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JazzFlight: Apr 29, 2006; Oooooooooooh!

Kanine posted:

idk why everyone seems confused at the galactic political situation in the new trilogy?

-after retun of the jedi, before TFA: the empire is destroyed, but an imperial remnant still exists and there's an off shoot of the new republic fighting it, imperial remnant builds death-star superweapon because they've been hiding for 30 years and want revenge

-during TFA: imperial remnant destroys the new republic capital planet, resistance destroys superweapon

-during TLJ: imperial remnant tries to destroy last bits of resistance, and starts invading the rest of the galaxy

pretty simple and that's all stated pretty clearly in the films

Okay, but like, it's still confusing to call them "The Resistance" when they're a vague offshoot of the current reigning government. I guess technically they were resisting the rise of the First Order terrorists? It's a bit odd.

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IRQ: Sep 9, 2001; SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

It's weird but I guess they were in a bit of a corner since I doubt there was ever really going to be anything after ROTJ.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 17:43

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

IRQ posted:

It's weird but I guess they were in a bit of a corner since I doubt there was ever really going to be anything after ROTJ.

Largely mediocre to bad EU writers found myriad ways to make it work, so it can't have been that much of a corner.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 17:49

Kanine: Aug 5, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

JazzFlight posted:

Okay, but like, it's still confusing to call them "The Resistance" when they're a vague offshoot of the current reigning government. I guess technically they were resisting the rise of the First Order terrorists? It's a bit odd.

not really? as soon as they said they were called the resistance i was like "oh ok they're like an underground resistance group"

# ? Jul 30, 2018 17:58

DancinBrud: Jul 23, 2007

Definitely would�ve helped to include the �nobody in the Republic believes Leia that the First Order is a major threat� plot point, but it�s all water under the bridge for me at this point.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 18:02

tsob: Sep 26, 2006; Chalalala~

NTRabbit posted:

Largely mediocre to bad EU writers found myriad ways to make it work, so it can't have been that much of a corner.

A lot of the EU covering that period (or any other period) is poo poo, but I do like the general trajectory those works present of a much more gradually weakening Empire in proportion to a gradually empowered Rebellion where the death of the Emperor didn't mean much on it's own and was only one important victory in a series of other important victories like the capture of the Imperial homeworld, Coruscant and the defeat of Admiral Thrawn who was one of the new major rallying points of the Empire at that point to further degrade their control and morale.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 18:06

Madurai: Jun 26, 2012

NTRabbit posted:

Largely mediocre to bad EU writers found myriad ways to make it work, so it can't have been that much of a corner.

Or in many cases, not work.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:02

OptimusWang: Jul 9, 2007

Big Mean Jerk posted:

This is exactly what TLJ showed though.

The only difference is how hesitant Luke was to training her.

It showed him as somebody who had completely sworn off the force vs someone effortlessly wielding huge amounts as casually as breathing. Yoda had a purpose to his being, same as Obi-Wan. Luke in TLJ was just coasting by until he died.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:23

TheCenturion: May 3, 2013; HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS

OptimusWang posted:

It showed him as somebody who had completely sworn off the force vs someone effortlessly wielding huge amounts as casually as breathing. Yoda had a purpose to his being, same as Obi-Wan. Luke in TLJ was just coasting by until he died.

