TK-42-1 posted:It wasn't so much getting bored as emotionally manipulating Doc and making him feel like poo poo while having a fun party with friends and drugs while also stealing all his poo poo. It's a pretty good arch compared to say, wanting to play chess. Hey now it is a classic.
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Yeah I really like the Scooby episode. Shaggy and Scooby as the Son of Sam and his neighbor's labrador is hilariously dark but apt.
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Jul 18, 2018 17:31
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HE'S PISSING ON YOUR LAWN
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Jul 18, 2018 17:34
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Please, Groove, just say somethin' to 'em; say a "hi" or anything, just so they'll believe me!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:...and Mystery Inc leaves the possibility that the Groovy Gang could well be canon. Umm, could you flesh this out for me, please?
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Jul 18, 2018 19:03
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah I really like the Scooby episode. Shaggy and Scooby as the Son of Sam and his neighbor's labrador is hilariously dark but apt. They're hands down the best of the stand-ins, followed by Patty Hearst Daphne. Velma Solanas is great as long as you get the joke, Fred Bundy always felt like the biggest letdown. Gimme Jim Jones or Charles Manson Fred.
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Jul 18, 2018 19:44
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I wish they had unmasked john wayne gacy in his clown outfit.
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I like that Groovystein is a citizen of ARGH.
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Both Sonny and Ted show up as zombies in the URGH episode also. Most people probably know this, but it was only on my last rewatch that I realized Hammer and Publick are in the jury during the Monarch's trial. And Trump is attending Wide Wale's party.
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Mantis42 posted:Both Sonny and Ted show up as zombies in the URGH episode also. I've caught a few of Hammer's paintings on the wall in the background in season 1.
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Mantis42 posted:Both Sonny and Ted show up as zombies in the URGH episode also. I read that they regretted adding him to that scene.
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Cojawfee posted:It seemed creepy and weird at the time, but I guess it's kind of funny that a modern art guy goes to arch Venture because he's supposed to and then he gets bored and leaves after his henchmen loot everything. it makes total sense in the venture brothers universe that where organized archvillany is an actual thing that people do, there is an art collective in new york that engages in conceptual arching Ghost Leviathan posted:I think the idea was to make him feel like a product: Promoted, celebrated, then used and thrown away. yeah exactly. instead of smashing into his hangar and stealing his poo poo, they're going to smash into his psyche and steal his self esteem
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Jul 18, 2018 20:53
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luxury handset posted:yeah exactly. instead of smashing into his hangar and stealing his poo poo, they're going to smash into his psyche and steal his self esteem Joke's on them, he has none!
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tarlibone posted:I loved it when the Scooby gang showed up. Especially fun was how purely twisted everything was, in particular with Sonny and Groovy. "Yours is the veil of blood. Yours is the sword of Michael!!" "Shut up! Shut up! I can't hear myself think!!" And the "Groovy treats" being just a bottle of pills (presumably anti-psychotics)... delicious. Dark, yes, but so fun. That gang tickled me deep down in the dark places where only bad things grow. I read the pills as pain killers. And using his addiction to control him. “I’m siiiick maaaan” withdrawals.
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Boooooook!!!
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Shindragon posted:Huh learn something new everyday. I was wondering why Fred had a gun. Edit: There was also Race Bannon. Too bad he’s dead though. I think there was a commentary how there was some copyright issues using Hana Barbera characters even though they were part of the company. I think they almost could not use Action Johnny because HB didn’t like how Johnny was a crack head. I might be getting some things mixed up. IIRC they started calling him Action Johnny instead of Johnny Quest because of HB and can't just straight up use the original names anymore.
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Johnny is one of the few characters that went from really bad to super good over the years. Especially with the 'you been kissin' your wife's rear end? aaafter i put herpe in there?'
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I think the Dr. Quymn episode is saved by one line. Brock asks Dr. Venture, "So no more teaching chimps to fight, huh?" And then he mumbles in his gravel-y, beautiful Patrick Warburton voice, "Thanks for that new personal low, by the way." It really just sells their friendship in a way that the rest of the series doesn't quite touch on. Like, you can point to any number of moments where Brock demonstrates care for the boys, but how does he feel about Doc? I would sum it up as bemused obligation.
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 The book is real-er My email posted:We have good news! One of your pre-ordered items is now eligible for release date delivery and has been upgraded at no additional charge. Your new delivery estimate is:
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Jul 19, 2018 01:50
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feedmyleg posted:
I came here to post that! It's happening. It's really happening!
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Jul 19, 2018 02:00
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Sorry that's what my post was supposed to get across as well. Book indeed.
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I can't wait until someone gifts me the complete 10 season Venture Bros hyperdisc box set when I'm on my deathbed in 60 years.
