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Every word I've written in the past few weeks has been unadulterated poo poo, but I've filled in all the holes in the first half of my first novel. I've passed the halfway mark, after five loving years chipping away at it. Only ten chapters left to finish, holy poo poo I'm gonna loving do this. I'm just gonna keep going and get the loving first draft done already. Let's do this, gently caress yes, right now gooooooooo
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Stuporstar posted:Every word I've written in the past few weeks has been unadulterated poo poo, but I've filled in all the holes in the first half of my first novel. I've passed the halfway mark, after five loving years chipping away at it. Only ten chapters left to finish, holy poo poo I'm gonna loving do this. I'm just gonna keep going and get the loving first draft done already. Let's do this, gently caress yes, right now gooooooooo 
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Jul 16, 2018 04:12
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I tried doing some sketchier art rather than turning everything into a completed picture and I loving hate it. Maybe one day I'll figure out how to not be poo poo at the most basic part of art.
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Jul 16, 2018 06:25
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Stuporstar posted:Every word I've written in the past few weeks has been unadulterated poo poo, but I've filled in all the holes in the first half of my first novel. I've passed the halfway mark, after five loving years chipping away at it. Only ten chapters left to finish, holy poo poo I'm gonna loving do this. I'm just gonna keep going and get the loving first draft done already. Let's do this, gently caress yes, right now gooooooooo gently caress yeah writing buddy i got serious about writing approx. 6 years ago (largely thanks to you and the others who started thunderdome) and i am JUST NOW finally like "aha it's fitting together" so thanks, and yes go do the thing goooooo
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Jul 17, 2018 03:41
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Sitting Here posted:gently caress yeah writing buddy I know that feeling so well. I mean, I pretty much pants a draft zero and outline later, but my zero drafts for four novels are full of huge holes and I've been struggling to fill them in. It took five years to finally figure out how to outline book one so the story makes sense, and now I know exactly what to write next. It sure makes the going easier. What clicked for this story is because its frame is a long love letter to someone lost, I turned all the chapter headings into sentence fragments that combine into the short form of what the narrator wants to say. That's helped me figure out what scenes are important or not, and later I can focus the same way on a paragraph and sentence level.
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Jul 17, 2018 06:21
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 “Behind the Myth of Benevolence” Titus Kaphar this is one of my favorite pieces of art now, it's pretty astounding just how much it communicates with such a straightforward concept
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Jul 20, 2018 06:31
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does anyone else have some good contemporary art they'd like to post/talk about?
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Jul 20, 2018 06:32
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bit of a hard act to follow, mate
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Jul 21, 2018 03:47
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yeah that is a fantastic piece of art
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Jul 21, 2018 05:05
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right now i'm working on a few things but this is the strangest trying to get a native australian forest growing in colourful plastic waste receptacles, i have seventeen species so far and hope to end up with three hundred or so, and then if i can make enough noise about innovation and sustainability and engagement with the byproducts of our throwaway culture, maybe somebody will pay me to arrange them in public to be contemplated by the people for 2-3 weeks
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Jul 21, 2018 05:13
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how contemporary does it need to be because paul mccarthy's painter is one of my favorite pieces of any art ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fw4gYWkXgo i grew up watching a lot of cable access, can u tell i could probably write a whole art hstory paper about paul mccarthy and tim & eric
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Jul 21, 2018 05:25
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avshalemon posted:right now i'm working on a few things but this is the strangest hey, neat
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Question is, whatya gonna do with them once you're done? Could you make that part of the exhibit?Al! posted:how contemporary does it need to be because paul mccarthy's painter is one of my favorite pieces of any art ever Ugh, I'd forgotten about that! It repels me in a way I can't put my finger on. I mean, I guess it's meant to, I won't argue for a second that it's not effective. It makes me think of Don't Huge Me I'm Scared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_HReR_McQ But creepier. lofi fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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avshalemon posted:right now i'm working on a few things but this is the strangest looking forward to the show opening, in a way you will be "throwing away" those ideals. What kinds of plants are they! Is contemporary art defined by its relationship to the present or a certain presumption about its relevance? (or materials? the people who make it, something like that) All art is a depiction of what can only be the past, so the only way art is contemporary is that it can move people, in the present, from the past. FunkyAl fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jul 22, 2018 |