What we wanted: Luke being this incredibly bad-rear end Jedi Master, who finally understood that his presence was helping to sustain the conflict, rather than ending it, so he gracefully bows out, and devotes his life to trying to figure out if the Jedi had the wrong idea, and if there's a better path than Jedi vs Sith. I still maintain that Luke's story should have gone something like this:
1) Luke is all chuffed up from defeating the Emperor, but he's also scared sithless at the fact that he is, in fact, the last of the Jedi.
2) He tries to teach Leia, but she's too drat busy to do much more than pick up a few tricks, like propelling herself through space while holding her breath.
3) He reluctantly agrees to teach Ben, mainly because the boy is so strong in the Force, Luke is afraid for what will happen if he goes untrained.
4) For whatever reason, Ben falls to the dark side. Part of it is that Luke is really REALLY afraid of doing the wrong thing, and overcompensates.
5) Ben becomes Kylo, and fucks off to learn from Snoke. Luke realizes that he didn't have a good idea of what he was doing, and sequesters himself to do the above figuring.
6) Rey finds him, begs him to teach her. He refuses.
7) She starts teaching herself, going from his books of Jedi teachings and what not. He watches, occasionally starts to correct something she's doing, then stops herself, whatever.
8) He has a LOT of late night chats with Chewbacca about all this. Chewy is his voice of reason.
9) Rey gets a vision and buggers off. Luke tries to stop her, saying it's too dangerous, she's untrained, she'll fall to the dark side. She angrily dismisses him, as if he's not going to train her what does it matter?
10) As Luke watchs the Falcon lift off, he hears Yoda's voice behind him. "Familiar, that sounded. Know now you do, how I felt."
11) They have a real heart-to-heart, as equals, where Yoda finally spills out his own anger and heartache over not being able to stop Palpatine, and basically presiding over the fall of the Jedi Order, and of the Republic. He apologizes to Luke for basically training him as a child soldier. He and Luke discuss their various failings, and how the Order should proceed. Finally, Luke says something like "Now I understand why Ben did what he did." and stands up.
12) He goes over to his submerged x-wing, and lifts it out of the lake. Yoda is duly impressed, and wishes Luke well, adding 'See you soon, I will.'
13) Luke goes to the salty planet, whatever the gently caress it's called. In person. Wanders in, has a moment with Leia, apologizes for Ben and Han, and Rey, and tells her that he's finally ready to finish Ben's training.
14) He goes out front. Kylo freaks out, orders a barrage. Luke just ignores it.
14b) Rey, meanwhile, has also made it to the planet, and was charging towards the battlefield, when she stops, and witnesses this.
15) Kylo goes over in person, starts ranting.
16) Luke just looks at Kylo, and when he's wound down a bit, apologizes, and says something like "I have one last lesson to teach you. Will you hear it?"
17) Kylo sneers "You have nothing left to teach me, old man. I am far more powerful than you ever were."
18) Luke gets this vaguely exaggerated look of surprise on his face, like Yoda would have in ESB, and says something like "Powerful? What do you think power is? The ability to choke people with the Force? To throw lightning? To read minds?"
19) Luke waves his hand, and the various AT-ATs are blown away. A flight of TIE/fos come roaring overhead, and Luke waves a hand, and they fall out of the sky.
20) "Ability with a lightsaber?" Luke ignites his lightsaber, and completely clowns Kylo.
21) Finally, Luke says "All of this 'power' I have, and I couldn't even save you. No, Ben. This is my final lesson, this is true power. This is what I should have taught you, and I'm sorry that I failed you." And with that, Luke closes down his lightsaber and spreads his arms. He winks at Rey.
22) Kylo kills Luke, who's robes fall to the ground.
23) Rey is terribly shaken, but makes a point of putting her own lightsaber away, unignited. She turns and returns to the cave, and begins leading the survivors out.
24) Watching them leave are Luke and Yoda's force ghosts. "I hope Rey and Ben have both learned my final lesson, Master Yoda." "Taught it well, you did, Master Skywalker. Leave it to them now, we must. Much good, I can sense in him still. A Jedi Knight he will be, like his father before him, and his grandfather. And she, too, a beacon of hope." "I feel that they will be the ones to end the conflict, and bring balance back to the Force, Master Yoda."

Hell, they could have just gone with the whole 'at the same time Luke is teaching Rey, Rey is teaching Luke' thing. But they didn't. They just literally wadded him up like a sheet of newspaper, and tossed him out.

TheCenturion fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jul 30, 2018

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:52

JazzFlight: Apr 29, 2006; Oooooooooooh!

