that's the rub of it, to me. like, why do we use this super presumptuous word that assumes we were present for the creation of a work? especially in anime compared to manga, there are tons of perspectives and angles at play. and honestly "we're gonna do this for the fans" seems so good and pure to me when a creator just outright says it. everyone calls Bebe's appearance in madomagi rebellion fanservice when it wasn't some magically corporate decision. Shinbo says it was in the initial script when they received it, and Urobuchi just goes, "yeah i saw all this fanart of them together and I thought it was cute!" Bebe has a very tangible narrative role in how she plays the red herring when Homura is searching for the culprit, as well as explaining why Mami is so composed and strong (you could say she really has her head on her shoulders) in the new world: she's not torn apart by loneliness and the loss of her family, she has someone to protect and live for. Ever since Rebellion I've honestly hated the word for how much people just immediately go to the reaction of "ah, it's fanservice" as if that writes off the need to pursue any further thought.
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Jul 16, 2018 20:44
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i think 'we're gonna do this for the fans' is a noble idea in small doses but if you overdo it in something thats actually critical to the progression of the story it can become a disservice to the story. like if a character's served their narrative purpose but the fans like them so you just keep having them hang around without really giving them anything to do, soaking up screentime that could have gone to other characters but also just wasting everyone's time and watering down their earlier impact on the story. that happens a lot in shonen. and some mecha anime. that said i do think people just, really like having excuses to not have to think, yeah
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Jul 16, 2018 20:49
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oh i was gonna take that line out and maybe turn it into a separate post with more pros and cons than just 'good and pure cinnamon bun soft' but i left it in. haha. yeah, agreed
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Jul 16, 2018 20:51
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Does the phrase fanservice inherently pass judgment on the audience?
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Jul 16, 2018 20:55
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chumbler posted:Does the phrase fanservice inherently pass judgment on the audience? it doesnt, but also it kind of does. depends on context
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Jul 16, 2018 20:56
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chumbler posted:Does the phrase fanservice inherently pass judgment on the audience? It shouldn't IMO
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Jul 16, 2018 20:57
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I universally hear it spoken as a negative thing (and pretty much universally w/ the meaning of 'titillating stuff') but don't think the term itself is, necessairly
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Jul 16, 2018 21:00
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all mecha anime should do what king gainer did and have a really awesome character for the first six episodes and then they get written out when tomino realizes they're too awesome and having them around will just make people stop paying attention to every other bad guy and then he apologizes to the voice actor for writing out their character
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Jul 16, 2018 21:00
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The Colonel posted:all mecha anime should do what king gainer did and have a really awesome character for the first six episodes and then they get written out when tomino realizes they're too awesome and having them around will just make people stop paying attention to every other bad guy and then he apologizes to the voice actor for writing out their character gundam seed had a guy voiced by tm revolution who was actually fairly important to the plot relatively speaking but tm revolution charged huge amounts for his voice work so they just killed his character off and now that guy is playable in super robot wars games but only the ones without voice acting and now that even the 3ds/vita games have voice acting hell probably never be playable again
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Jul 16, 2018 21:07
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Is Dr. Ver showing up twice after he really doesn't have any purpose in the story fanservice?
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Jul 16, 2018 21:11
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Endorph posted:gundam seed had a guy voiced by tm revolution who was actually fairly important to the plot relatively speaking but tm revolution charged huge amounts for his voice work so they just killed his character off and now that guy is playable in super robot wars games but only the ones without voice acting and now that even the 3ds/vita games have voice acting hell probably never be playable again That's in seed destiny actually
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Jul 16, 2018 21:12
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Eela6 posted:Is Dr. Ver showing up twice after he really doesn't have any purpose in the story fanservice? Sources say yes!
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Jul 16, 2018 21:13
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Eela6 posted:Is Dr. Ver showing up twice after he really doesn't have any purpose in the story fanservice? the thing about fanservice is that you don't mind it so much when you are the fan being serviced
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Jul 16, 2018 21:17
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Eela6 posted:Is Dr. Ver showing up twice after he really doesn't have any purpose in the story fanservice?