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Jul 22, 2018 04:43
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Also the painting is hella good, its a completely obvious, universal visual anyone can get but it takes a genius to think of that
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How do you all feel about putting your work out there for consumption? Lately, I've been feeling pretty frustrated and discouraged! I have a webcomic I publish every Tuesday and Thursday. I don't have a lot of trouble staying consistent these days, and I have a clear idea of where the story is going, so actually doing it isn't the problem. The problem is that lately I've been feeling like no one really gives a poo poo about it. Whenever I try to promote it, it gets ignored. Like, entirely. I posted about it elsewhere recently and that post generated zero referrals. Nobody clicked the link, at all. I put a lot of effort into curating pages to specifically showcase in the post, too, because I wanted to show everyone that my work is, in fact, good, but nobody even clicked the link. It's very discouraging. I want to be clear, here; I'm not going to stop making comics; there is a lot of personal significance to my work, that's why I do it, but sometimes I wonder why I put so much effort into this poo poo when it feels like I'm the only one who cares at all. The thing is, I don't have any real strategy when this happens. I usually just feel this way for a while and then it passes, so that got me wondering what other people do when it starts to feel like this. Do you guys have anything in particular you do to get yourself out of the artdumps?
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If you want to try to grow a following you could try drawing fanart for popular series you like, especially if those series are similar in tone and content to your own work. That way you'll generate clicks and be able to say 'if you like those check out my comic' If you want critique on your comic and what this thread thinks might make it more appealing you can link to it!
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where you posting it at, how many people follow you and will see it, do you have artist friends who can shill you a little,
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Jul 25, 2018 01:16
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Jul 25, 2018 01:26
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Ccs posted:If you want to try to grow a following you could try drawing fanart for popular series you like, especially if those series are similar in tone and content to your own work. That way you'll generate clicks and be able to say 'if you like those check out my comic' I've considered doing fan art and never find it interesting enough to sustain. I guess being frustrated that my personal art alone doesn't draw attention is kind of silly since that's Just How It Is; you can't just MAKE people be interested in a thing they've never heard of. I should really either revisit the idea or accept that I'm doing this the hard way. But yeah I'd love critique and feedback if anyone is willing to give it! I try to work on improving my craft as much as I can and the more feedback the better. It's at http://bsfantasy-comic.com Tollymain posted:where you posting it at, how many people follow you and will see it, do you have artist friends who can shill you a little, Well, thing is, it was that post in the general webcomics thread about a week ago. As you pointed out, it was probably poor timing. I was all amped up about it because usually I just post a link and head on my way, but this time I curated like 12 fuckin example pages and put a lot of effort into it. And those text only posts got clicks while this one got none. So that hit me kinda hard! Otherwise I haven't been putting enough effort into shilling myself I guess. I don't really know where to go to advertise these days and I didn't know how to get people interested when I did (maybe my project wonderful ads were bad?)
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Fortis i think you should try diversifying your output! bsf's clearly a project youre passionate about and comitted to finishing, but if its the only way people can access your work its going to be a harder sell the longer and more involved the story gets. It doesnt have to be fanart, it could be sketches or work in other media or ideas or pieces from other projects youre working on, or tangentially related stuff from the blasphemous fantasy world, or short comics or whatever! How about a side story where the slug king is a high roller at a casino, trying to attract some casino woman, or a better idea, for example! Fresh stuff that can draw people into the work youve already made. Fortis posted:
You should also not beat yourself up about these, i dont know if theres Really anyone who was sucessful because of forums posts or pw ads. Maybe josh lesnick was but thats because he was selling porn to teenagers. Those avenues didnt work for you but there might be others that will. Its not about the amount of effort you apply, but how effectively you can apply it. I think.
