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I'm hoping I recorded Izanagi's dialogue, otherwise I have to go looking for him and have no idea where he was. Procrastine posted:Have you found anywhere where there should be a door but there isn't? I think I get it but I need the right mantra combination. TeaJay fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Zereth posted:what is this and how would it help because I did a lot of the place without whatever that thing is It's at the end of Heaven's Labyrinth and it lets you kill blue skeletons e: also I did that area late and the more skulls you have the more enemies there are
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Aug 4, 2018 13:42
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Zereth posted:what is this and how would it help because I did a lot of the place without whatever that thing is It lets you kill the blue skeletons and you get it from killing Griffon miniboss at Heaven's Labyrinth
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Aug 4, 2018 13:42
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to get to underworld use some mantras on the blockage in the corridor of blood
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Aug 4, 2018 13:43
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TeaJay posted:I think I get it but I need the right mantra combination. Izanagi outright tells you when he tells you about blocking the entrance, it's basically: "Went to the Underworld to see my dead wife. She's still dead. I was scared and sealed off one of the entrances. To break the seal, chant the words of my mantras: Sun, moon, and Sea. But wait, if you want to do this, find the mirror. Made of polished bronze and infused with prayer, lies the power to illuminate the true path. It shows the gate that leaves the underworld"
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Aug 4, 2018 13:46
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Pigbuster posted:Izanagi outright tells you when he tells you about blocking the entrance, it's basically: "Went to the Underworld to see my dead wife. She's still dead. I was scared and sealed off one of the entrances. To break the seal, chant the words of my mantras: Sun, moon, and Sea. Yep, luckily I _did_ have his dialogue recorded so I was able to find it. I will probably return here a bit later since I don't have the mirror
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Aug 4, 2018 13:48
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TeaJay posted:Yep, luckily I _did_ have his dialogue recorded so I was able to find it. Fobos has an idea where the mirror went since last game, I believe E: I've seen a lot of people with Death Village early in the game, but I've beaten all guardians and I still don't have it. What area should I be searching? Procrastine fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Aug 4, 2018 13:52
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Can someone give me a vague hint about where I can find the fourth seal? Also, am I supposed to be able to do the Underworld seven doors with only blood corridor access, or do I need the proper front door access?
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Aug 4, 2018 14:05
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Procrastine posted:Fobos has an idea where the mirror went since last game, I believe It must be a pickup or store item since I have it, but I don't know what it does. Regarding the first part, this room has been bugging me the whole game, maybe it's this? 
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Aug 4, 2018 14:07
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Also, what's the damage increase app combo? I've tried the combos Death Village + Lonely House, Rose and Camelia + Lonely House, Rose and Camelia + Mekiru Master, but my chain whip still only does 4 damage, same as without any apps
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Aug 4, 2018 14:10
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ymgve posted:Can someone give me a vague hint about where I can find the fourth seal? It's in the underworld, you need the proper front door, you also need to deal with the statue in the starting area ymgve posted:Also, what's the damage increase app combo? I've tried the combos Death Village + Lonely House, Rose and Camelia + Lonely House, Rose and Camelia + Mekiru Master, but my chain whip still only does 4 damage, same as without any apps There's one combo for whip power which requires software you don't have, and one combo for all other weapons, which you have. TeaJay posted:It must be a pickup or store item since I have it, but I don't know what it does. That's a glossary entry. Jump through the wall next to the ladder one screen to the left, it's a La-Mulana 1 reference Procrastine fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Aug 4, 2018 14:11
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Found the "Certain Sexy Lady" that Xelpud was speaking of. Bomb the wall in the lower right of This room to get the La-Mulana software. Now I just need the La Mulana 2 software, and I've got them all. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Aug 4, 2018 14:16
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Procrastine posted:It's in the underworld, you need the proper front door, you also need to deal with the statue in the starting area But someone said they attacked Surtr with the third tier whip, which requires four seals, but I thought you needed to defeat Surtr to access the underworld proper?