TheCenturion posted:

What we wanted: Luke being this incredibly bad-rear end Jedi Master, who finally understood that his presence was helping to sustain the conflict, rather than ending it, so he gracefully bows out, and devotes his life to trying to figure out if the Jedi had the wrong idea, and if there's a better path than Jedi vs Sith. I still maintain that Luke's story should have gone something like this:
1) Luke is all chuffed up from defeating the Emperor, but he's also scared sithless at the fact that he is, in fact, the last of the Jedi.
2) He tries to teach Leia, but she's too drat busy to do much more than pick up a few tricks, like propelling herself through space while holding her breath.
3) He reluctantly agrees to teach Ben, mainly because the boy is so strong in the Force, Luke is afraid for what will happen if he goes untrained.
4) For whatever reason, Ben falls to the dark side. Part of it is that Luke is really REALLY afraid of doing the wrong thing, and overcompensates.
5) Ben becomes Kylo, and fucks off to learn from Snoke. Luke realizes that he didn't have a good idea of what he was doing, and sequesters himself to do the above figuring.
6) Rey finds him, begs him to teach her. He refuses.
7) She starts teaching herself, going from his books of Jedi teachings and what not. He watches, occasionally starts to correct something she's doing, then stops herself, whatever.
8) He has a LOT of late night chats with Chewbacca about all this. Chewy is his voice of reason.
9) Rey gets a vision and buggers off. Luke tries to stop her, saying it's too dangerous, she's untrained, she'll fall to the dark side. She angrily dismisses him, as if he's not going to train her what does it matter?
10) As Luke watchs the Falcon lift off, he hears Yoda's voice behind him. "Familiar, that sounded. Know now you do, how I felt."
11) They have a real heart-to-heart, as equals, where Yoda finally spills out his own anger and heartache over not being able to stop Palpatine, and basically presiding over the fall of the Jedi Order, and of the Republic. He apologizes to Luke for basically training him as a child soldier. He and Luke discuss their various failings, and how the Order should proceed. Finally, Luke says something like "Now I understand why Ben did what he did." and stands up.
12) He goes over to his submerged x-wing, and lifts it out of the lake. Yoda is duly impressed, and wishes Luke well, adding 'See you soon, I will.'
13) Luke goes to the salty planet, whatever the gently caress it's called. In person. Wanders in, has a moment with Leia, apologizes for Ben and Han, and Rey, and tells her that he's finally ready to finish Ben's training.
14) He goes out front. Kylo freaks out, orders a barrage. Luke just ignores it.
14b) Rey, meanwhile, has also made it to the planet, and was charging towards the battlefield, when she stops, and witnesses this.
15) Kylo goes over in person, starts ranting.
16) Luke just looks at Kylo, and when he's wound down a bit, apologizes, and says something like "I have one last lesson to teach you. Will you hear it?"
17) Kylo sneers "You have nothing left to teach me, old man. I am far more powerful than you ever were."
18) Luke gets this vaguely exaggerated look of surprise on his face, like Yoda would have in ESB, and says something like "Powerful? What do you think power is? The ability to choke people with the Force? To throw lightning? To read minds?"
19) Luke waves his hand, and the various AT-ATs are blown away. A flight of TIE/fos come roaring overhead, and Luke waves a hand, and they fall out of the sky.
20) "Ability with a lightsaber?" Luke ignites his lightsaber, and completely clowns Kylo.
21) Finally, Luke says "All of this 'power' I have, and I couldn't even save you. No, Ben. This is my final lesson, this is true power. This is what I should have taught you, and I'm sorry that I failed you." And with that, Luke closes down his lightsaber and spreads his arms. He winks at Rey.
22) Kylo kills Luke, who's robes fall to the ground.
23) Rey is terribly shaken, but makes a point of putting her own lightsaber away, unignited. She turns and returns to the cave, and begins leading the survivors out.
24) Watching them leave are Luke and Yoda's force ghosts. "I hope Rey and Ben have both learned my final lesson, Master Yoda." "Taught it well, you did, Master Skywalker. Leave it to them now, we must. Much good, I can sense in him still. A Jedi Knight he will be, like his father before him, and his grandfather. And she, too, a beacon of hope." "I feel that they will be the ones to end the conflict, and bring balance back to the Force, Master Yoda."