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Jul 25, 2018 02:13
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do you have a tumblr for your webcomic
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People are more interested in the journey, not the destination. I find I get way more mileage and interest out of documenting and posting about projects as they develop than just trying to promote a finished project. Everyone likes to see the triumphs and the struggles as something evolves over time. Not sure how feasible that would be for a webcomic that is updated consistently, so maybe start doing that for any side projects you have going on?
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Fortis posted:
It's not just you. Hell, there's a reason the comics thread has the title it does. I'm going to go against common wisdom and say gently caress fan art, the thing that keeps me going is that I'm telling stories I want to tell, and for me atm doing fan art would kill that really fast. I need to feel like I'm doing my art for me first of all, or I'll end up drawing naruto slash art right up till I off myself. Of course, my stuff isn't exactly selling like hotcakes, so read into that what you will. 
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does anyone here have a patreon? some folks have expressed interest in me doing one but a.) it feels kind of scummy and b.) i wouldn't even know where to start putting one together. what am i supposed to do with this?
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Al! posted:does anyone here have a patreon? some folks have expressed interest in me doing one but a.) it feels kind of scummy and b.) i wouldn't even know where to start putting one together. what am i supposed to do with this? The scummiest thing about patreon, IMO, is that it's still putting money in the hands of some ultra-rich venture capitalists. That aside, it's a pretty direct way for people to support artists they like. there's quite a few artists I follow on Twitter, Tumblr, etc. who have all managed to greatly increase their artistic output just because the money coming in from Patreon allows them to devote less time to freelance gigs and more time to artwork. The majority of the pledges are $1 a month, which doesn't sound like much but those add up and also let people who may not have huge amounts of disposable income still support artists they like in an impactful way. To be clear, we're not talking huge amounts of money here. There's a few high-profile artists who can make a living entirely off of Patreon, but most of the folks I follow count on it for an extra $50 - $200 per month. Doesn't sound like a lot, but that extra time saved could be what lets you step up from a page a month on your webcomic to two pages a month. TL;DR: Like every other artist/freelance focused website out there some millionaire is skimming a bit off of your income with Patreon. BUT it's one of the best sites out there at the moment for creating a true middle-class of artists, offering a middle ground between toiling in poverty and obscurity for the sake of your art and becoming a mega-successful trendsetter.
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Art had subsisted on the patronage system for centuries and I'm very happy Patreon exists even with the commission it skims off the top. Users, customers, viewers, etc who think it'd e-begging or whatever can go soak their heads imo.
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Jul 26, 2018 03:21
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i would draw porn of my characters for patreon dollars but all my characters are sad and fat
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Jul 26, 2018 03:37
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thanks for the advice, i dont have a problem with it even if it was begging its more like i personally have an inferiority complex about my work because i barely show it to anyone anyway
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Jul 26, 2018 03:42
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Al! posted:thanks for the advice, i dont have a problem with it even if it was begging its more like i personally have an inferiority complex about my work because i barely show it to anyone anyway
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Jul 26, 2018 04:49
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avshalemon posted:let's draw porn of each others' characters ah cool can u draw a filthy cyberpunk apartment but with a dick
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Jul 26, 2018 05:03
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holy poo poo check this out, the dev that produced dead cells is run as a cooperative and they even identify as anarcho-syndicalist. this makes me extremely excited https://kotaku.com/game-studio-with-no-bosses-pays-everyone-the-same-1827872972