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Jul 16, 2018 21:18
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fanservice insecurity
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Jul 16, 2018 21:18
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Davincie posted:fanservice insecurity
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Jul 16, 2018 21:20
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boob envy
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Jul 16, 2018 21:29
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Julias posted:Sources say yes! Fanservice is good then, got it & Yeah, his appearance in GX is great. I mostly meant the one in AZX.
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Jul 16, 2018 21:31
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Space Flower posted:its a reductive word that shames sexuality for being associated with consumerism. its super buzzwordy because a show can use sexuality in tons of ways and people will just throw 'fanservice' at them all instead of focusing the term onto cases such as a blu-ray release of a show containing a new OVA that's about all the chars going to the hot springs or the beach or w/e. Because the show features both. In the volleyball scenes and some general beach idle scenes, it's all natural and there is no "fanservice" as described, as none of it gets in the way of the narritive. Everyone is in a bikini, no one cares because it is just what they are doing. But the show also features what you'd think more of traditional fanservice, with unnecessary lingering shots on body parts, closeups on cleavage, etc. that would have been just fine framed normally. This show just happens to define a paper thin border between the two, but it does cross it.
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Jul 16, 2018 21:33
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Davincie posted:boob envy *gazes out into the middle distance* yeah...
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Jul 16, 2018 21:34
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Oh god I just wanted to know if the comments saying "this show is pretty gay" also applied to the characters' development and interaction outside of scenes designed primarily for sex appeal or if it was limited to those scenes (as sometimes happens), I didn't realise using "fanservice" as shorthand for "scenes designed mostly or exclusively for sex appeal" was so controversial or implied anything about it being evil for unspecified reasons.
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Jul 16, 2018 21:59
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questions that start discussions, intentionally or not, are good imo
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Jul 16, 2018 22:00
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Expect My Mom posted:questions that start discussions, intentionally or not, are good imo "You ask some thought-provoking questions" sounds great until you realise the thoughts were all about the role of butts in anime (not even about the butts themselves)
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Jul 16, 2018 22:04
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the role sexual arousal and titillation play in media and the degree to which it should or should not is a good question probably
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Jul 16, 2018 22:07
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AnacondaHL posted:Because the show features both. One could argue that a beach volleyball show is inherently fanservicey regardless of anything else about it because they chose to depict beach volleyball instead of not beach volleyball.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:14
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haikyuu's never had a beach episode weird
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Jul 16, 2018 22:15
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Waci posted:Oh god I just wanted to know if the comments saying "this show is pretty gay" also applied to the characters' development and interaction outside of scenes designed primarily for sex appeal or if it was limited to those scenes (as sometimes happens), I didn't realise using "fanservice" as shorthand for "scenes designed mostly or exclusively for sex appeal" was so controversial or implied anything about it being evil for unspecified reasons. Not everything is about you, sometimes. Conversation will flow how it wants to
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Jul 16, 2018 22:23
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https://twitter.com/Anime/status/1018702776371765248 Oh wow! Can't wait to see this
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Jul 16, 2018 22:33
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The Colonel posted:all mecha anime should do what king gainer did and have a really awesome character for the first six episodes and then they get written out when tomino realizes they're too awesome and having them around will just make people stop paying attention to every other bad guy and then he apologizes to the voice actor for writing out their character Nadesico does the same thing, just after three episodes
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Jul 16, 2018 22:34
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Sharkopath posted:Not everything is about you, sometimes. Dude chill, an offhand remark about a question leading to unexpecetdly serious conversation isn't a personal insult, sometimes.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:45
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chumbler posted:One could argue that a beach volleyball show is inherently fanservicey regardless of anything else about it because they chose to depict beach volleyball instead of not beach volleyball. This is a fair argument, and even applies to the entire sport itself. But also if they can't do every summer olympics sport in time they have to pick and choose, so I can't blame them when this concept made the cut.
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Waci posted:I didn't realise using "fanservice" as shorthand for "scenes designed mostly or exclusively for sex appeal" was so controversial or implied anything about it being evil for unspecified reasons.
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