Hell, they could have just gone with the whole 'at the same time Luke is teaching Rey, Rey is teaching Luke' thing. But they didn't. They just literally wadded him up like a sheet of newspaper, and tossed him out.

Sir, this is a Wendy's drive thru.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:06

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013

Boy am I glad we got TLJ and not that.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:10

DancinBrud: Jul 23, 2007

Had to stop reading after �Luke is a badass.� I�ll have some fries and a chocolate frosty.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:11

thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

...Jesus Christ.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:11

Burning_Monk: Jan 11, 2005; Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Boy am I glad we got TLJ and not that.

I would rather sit through Werner Herzog reading that for two hours than watch TLJ again.

TLJ was bad, very bad. loving casino planet?!?

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:44

Gibbering: May 24, 2014

Bruh.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:44

Gervasius: Nov 2, 2010; Grimey Drawer

TheCenturion posted:

I still maintain that Luke's story should have gone something like this:

So, how's that "remake The Last Jedi" campaign going?

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:48

tsob: Sep 26, 2006; Chalalala~

JJ Abrams is in charge of Episode IX and there's already talk of him walking back the revelations regarding Rey's parents so while Last Jedi won't get remade, it might be ignored.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:02

cptn_dr: Sep 7, 2011; Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies

When you say "talk of", is there anything with actual credibility, or is it just a million lovely thinkpieces?

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:09

Gaz-L: Jan 28, 2009

Johnson did leave it ambiguous enough that you could do a reveal without it being a plot hole (the only person who outright states her parents are nobodies is Kylo, and lying to a girl in a way that makes you seem like the only worthwhile or powerful person in her life is what every douche like him does in real life) but while JJ isn't the most adventurous writer, I think he's smart enough to realise that that bit was probably the best pay-off.
Because, honestly? There's only 2 other ways it goes: 1. She's the daughter of another original trilogy character, which shrinks the universe even smaller and unless it's someone like Luke (which, given how big a theory that was, the backlash to him in TLJ is BIZARRE, because what, him abandoning his daughter on a sand planet to be a slave and consciously leaving her there is better than making one momentary lapse in judgement that haunts you?) there's not even the payoff of her getting to meet them; or 2. It's someone we've never met. Which is good in that it expands the world, but bad because you'd need to set up these characters first or there's no weight to the reveal. "Your parents are Jom Alaash and Sora Alakaar!" Audience: "Who the gently caress is that?". The actual reveal that they don't matter, because Rey's worth is in herself, not who' she's related to, is way better and takes the tension set up in TFA, while resolving it in a way that doesn't feel contrived and small, but also doesn't force you to develop additional characters in a movie that already has like 9 principal characters. (plus you'd have to maybe do red herrings if you want her parents to still be a surprise)

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:29

Captain_Person: Apr 7, 2013; WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN?

Before we forget, Abrams literally wanted TFW to end with Luke surrounded by floating boulders posing with his lightsaber.

This is the guy they brought back to finish the trilogy after Johnson did something genuinely interesting rather than some bullshit fan service.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:49

JazzFlight: Apr 29, 2006; Oooooooooooh!

Gaz-L posted:

Johnson did leave it ambiguous enough that you could do a reveal without it being a plot hole (the only person who outright states her parents are nobodies is Kylo, and lying to a girl in a way that makes you seem like the only worthwhile or powerful person in her life is what every douche like him does in real life) but while JJ isn't the most adventurous writer, I think he's smart enough to realise that that bit was probably the best pay-off.
Because, honestly? There's only 2 other ways it goes: 1. She's the daughter of another original trilogy character, which shrinks the universe even smaller and unless it's someone like Luke (which, given how big a theory that was, the backlash to him in TLJ is BIZARRE, because what, him abandoning his daughter on a sand planet to be a slave and consciously leaving her there is better than making one momentary lapse in judgement that haunts you?) there's not even the payoff of her getting to meet them; or 2. It's someone we've never met. Which is good in that it expands the world, but bad because you'd need to set up these characters first or there's no weight to the reveal. "Your parents are Jom Alaash and Sora Alakaar!" Audience: "Who the gently caress is that?". The actual reveal that they don't matter, because Rey's worth is in herself, not who' she's related to, is way better and takes the tension set up in TFA, while resolving it in a way that doesn't feel contrived and small, but also doesn't force you to develop additional characters in a movie that already has like 9 principal characters. (plus you'd have to maybe do red herrings if you want her parents to still be a surprise)

All the stuff you just mentioned was why it was great that they were nobodies. Lets get away from this small universe of super-powerful force users passing down power to their descendants like some kind of unfair monarchy while the common folk can't use the force. I thought it was the absolute right decision to have Rey be powerful because the Force (like, capital F type) chose a new "nobody" candidate to lead the way.