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Aug 4, 2018 14:17
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ymgve posted:But someone said they attacked Surtr with the third tier whip, which requires four seals, but I thought you needed to defeat Surtr to access the underworld proper? Sorry, I meant The fourth seal is in the underworld. Separately, the seven gate puzzle requires the proper entrance and dealing with the statue.
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Aug 4, 2018 14:22
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Scalding Coffee posted:This puts a capstone on my day. Also cheesed the tiny bird fight. Both of them provided a disappointing reward. No closer to finding a third guardian or Japan. La Mulana 2: No closer to finding Japan
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Aug 4, 2018 14:27
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Procrastine posted:I've defeated all nine guardians and now I'm stuck. Anyone have hints for any of: Updated for new knowledge
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Aug 4, 2018 14:39
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Procrastine posted:Sorry, I meant The fourth seal is in the underworld. Separately, the seven gate puzzle requires the proper entrance and dealing with the statue. Do I have to fight the doppelganger to get it? Apart from that, I've thoroughly searched the Gloom side with no sign of the seal. And on the Doom side I can't get further because two giant hands are crushing me, and if I don't get crushed, the gate next to them will instakill me. Also, for the Brahma puzzle, do I need certain items? I can't do anything there apart from dropping skull balls and rotating the face, but the hint says to place something related to each age on the pedestals.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:09
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ymgve posted:Do I have to fight the doppelganger to get it? Apart from that, I've thoroughly searched the Gloom side with no sign of the seal. And on the Doom side I can't get further because two giant hands are crushing me, and if I don't get crushed, the gate next to them will instakill me. Yeah, it's from the doppelganger. I haven't solved this fully myself, but if the five eyes above aren't glowing, you have more to do elsewhere.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:13
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I think I probably am misunderstanding what I'm trying to do on my first trip to the Underworld. I thought I needed to solve the 7 gate puzzle to get the shining scythe. But I'm making no progress there and can't find anything else productive. I found the first gate, but the second one is back on the side I started in and I can't figure out how to get back there. Can anyone give me a pointer to what my goal is and where I should be looking?
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Aug 4, 2018 15:24
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Regy Rusty posted:I think I probably am misunderstanding what I'm trying to do on my first trip to the Underworld. Find Anubis. He's behind a breakable wall in the Yuga room.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:27
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Procrastine posted:Yeah, it's from the doppelganger. I assume you need to fill the chalice in your inventory from the big rear end one to survive the fight? But seems like I need a ton more mantra words to fill the chalice. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction? Also, is there any indication to where key fairies can be used? I don't feel like scouring every area of the world while constantly resummoning fairies.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:29
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Procrastine posted:Updated for new knowledge Sakit: You have to call Sakit's symbol where he can hear you. Fefnir: Do you remember any other bosses that were immune to damage at first?
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Aug 4, 2018 15:42
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ymgve posted:I assume you need to fill the chalice in your inventory from the big rear end one to survive the fight? But seems like I need a ton more mantra words to fill the chalice. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction? Wrong direction, there's a hint from an NPC in Takamagahara Shrine. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. Have fun with that. Places I've used key fairies: Dragon Path in Takamagahara Shrine Road of Destruction in Eternal Prison Key fairies also point out bombable walls and unlike the first game, bombable walls have no reaction to being hit with other weapons. Places I know of to bomb: Gnipahellir in Eternal Prison Altar of Atum in Dark Lord's Mausoleum Normally I'd give more subtle hints but key fairies are a bad mechanic and anything I can do to help people avoid running all over the map with them is good Procrastine fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Aug 4, 2018 15:42
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ymgve posted:I assume you need to fill the chalice in your inventory from the big rear end one to survive the fight? But seems like I need a ton more mantra words to fill the chalice. Or am I thinking in the wrong direction? First question: No. Someone in the world can tell you about the demon that takes on people's form and what their weakness might be. Further hint: That person lives in Taka Shrine. Second question: Usually there are tablets pointing towards where key fairies are needed. They'll mention keys, and key fairies are the only real key in this game.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:49