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Improbable Lobster posted:IIRC they started calling him Action Johnny instead of Johnny Quest because of HB and can't just straight up use the original names anymore. They did that because they wanted to distance themselves from the johnny quest parody and be their own thing. Cartoon network still owns all the rights of all the old cartoons. Doc and Jackson were told flat out they could use anyone but they decided to make their own instead.
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Jul 19, 2018 02:09
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Cojawfee posted:I can't wait until someone gifts me the complete 10 season Venture Bros Amazon MemoryCube box set when I'm on my deathbed in 60 years. And yeah, nice to know the book will be *here* on the 31st, and not just *shipping* on the 31st. It'll be nice to thumb through it before the 5th.
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Jul 19, 2018 02:46
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Apparently the book is already out in book stores, Amazon is just waiting until the 31st for some reason.
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Mr. Nice! posted:They did that because they wanted to distance themselves from the johnny quest parody and be their own thing. Really? Because I could have sworn I heard them say pretty much the opposite in the commentary of one of the DVD's when we first see either "Action Johnny" or "Red." I thought they said that there was an issue with the rights, and they weren't allowed to use the characters directly anymore. But, while CN does probably own the property, the issue (again, if memory serves) was that they didn't want their IP to be... well, abused, I guess... by Doc and Jackson.
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tarlibone posted:Really? Because I could have sworn I heard them say pretty much the opposite in the commentary of one of the DVD's when we first see either "Action Johnny" or "Red." I thought they said that there was an issue with the rights, and they weren't allowed to use the characters directly anymore. But, while CN does probably own the property, the issue (again, if memory serves) was that they didn't want their IP to be... well, abused, I guess... by Doc and Jackson. Pretty sure it's just something along the lines of they can still use it that way, but it'd really be preferred that they not do that if they're going to make them hardcore drug addicts with weird issues. I think there's even something on material put out after his nickname on the show changed to "Red" that showed his full name was still Roger Bannon - just like it is on Johnny Quest, since "Race" is just his nickname.
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tarlibone posted:Really? Because I could have sworn I heard them say pretty much the opposite in the commentary of one of the DVD's when we first see either "Action Johnny" or "Red." I thought they said that there was an issue with the rights, and they weren't allowed to use the characters directly anymore. But, while CN does probably own the property, the issue (again, if memory serves) was that they didn't want their IP to be... well, abused, I guess... by Doc and Jackson. From what I've heard it's because that's around the time that a Johnny Quest movie started getting pushed around Hollywood, and film rights can muck up things a bit, see the "Bat Embargo" for a good example of this kind of thing
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drrockso20 posted:From what I've heard it's because that's around the time that a Johnny Quest movie started getting pushed around Hollywood, and film rights can muck up things a bit, see the "Bat Embargo" for a good example of this kind of thing IIRC Cartoon Network wanted to do a JQ reboot, made them stop using JQ names to avoid confusion with the new series, and then the reboot fell through and Jackson and Doc decided to just move forward using the alternate names.
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Probably for the best. Doesn't really make sense to have a real cartoon character in the show and then also have a bunch of knockoffs.
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I mean, it's a show where we have both analogues to Scooby-Doo as characters in the show alongside direct references to Scooby-Doo.
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Pershing posted:Umm, could you flesh this out for me, please? Long story short, there's a point late in the show where it's revealed there's been dozens of analogues to the Scooby Gang for over a century at least attracted to the same mystery, from all walks of life and with various talking animal buddies. With variants as wide as an all-male group of monks or an all-female group of cowgirls. (though it's easy to see the gender-swapped analogues) A gang of murderous maniacs who seem to do the same endless wandering thing with more random murder seem perfectly in-theme. And as for the Jonny Quest thing, it also seems like Doc and Jackson both maintaining consistency and being a good sport about it even if CN no longer has the same mandate.
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Heidi and the Yodelers was my favorite as a kid
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In retrospect it may also be a meta-joke about the zillion Scooby-Doo knockoffs, often by the same makers. I think Speed Buggy showed up in the museum episode.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I find it extra funny given Action Johnny and the Pirate Captain imply the Scooby Gang exist in the VB world, and Mystery Inc leaves the possibility that the Groovy Gang could well be canon. Cojawfee posted:Apparently the book is already out in book stores, Amazon is just waiting until the 31st for some reason.
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I always get confused about Johnny Quest, because I never really saw the original and everything I know comes from the 96 reboot where Race had a daughter and half the plots revolved around going through a virtual reality of the shittiest CGI you've ever seen. That and Cartoon Network's first Johnny Quest Parody.
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Wait.. wasn't Toby Danger on Freakazoid? Which was before CN?
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Yeah, Freakazoid! was on WB, not CN.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:In retrospect it may also be a meta-joke about the zillion Scooby-Doo knockoffs, often by the same makers. I think Speed Buggy showed up in the museum episode. Let's hope the new season contains a JabberJaw gag.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Let's hope the new season contains a JabberJaw gag. What does Scooby Doo that we neglect?
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