That ending with the kid and his broom, while a little hokey, got the point across that anyone could be picked to change the universe. Blah blah blah, eat the rich is what I'm saying.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:58

Azhais: Feb 5, 2007; Switchblade Switcharoo

The only thing Johnson did was ensure that ep 9 needs to be the biggest deus ex machina bullshit to come to a positive resolution.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:00

OctoberCountry: Oct 9, 2012

Captain_Person posted:

Before we forget, Abrams literally wanted TFW to end with Luke surrounded by floating boulders posing with his lightsaber.

This is the guy they brought back to finish the trilogy after Johnson did something genuinely interesting rather than some bullshit fan service.

Yeah, I don't hate Abrams but I don't have much faith in him coming up with a compelling conclusion to anything.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:00

Burning_Monk: Jan 11, 2005; Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

JazzFlight posted:

That ending with the kid and his broom, while a little hokey, got the point across that anyone could be picked to change the universe. Blah blah blah, eat the rich is what I'm saying.

But they already showed that with Finn in TFA.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:06

jivjov: Sep 13, 2007; But how does it taste? Yummy!; Dinosaur Gum

Burning_Monk posted:

But they already showed that with Finn in TFA.

While it's true that "defecting Stormtrooper" is a new POV hero for the films...he's also not (to our knowledge) Force-using. He and Rey work as two slightly different avenues on the same theme in that regard.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:39

Burning_Monk: Jan 11, 2005; Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

jivjov posted:

While it's true that "defecting Stormtrooper" is a new POV hero for the films...he's also not (to our knowledge) Force-using. He and Rey work as two slightly different avenues on the same theme in that regard.

It was pretty obviously stated that Finn was at the very least Force-Sensitive with the possibility of more if you look deeper into his actions. But he is even more related to this point from the OP... "got the point across that anyone could be picked to change the universe."

Burning_Monk fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 30, 2018

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:45

Brony Hunter: Dec 27, 2012; Motherfucking Mannis

They'll bend the knee or I'll destroy them

I just wanna see Rex and Cody and all my other Clone buddies one last time.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 00:00

Madurai: Jun 26, 2012

Burning_Monk posted:

It was pretty obviously stated that Finn was at the very least Force-Sensitive with the possibility of more if you look deeper into his actions. But he is even more related to this point from the OP... "got the point across that anyone could be picked to change the universe."

It may not be stated as obviously as you think.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 00:31

tsob: Sep 26, 2006; Chalalala~

cptn_dr posted:

When you say "talk of", is there anything with actual credibility, or is it just a million lovely thinkpieces?

I just recall seeing an article mentioning that it's possible months ago. I can't find anything on a quick Google, beyond Rian Johnson saying it's possible JJ Abrams will do it since he's in creative control now and another saying John Williams hopes Abrams does apparently. It's entirely plausible that I read something akin to that first article of Johnson saying Abrams could do it if he wanted and it got mixed up in my head over the months since.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 00:44

JazzFlight: Apr 29, 2006; Oooooooooooh!

Burning_Monk posted:

It was pretty obviously stated that Finn was at the very least Force-Sensitive with the possibility of more if you look deeper into his actions. But he is even more related to this point from the OP... "got the point across that anyone could be picked to change the universe."

Finn's about as force-sensitive as Han Solo.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 12:31

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Kanine posted:

idk why everyone seems confused at the galactic political situation in the new trilogy?

