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Mr. Carlisle posted:Talent exchange program in full swing He might even make less appearances than Brock in both until we're convinced he was a collective hallucination.
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CommonShore posted:Ok here's a question - conor vs max
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Bluedeanie posted:The Woodley Era isn't as bad as you make it out to sound. He has had some bad fights but also good fights too. If GSP had to fight Demian Maia and a cowardly ineffectual Wonderboy then his fights might have been better than Woodley's but not by a lot. I think the depth of contendership is just weak right now by comparison to 5-8 years ago. no champion has ever had 3 title fights in a row as bad as wonderboy 1,2, and maia. there are very, very few champions who have had one title defence as bad as any of those three, let alone all three in succession. woodley has built a case for being the most unwatchable champion in combat sports.
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Jul 20, 2018 09:25
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Marching Powder posted:no champion has ever had 3 title fights in a row as bad as wonderboy 1,2, and maia. there are very, very few champions who have had one title defence as bad as any of those three, let alone all three in succession. Anderson silva?
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Jul 20, 2018 09:59
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pepperchomp posted:Anderson silva? unless i am very much mistaken he had two unwatchable fights against maia and leites and they were not back to back so i don't know what purpose saying his name serves
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Jul 20, 2018 10:03
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Marching Powder posted:no champion has ever had 3 title fights in a row as bad as wonderboy 1,2, and maia. there are very, very few champions who have had one title defence as bad as any of those three, let alone all three in succession. tim sylvia had the awful arlovski and monson title fights back to back. but sylvia is probably the most hated ufc champion in history so woodley's in good company.
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Foul Fowl posted:tim sylvia had the awful arlovski and monson title fights back to back. but sylvia is probably the most hated ufc champion in history so woodley's in good company. that is a loving grim indictment lol. even if sylvia had a third we'd have to stop judging it based on effective striking and grappling (number of unwatchable fights in a row) and start looking at aggression and octagon control (calibre of the weight class they are / were intent on making unwatchable with their antics) and i'm going to have to still give woodley the tedious majority decision.
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Jul 20, 2018 11:47
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Marching Powder posted:unless i am very much mistaken he had two unwatchable fights against maia and leites and they were not back to back so i don't know what purpose saying his name serves Well you said 3 title fights in a row right? Cote, Leites and Maia sucked...he did have some non title fights between that were fun, but those 3 title fights sucked. And they were technically consecutive title defenses so... Edit: i thought he fought Irvin too but just Forrest. Edit 2: I am not saying hes unwatchable. I love Silva, it's just those 3 fights sucked. And they were title fights. Unwatchable title fights. Unless watchin Andy dance around someone til they hurt themselves is entertaining. pepperchomp fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Jul 20, 2018 12:05
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pepperchomp posted:Well you said 3 title fights in a row right? Cote, leites and maia sucked...he did have some non title fights between that were fun, but those 3 title fights sucked. And they were technically consecutive title defenses so... Lol ok
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er, yeah i've got nothing really to say to that. ok.
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Haven't all the big champs caught poo poo for boring fights? I coulda sworn gsp had some boring ones. Or Ben Henderson? Or Aldo? Idk, I'm not defending Woodley or anything cause his last few fights have been dog poo poo. But my mma memory is gettin kinda fuzzy and now I'm really trying to think of some boring rear end title fights that I regret paying for over the years. I just remembered i bought shields vs gsp and that poo poo was boring. Machids crane kick was on that card though. And i think i bought florian vs aldo and that was boring too i think. pepperchomp fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Jul 20, 2018 12:47
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it's so loving cool that cormier knocked out stipe. it didn't even go for a full round but the 3 or so minutes it went on for qualifies it for roty imo. drat. fat dad.
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Jul 20, 2018 12:53
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pepperchomp posted:Haven't all the big champs caught poo poo for boring fights? I coulda sworn gsp had some boring ones. Or Ben Henderson? Or Aldo? Idk, I'm not defending Woodley or anything cause his last few fights have been dog poo poo. But my mma memory is gettin kinda fuzzy and now I'm really trying to think of some boring rear end title fights that I regret paying for over the years. yeah man i'm not sure you're on the same page as me or any of the other people discussing woodley's title reign but that's cool, it's always good to hear what fights people thought were tedious or whatever.