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Procrastine posted:If I was insane enough to do the "no subweapons during bosses" achievement, how would I even do Hel's first form? You can leave the Underworld once you read the grail tablet next to Hel but before fighting her by backtracking to the false gate two rooms previous. Then when you warp back you'll have all your items and can double jump hit her to start the fight.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:55
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Ojetor posted:You can leave the Underworld once you read the grail tablet next to Hel but before fighting her by backtracking to the false gate two rooms previous. Then when you warp back you'll have all your items and can double jump hit her to start the fight. You can also just talk to her and tell her you're there to kick her rear end.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:59
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So through some logic and some trial and error, I solved the Brahma puzzle. Now my question is, what was the logic behind the solution? Chaos + Ameno = Padma Lotus, Chaos sure I guess, though it says "not grace [...] chaos", but why Ameno? Abzu + Ymir = Vedas Texts, Abzu is associated with water, Ymir with death, makes sense. Chaos + Atum = Kamandalu Water Pot, Chaos makes sense and battle is mentioned in Atum's tablet, makes sense. Ameno + Atum = Mala Prayer Beads, Atum talks about battle, but why Ameno? Relevant tablets: The Padma Lotus begets blessing. But blessings will not grace those for whom life is tangled with chaos. The Vedas Texts constitute a belief system. One belief is that when we reach death, we will return to water. The Kamandalu Water Pot is tolerance. It is the vessel which will tolerate any battle that provokes chaos. There are as many Mala Prayer Beads as worldly desires. The beads weave together those whose desires drive them to fight tirelessly. Even after their lives are exhausted. Brahma asked Chaos, "What is creation?" Chaos responded only by existing. "Creation is simply floating in the purple darkness." Brahma asked Abzu, "What is creation?" Abzu was begotten of pure waters, so he answered that undefiled, clear waters are creation. Brahma asked Amenomikanushi, "What is creation?" Ameterasu illuminated all with a red light. The lives born from that are creation. Brahma asked Atum, "What is creation?" Atum answered by assuming the form of a green snake, before leaving for battle. "Creation is fighting to protect." Brahma asked Odin, "What is creation?" Odin responded that all was birthed from the remains of the primeval giant Ymir: "The glimmer of that which is birthed from death is creation."
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^^^^^ It's all related to the gods responses to Brahma. Amenominakanushi gives off red light and says "lives born from that are creation" Ergo, red light = life. Chaos is purple. Padma Lotus is: "life tangled with chaos". i.e. red + purple. The same logic applies to all others. Broken Cog posted:You can also just talk to her and tell her you're there to kick her rear end. That's necessary, but it only gets her to summon the ankh. The problem is that once the fight start Hel does nothing but stay sitting on her throne, the platforms only start rising once you hit her a few times and she stands up and starts attacking. You can't reach her face without either double jump or using subweapons, so for the no-subweapons achievement you have to reset your items. That said I hadn't considered that with how strong weapon fairies are this time around you can probably cheese out that achievement very easily.
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Aug 4, 2018 16:14
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It happened again. I couldn't damage race the fox, so I brought the fighter fairy to help. After a couple of hits, the boss fucks off without dropping any money or soul, the chest opens, and the doors stay closed while the spiked ceiling continues to come down until it crushes me. If I warp out and go back in, the ceiling is still on the floor and the doors are initially open but as soon as you approach the right wall they slam shut like they do when the boss appears. Nothing happens afterwards and I have to warp out again. Is this intended or am I hosed?
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Aug 4, 2018 16:17
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Ojetor posted:^^^^^ Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Is there a wheel with the beads anywhere, or is it missing as a weird roundabout hint that the wheels themselves are irrelevant?
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Where do I need to go to get to the Gate of the Dead? Got a bunch of areas unlocked and explored but must be missing something obvious.
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Aug 4, 2018 16:18
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In Valhalla, how do I access the giant statue with four seals? It seems like I have to cling to the wall as I fall down the trapdoor, but that seems impossible to do.
