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Gaunab posted:Bane isn't just a dumb strong guy in the comics, he's basically the evil version of Batman addicted to steriods. I think people pick at the story because even though it's a comic book movie it presents itself as "grounded" in weird ways. I know he isn't, I've read knightfall. But I still saw him as just being like, IDK, just this brute of a guy, since he still had that same appearance as from Batman & Robin.
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My fans speculation for TDKR was since the Nolan films were trying a grimmer, more grounded take on the mythos, so pull the idea that the Feds have had enough of Gotham City's problems. In a few short years we've had terrorist attacks, an attempted/successful chemical weapon/WMD attack, a vigilante dressed as a bat, successful assassinations of political figures, attacks on the wealthiest members of the city, being a hub for international crime, hospital bombings, etc. Throwing folks like Bane and others in not as terrorists but as a "Pseudo-cide Squad" of DC villains who are, in this iteration, are PMCs, US Special Forces, whatever who are sent in to take over the city because the city has proven incapable of doing any law and order. It seems like you could keep the idea of a city under occupation, have there be some suspending of the Constitution, mass arrests/detainment without trial of anyone who might have any criminal affiliations, even the arrests of folks like Jim Gordon. It would have been able to carry over some of the themes of Begins and Dark Knight.
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Aug 10, 2018 03:52
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Peeny Cheez posted:I think mine is "Welp, looks like you lost all your money right around the same time that a notorious international terrorist staged a raid on the stock exchange what a wacky coincidence that we are all just going to take at face value and do nothing about *faaaaaaaarrrt*" They did specifically mention that they can get the transactions reversed, but it'd take time to sort out the legal shenanigans, at which point Talia had taken advantage to steal the reactor core thingy. JediTalentAgent posted:My fans speculation for TDKR was since the Nolan films were trying a grimmer, more grounded take on the mythos, so pull the idea that the Feds have had enough of Gotham City's problems. In a few short years we've had terrorist attacks, an attempted/successful chemical weapon/WMD attack, a vigilante dressed as a bat, successful assassinations of political figures, attacks on the wealthiest members of the city, being a hub for international crime, hospital bombings, etc. Weirdly enough it seems like they meant to imply that with the 'Dent Act' have suspended parole among other things and overcrowded prisons, but that was basically just to give Bane an army ready to go. The Joker disappearing makes a funny amount of sense given he was an out and out stateless terrorist, there's no way he's going to Arkham, they bundled him right off to Gitmo.
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Aug 10, 2018 04:46
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Basebf555 posted:The Hong Kong sequence is the other really breathtaking scene in the home releases because of the IMAX footage, along with the truck chase, so I definitely wouldn't want to see that cut. My take is it was Batman going form a local vigilante into an actual superhero
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Aug 10, 2018 07:37
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I really didn't like Ledger's joker and I'm not sure why people are so enamored of it.
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Aug 10, 2018 09:27
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I still like TDK but I think the seams definitely show. I wonder if the backlash against it a few years later was amplified because the response was so uniformly effusive in its praise when it came out (see also: The Force Awakens).
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Aug 10, 2018 09:57
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Joker disappearing makes a funny amount of sense given he was an out and out stateless terrorist, there's no way he's going to Arkham, they bundled him right off to Gitmo. According tot Nolan, he imagines the Joker as being kept somewhere isolated inside a cell with a single guard outside until he has been completely forgotten. He gave Rudolph Hess as an example, who was the sole occupant of Spandau Prison for decades after all the other war criminals had died off. I really like that as an epilogue.
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Aug 10, 2018 10:11
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I think Cracked did a surprisingly concise takedown of how little sense Bane's occupation of Gotham makes. Given that they declare a malformed state of martial law, all services are suspended for six months, but somehow the city still has power, the streets are clear of garbage and human poo poo, meaning the terrorist organization has actually managed to establish or at least maintain a legitimate system of municipal services. My IIMM is that Bruce Wayne, a man deeply, psychologically compelled to destroy himself through the delusion that one can fix Gotham by fighting street crime exclusively, fucks right off to Europe immediately after breaking a 6 month terrorist occupation of the city. Street crime would ABSOLUTELY be at it's worst in a city infamously fraught with crime and recovering from a decimated police force and two different regime changes in 6 months. THAT is the time Bruce decides to hang up the cowl, with no guarantee Robin will choose to replace him? Inconsistent characterization.
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Aug 10, 2018 11:49
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packetmantis posted:I really didn't like Ledger's joker and I'm not sure why people are so enamored of it. I liked it well enough but if he was still alive his performance wouldn’t have the reputation it has.
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Aug 10, 2018 12:17
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I like Ledger's Joker a lot but in a way I feel like it was the nail in the coffin for anything but variations on the character that are in that sort of wheelhouse. You probably can't have the Caesar Romero Joker back after it because nobody would take him seriously. The Jack Nicholson Joker was a decent halfway point but I think even that take is considered "too sill" nowadays.