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Jul 20, 2018 12:56
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Marching Powder posted:yeah man i'm not sure you're on the same page as me or any of the other people discussing woodley's title reign but that's cool, it's always good to hear what fights people thought were tedious or whatever. Oh i am on the same page...i literally fell asleep during wonderboy rematch and maia fight. The thing that bugs me about woodley is that he talks like hes the poo poo. Saying poo poo like who wants to get their rear end whooped next but what he means is who wants to stare at me for 25 minutes. Or who wants me to stuff their takedowns for 25 minutes. What happened to the good ol days when brutal bob was fighting to the death? pepperchomp fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Jul 20, 2018 13:01
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Marching Powder posted:that is a loving grim indictment lol. i think the two are weirdly comparable because they've been on both sides of legendary finishes (sylvia getting his arm snapped by mir, the first two arlovski fights, getting choked by big nog, etc.; woodley getting owned by marquardt's incredible combination, the truly vicious koscheck ko, knocking out lawler in the first round, etc.) but they both have wiped away all that goodwill with consistently awful and boring fights.
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Foul Fowl posted:woodley getting owned by marquardt's incredible combination a lil catharsis for us all https://streamable.com/wy6mn
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pepperchomp posted:Haven't all the big champs caught poo poo for boring fights? I coulda sworn gsp had some boring ones. Or Ben Henderson? Or Aldo? Idk, I'm not defending Woodley or anything cause his last few fights have been dog poo poo. But my mma memory is gettin kinda fuzzy and now I'm really trying to think of some boring rear end title fights that I regret paying for over the years. DC hasn't really had a boring fight outside of playing it safe against Anderson Silva. Jon Jones never had a boring fight. Cain, Stipe, and Brock's fights were never boring. McGregor's most boring fight was when he wrestled the current 145 champ for 13 minutes with a torn ACL. Lawler has never had a boring fight. Weidman, Bobby Knuckles, Jose Aldo, Max Holloway, etc. really don't have any bad fights to mention. There are few fighters that have had multiple really dull 5 round fights. Demian Maia. Tyron Woodley. Wonderboy. I'd venture a guess that champs with a lot of boring fights are the exception not the rule.
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jones / osp was an abortion but yeah in general ufc champs loving own and that's why it's so unusual to have such a strong case for hating a champion specifically because his title fights suck to a crazy degree
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Jul 20, 2018 13:10
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Jones/OSP was also potentially the only clean fight JBJ had.
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Marching Powder posted:a lil catharsis for us all https://streamable.com/wy6mn i really wish marquardt had been a great fighter sometimes.
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Jul 20, 2018 13:14
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anderson did deal with people thinking he actually sucked until he killed hendo and there was a lot of backlash after the maia fight in particular
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Snowman_McK posted:I remember when him and Mousassi were let go, there was a sentiment here and elsewhere that 'they don't sell seats on their own' and that's true. It's also true of most of their champions. However, the UFC used to be in a really strong position not only due to having the best guy as the champion, but also the next 10 best guys. That way, you know the champ is legit, and you can know whether contenders are legit. As much as Jon Fitch didn't sell PPVs, Hendricks knocking him out made Hendricks impossible to ignore, ditto for Koscheck getting clobbered by Robbie. You’re right about this. The thing is, the UFC brass must know all of this. That implies that they’ve crunched the numbers and decided a shittier, less fun UFC is the more profitable option, so that’s what they’re going with. That’s disappointing to me. Having said that, cards are, on average, very good, and there are some extremely watchable fighters in the UFC. They haven’t ruined the promotion or anything, but they’ve certainly created a situation where individual weight classes languish and flop to an almost painful degree. Cyborgweight is a loving circus, and not a good circus, but the kind with aging elephants whose eyes are haunted by a lifetime of neglect and abuse.