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Aug 4, 2018 16:20
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Cicadas! posted:It happened again. If you saved, you might be permanently hosed, yeah. If you redo the fight, go in far enough for the ceiling to start but not the battle, then wait it out in the entrance. The fight's trivial without the time limit. Sivek posted:Where do I need to go to get to the Gate of the Dead? Got a bunch of areas unlocked and explored but must be missing something obvious. It's near Mulbruk's tent. ymgve posted:In Valhalla, how do I access the giant statue with four seals? It seems like I have to cling to the wall as I fall down the trapdoor, but that seems impossible to do. You need the ability to walk through the laser without dying. E: I may be misremembering the room layout Procrastine fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Cicadas! posted:It happened again. Yeah, fighter fairies and Mjolnir both break that fight due to them hitting the chest and "ending" the fight that way or something, you have to do it on your own. I've seen others with the issue, so hopefully it's fixed soon. ymgve posted:In Valhalla, how do I access the giant statue with four seals? It seems like I have to cling to the wall as I fall down the trapdoor, but that seems impossible to do. Activate the trapdoor by quickly jumping on it, then jump down the hole so you have air control, then use the wall to boost yourself over.
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Procrastine posted:Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Is there a wheel with the beads anywhere, or is it missing as a weird roundabout hint that the wheels themselves are irrelevant? They're not exactly useless. They're meant to link each of the four ages to one symbol. Each wheel represents a different age which is associated with a different metal, and they won't spike you if you trigger them while that metal is showing. For example the wheel in Divine Fortress is the wheel with the lotus. To figure out which age it corresponds to you can drop a weight while different metals are on the bottom, and you figure out that if you drop a weight on it while the golden part is on the bottom the spikes won't appear until the wheel turns enough to hit another metal. That's how you're supposed to figure out the Lotus is associated with the golden age and know which pedestal you should use and what face of the machine needs to be showing. However, since you can brute force the puzzle with no penalty they're kinda useless. If it was like the Flail Whip puzzle in the LM1 where getting it wrong means you're screwed forever they would be more relevant. Though you still could just save scum for the answer, so I guess it's fine it doesn't lock you out.
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Broken Cog posted:Sakit: You have to call Sakit's symbol where he can hear you. Sakit: I think I need another hint. Fefnir: Is there an easier way to do this than jump in, attack once, double jump out? Subweapons don't work, weapon fairy doesn't work. At least him closing his mouth on you isn't instant death.
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Broken Cog posted:Yeah, fighter fairies and Mjolnir both break that fight due to them hitting the chest and "ending" the fight that way or something, you have to do it on your own. Do I need a special item or something? The instant the trapdoor opens, I'm locked into falling, I don't have time to jump away edit: nvm, got it
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Ojetor posted:They're not exactly useless. They're meant to link each of the four ages to one symbol. Each wheel represents a different age which is associated with a different metal, and they won't spike you if you trigger them while that metal is showing. Easier method for that: Takamagahara Shrine - Divine Path Room (1st Child Anunnaki): Satya Yuga is the gold age. When all virtue is overflowing. Dark Lord's Mausoleum - Celestial Body Room (1st Child Anunnaki): Treta Yuga, the age of silver. When virtue declined and people came to lean on ceremony. Heaven's Labyrinth - Temple of Chaos (1st Child Anunnaki): Dvapara Yuga, the age of copper. When disaster was wrought from virtue and sin in balance. Hall of Malice - Sphinx's Room (1st Child Anunnaki): The Kali Yuga is the age of steel now blunted. The age where virtue disappeared, replaced by conflict and despair.
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Procrastine posted:Sakit: I think I need another hint. Sakit's symbol is Moon Not that I know of. I just brought a healing fairy with me and brute forced it.
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Procrastine posted:If you saved, you might be permanently hosed, yeah. If you redo the fight, go in far enough for the ceiling to start but not the battle, then wait it out in the entrance. The fight's trivial without the time limit. Broken Cog posted:Yeah, fighter fairies and Mjolnir both break that fight due to them hitting the chest and "ending" the fight that way or something, you have to do it on your own. Thankfully I have a backup save so I'm not too screwed. That's kind of an awful bug, though. Thanks for the tip about cheesing the ceiling.
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