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What do you guys think the good solutions are for advertising? Ive been thinking the reason tumblr and twitter arent very helpful is beacuse theres not a lot of options wrt who youre targeting the comic too. You can tag things like #comics or #sliceoflife and theres a higher likelihood that youll reach someone, but its all individual people whose interests already fall in that category, who are looking out for it, which becomes ESPECIALLY unhelpful when the comics scene is as diverse in subject matter as it is. So what are the ways to find and direct people who would like your work, to your work? How do you target groups? Personally i want to try buying a billboard in a funny and strategic location but it will have to wait...until the time is ripe Instead of porn i think we should all focus more on casual "hangout nudity," and to this effect i am offering a spectacular prize to the poster who can identify the three pages of duck comics in which nemo the duck's penis is visible
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Kanine posted:holy poo poo check this out, the dev that produced dead cells is run as a cooperative and they even identify as anarcho-syndicalist. this makes me extremely excited that owns and dead cells is probably one of the best games ever made (and it's not even done). as to advertising, i dont know, basically the only advertising i've ever done is post my stuff in the chat thread in cspam which since it is one of the few super active threads in these dying forums has gotten me a decent amount of attention and even a few commissions. so i guess on the internet as a relative unknown with no budget the best way is still to integrate yourself into a pretty vibrant community and hope your stuff gets attention there? when i post on twitter i rarely @ anyone or # anything with it but maybe i should. the problem is like theres a million people posting #pixel_art or whatever that are making 8 and 16-bit style pixel art rather than MSDOS adventure game backgrounds, so it rarely gets any attention (i can't get pixel dailies to pay attention to my posts so i've given up there).
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Al! posted:does anyone here have a patreon? some folks have expressed interest in me doing one but a.) it feels kind of scummy and b.) i wouldn't even know where to start putting one together. what am i supposed to do with this? Ohgod I'm so glad to hear other people feel the same way! I have one, with a grand total of three (3) patrons, one of which is my mum  and I earn $15 a month from it. Even that feels like I'm begging, not helped by a friend referring to it as 'hipster welfare' on my launch post. Every time I release a comic I daintily mention that maybe it exists if no-one's too busy they might like to look at it, and I feel like I'm ramming it down people's throats.I'm realising slowly that a big part of being a Real Artist is learning how to self-promote and actually say 'hey my stuff is good, you should give me money for it'. I've not got much further than spotting that yet, still waiting in my basement for people to notice/commission my genius at the moment. I'm going to an actual zine fair this weekend to at least dip my toes into Selling My Art. It's in a bar, it might end badly. e: Al! posted:that owns and dead cells is probably one of the best games ever made (and it's not even done). I really hope that article isn't just a puff piece - gaming journalism isn't exactly reliable, but as a partner of a programmer I want to believe this can happen.
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avshalemon posted:i would draw porn of my characters for patreon dollars but all my characters are sad and fat You say that as if there isn't a market for fatties. COMPLETELY UNRELATED: I got paid to do art for the first time. Sure its smut but at least I finally made some money. Feels good. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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Internet Kraken posted:COMPLETELY UNRELATED: I got paid to do art for the first time. Sure its smut but at least I finally made some money. Feels good. i've tried to work my way up to doing smut a few times but, i've literally never drawn such a thing, not even a cheeky bj, and i couldn't bring myself to do it
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avshalemon posted:mazel tov! I'd never drawn it before either. Hell, I'd almost never drawn humans up until a few months ago. I only did it out of curiosity to see if I could and then, much to my shock, it actually turned out to be...fun? Its weird as hell but also enjoyable. It helps that most of the stuff I draw is characters I invented solely for the purpose of kink art rather than endless fanart of whatever anime is popular at the moment. Only gonna draw that if someone pays me for it. I actually think, purely from an objective standpoint, that doing this has improved my art significantly. I've learned how to draw stuff I never touched before and developed some techniques that translate just fine to "normal" stuff.
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Kanine posted:holy poo poo check this out, the dev that produced dead cells is run as a cooperative and they even identify as anarcho-syndicalist. this makes me extremely excited sebmojo posted:or draw a dick pic if you're an art, I guess? not sure if it works the same way...?  I swear I didn't time getting around to this to coincide with the thread taking a turn towards uhhh fucksmithing.
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Solid dick action
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