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Bundt Cake posted:anderson did deal with people thinking he actually sucked until he killed hendo and there was a lot of backlash after the maia fight in particular i think he figured out that he couldn't lose if he never lead, and no one in the division was good enough to make him lead. i also think that he's one of the guys who really changed mma striking because all the guys who watched him destroy people probably were imagining ways to beat him for years. necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
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Jul 20, 2018 14:05
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If Woodley violently murders Colby like he did Koscheck all will be forgiven
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Or if woodley took fights at middle between title defenses and killed them he’d probably be seen in a better light. He’s not really comparable to Anderson imo
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https://youtu.be/Djmqg-en3hs Anyone see this interview with Dana's mom? She is not pulling any punches
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Foul Fowl posted:i really wish marquardt had been a great fighter sometimes. if it werent for the roids and being a dick after that one pancrase fight, id make the case he was
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Foul Fowl posted:i think he figured out that he couldn't lose if he never lead, and no one in the division was good enough to make him lead. i also think that he's one of the guys who really changed mma striking because all the guys who watched him destroy people probably were imagining ways to beat him for years. necessity is the mother of invention and all that. idk i always agree with the theory that he got buzzed by that one punch of maias and thats why he fought like that but he did the same thing to lee murray earlier , evading and not engaging (only leg kicks to win iirc)
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Skip My Posts posted:Or if woodley took fights at middle between title defenses and killed them he’d probably be seen in a better light. He’s not really comparable to Anderson imo anderson also was on the cutting edge of the sport where woodley is proving big right hand and wrestling will always be near or at the top
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Foul Fowl posted:i think he figured out that he couldn't lose if he never lead, and no one in the division was good enough to make him lead. i also think that he's one of the guys who really changed mma striking because all the guys who watched him destroy people probably were imagining ways to beat him for years. necessity is the mother of invention and all that. He and Machida made people aware of things like footwork and counter striking. People started to work with boxing coaches and learned how do more than shuffle/leap forward throwing bombs.
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Bundt Cake posted:anderson also was on the cutting edge of the sport where woodley is proving big right hand and wrestling will always be near or at the top Woodley seems so terrified of gassing that he never actually does enough to get tired. He's like a better version of Derrick Lewis.
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https://twitter.com/MIKERUSSELLMMA/status/1020353533961547777 Apparently Erick Silva was released from the UFC after UFC Winnipeg and he's e. scheduled to be fighting in LFA tonight. CommonShore fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Tezcatlipoca posted:He and Machida made people aware of things like footwork and counter striking. People started to work with boxing coaches and learned how do more than shuffle/leap forward throwing bombs. Even that was advanced for the average fighter at the time. I remember some conversation involving someone, I think it was Nate Quarry who was astounded to learn that not every punch you throw has to be at full power. The idea that you could use a weaker punch (ie a jab) to set up a big haymaker completely blew his mind.
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MysteryNad posted:Even that was advanced for the average fighter at the time. I remember some conversation involving someone, I think it was Nate Quarry who was astounded to learn that not every punch you throw has to be at full power. The idea that you could use a weaker punch (ie a jab) to set up a big haymaker completely blew his mind. Yeah and you had people like Cruz and DJ and lower weights steering guys into their offense with footwork and combinations, Aldo getting a really good jab out of nowhere and the best footwork in mma meant people coming up had to do more than be athletic. Ray Borg is basically just a big, fast guy and he got video game finished because Mighty Mouse is just way ahead of these dudes.
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when anderson was good in fights, he was the best and most unique fighter i've seen. tyron has some legitimate positives and it would be extremely funny and cool if he starches Colby, but Anderson was nicknamed the spider and I think dropped/finished people up with all eight "limbs" of muay thai which is something i'm not sure will be replicated anytime soon. just off the top of my head: left foot: vitor (lol) right foot: okami left knee: bonnar right knee: franklin, chael right punch: griffin, irvin left punch: leben left elbow: ? he hurt henderson a lot witha couple right elbow: fryklund, lutter
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don't get me wrong i like a guy that tries for the big right all fight like the next guy, but i don't think woodley is in andy's category even if they both have had a couple of bad fights
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https://giant.gfycat.com/SnarlingAcademicAfricangroundhornbill.webm
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:when anderson was good in fights, he was the best and most unique fighter i've seen. tyron has some legitimate positives and it would be extremely funny and cool if he starches Colby, but Anderson was nicknamed the spider and I think dropped/finished people up with all eight "limbs" of muay thai which is something i'm not sure will be replicated anytime soon. just off the top of my head: This is neat
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He beat himself with his own dick, dont forget that
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Gay Horney posted:https://youtu.be/Djmqg-en3hs Dana's mom is like capital C crazy I think. They've been estranged for a while. She's been describing him as somewhat of a spawn of satan to anyone that will listen to her for like the last decade I think.
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