-after retun of the jedi, before TFA: the empire is destroyed, but an imperial remnant still exists and there's an off shoot of the new republic fighting it, imperial remnant builds death-star superweapon because they've been hiding for 30 years and want revenge

-during TFA: imperial remnant destroys the new republic capital planet, resistance destroys superweapon

-during TLJ: imperial remnant tries to destroy last bits of resistance, and starts invading the rest of the galaxy

pretty simple and that's all stated pretty clearly in the films

With the information we're given, it doesn't make sense that the First Order could build both a fleet capable of galactic conquest, and a super weapon that's presumably magnitudes more expensive than the Death Star, nor does it make sense that- even weak, and even caught off guard- the Republic could be such a pushover with such a gigantic advantage in population and GDP.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 15:37

Thom12255: Feb 23, 2013; WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

General Dog posted:

With the information we're given, it doesn't make sense that the First Order could build both a fleet capable of galactic conquest, and a super weapon that's presumably magnitudes more expensive than the Death Star, nor does it make sense that- even weak, and even caught off guard- the Republic could be such a pushover with such a gigantic advantage in population and GDP.

The novels say that a lot of Republic worlds were actually on the First Order's side the whole time and funded them.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 15:47

jivjov: Sep 13, 2007; But how does it taste? Yummy!; Dinosaur Gum

The Republic also had virtually no military. One small fleet, and that got destroyed with the Hosnian system.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 15:51

Madurai: Jun 26, 2012

The New Republic managed to recreate all the flaws of the old one with the added handicap of no Jedi Order.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 16:38

IRQ: Sep 9, 2001; SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

The rebels just created a power vacuum after Endor that got quickly filled by all the Empire people already entrenched in the bureaucracy, because poo poo man, all those worlds still gotta run.

Not terribly far fetched, but it really takes the impact out of ROTJ.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 16:43

DancinBrud: Jul 23, 2007

This doesn�t excuse any failings of the movies, obviously, but presumably Resistance (the show) will make the state of the galaxy in this era lot clearer.

Does anyone have the blu-ray set of Rebels� final season yet? Apparently there�s a big featurette of Dave Filoni talking about his views on the Force, which should be interesting.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 16:52

Burning_Monk: Jan 11, 2005; Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

Madurai posted:

It may not be stated as obviously as you think.

While he's no Jedi, Kylo sees the force open up in him and he says so. There are also several subtle clues during the movie. You can look them up I don't feel like listing them all.

Even if he isn't, still doesn't change the point.

JazzFlight posted:

Finn's about as force-sensitive as Han Solo.

He's more like Leia.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 17:37

Azhais: Feb 5, 2007; Switchblade Switcharoo

jivjov posted:

The Republic also had virtually no military. One small fleet, and that got destroyed with the Hosnian system.

I thought there was something in TFA that said the Republic had a treaty with the first order or something since they'd just gotten out of their forever war and didn't want to go back to fighting right away, which is why there was a resistance at all

# ? Jul 31, 2018 17:47

jivjov: Sep 13, 2007; But how does it taste? Yummy!; Dinosaur Gum

Azhais posted:

I thought there was something in TFA that said the Republic had a treaty with the first order or something since they'd just gotten out of their forever war and didn't want to go back to fighting right away, which is why there was a resistance at all

The First Order wasn't seen as a threat; it was relegated to cut scenes, but Leia sends and envoy to Hosnian Prime to talk to the senate one more time; she's the young woman you see rush to the balcony as the Starkiller blast is incoming. The novel Bloodline, among others, goes into the fact that the FO has built up in secret in the Unknown Regions, and those who were aware of their existence basically assumed they were a handful of guys with a fetish for old Empire stuff.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:59

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 19:21

IRQ: Sep 9, 2001; SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

jivjov posted:

The novel Bloodline, among others, goes into the fact that the FO has built up in secret in the Unknown Regions, and those who were aware of their existence basically assumed they were a handful of guys with a fetish for old Empire stuff.

That's dumb as hell and completely implausible but if that's what they're going with then everyone in the star wars universe is so oblivious it means the zerg could be literally right next door without anyone noticing and I guess that would breathe some new life into things.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 21:31

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