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Aug 10, 2018 12:29
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I thought of a cool pitch; Bruce Willis must go back in time to stop his previous-self from making Hudson Hawk. It's if Looper starred Danny Aiello. Except its Bruce Willis from The Last Boy Scout who goes back to kill Bruce Willis from Hudson Hawk
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Aug 10, 2018 14:56
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packetmantis posted:I really didn't like Ledger's joker and I'm not sure why people are so enamored of it. He was serviceable but not amazing, I thought. Romero and Hamill are way better Jokers.
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Aug 10, 2018 15:07
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God Hole posted:I think Cracked did a surprisingly concise takedown of how little sense Bane's occupation of Gotham makes. Given that they declare a malformed state of martial law, all services are suspended for six months, but somehow the city still has power, the streets are clear of garbage and human poo poo, meaning the terrorist organization has actually managed to establish or at least maintain a legitimate system of municipal services. How about the fact that that one of the world's richest men fakes his death and then is just chilling in Italy without any disguise just so his old butler could spot him.
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Aug 10, 2018 15:27
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Pook Good Mook posted:How about the fact that that one of the world's richest men fakes his death and then is just chilling in Italy without any disguise just so his old butler could spot him. He was purposely eating there because he knew Alfred would come, he wanted Alfred to see him. They probably made it like their go-to local place to eat just so that he'd be there when Alfred showed up.
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Aug 10, 2018 15:43
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What kind of job does fake death Bruce and Selina have going for them? I mean, something's got to pay the bills. The ending should have been Bruce as Alfred's waiter, serving him his drink. Then going back to the kitchen wher he's shouting at Selina, "No, he didn't give me a huge tip, because I guess that's not the custom here... He could have at least bought the restaurant and given us pay increases! I GUESS THEY DON'T DO THAT HERE IN ITALY, EITHER! I used to do that poo poo all the time and he can't do it just once?! " "So, you wanted..." Cut to credit: The Dark Knight Raises.
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Aug 10, 2018 15:52
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i reckon rich people have at least a couple of accounts where they stash their money overseas that they can get into in the event that they fake their death or the proletariat finally rise up to devour them
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Aug 10, 2018 15:54
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Mu Zeta posted:It's a Nolan feature. I watched many of his movies in the theater and it was like that. The music in Dunkirk is way too loud. Hello I am superpilot that glides his plane over the landing beaches, suddenly blacks out for 3 hours, torches his plane (which has landed perfectly on sand), and then is captured by the Germans. Also, for how impressive the movie was in getting stuff to look good, those Stukas looked like models in every frame of the movie and I was very sad they didn't at least make a mock-up or something.
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Aug 10, 2018 16:03
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Basebf555 posted:He was purposely eating there because he knew Alfred would come, he wanted Alfred to see him. They probably made it like their go-to local place to eat just so that he'd be there when Alfred showed up. It's not why he was there that's irritating. It's the idiotic idea that a famous billionaire could pretend to be dead but then chum around Northern Italy. Imagine if Mark Cuban was "killed" in riots and then showed up in Stockholm. People would notice.
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Aug 10, 2018 16:10
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Hello I am superpilot that glides his plane over the landing beaches, suddenly blacks out for 3 hours, torches his plane (which has landed perfectly on sand), and then is captured by the Germans. If we're talking IIMM in Dunkirk it's that Nolan did NOTHING to make modern Northern France look like 1940 Northern France. For Christ's sake, you can see huge modern container cranes in the background when Hardy is being captured.
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Aug 10, 2018 16:11
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Pook Good Mook posted:It's not why he was there that's irritating. It's the idiotic idea that a famous billionaire could pretend to be dead but then chum around Northern Italy. I think you overestimate how exposed europeans are to american psuedo-celebrities. If it weren't for shark tank I would have no idea what Mark Cuban even looked like and I'm an american. And the only reason I ever heard his name before shark tank was when there were rumors of him buying the pittsburgh penguins back in the day and moving them to portland. All I knew he was a rich guy. Maybe an american might have recognized him but what are they going to do, call the swedish police and say "that guy you never heard of in america isn't dead!"?
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Aug 10, 2018 16:13
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Pook Good Mook posted:It's not why he was there that's irritating. It's the idiotic idea that a famous billionaire could pretend to be dead but then chum around Northern Italy. Who?
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Aug 10, 2018 16:13
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Pook Good Mook posted:It's not why he was there that's irritating. It's the idiotic idea that a famous billionaire could pretend to be dead but then chum around Northern Italy. i feel like i would recognize most of them, but i don't think average people know the faces of the parasite class because they've got other poo poo to keep track of
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Aug 10, 2018 16:15
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I think you overestimate how exposed europeans are to american psuedo-celebrities. If it weren't for shark tank I would have no idea what Mark Cuban even looked like and I'm an american. And the only reason I ever heard his name before shark tank was when there were rumors of him buying the pittsburgh penguins back in the day and moving them to portland. All I knew he was a rich guy. Maybe an american might have recognized him but what are they going to do, call the swedish police and say "that guy you never heard of in america isn't dead!"? "Congratulations on seeing someone who looks like someone else, citizen"
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Aug 10, 2018 16:20
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Hello I am superpilot that glides his plane over the landing beaches, suddenly blacks out for 3 hours, torches his plane (which has landed perfectly on sand), and then is captured by the Germans. I was just glad to finally see a movie use the Stuka's dive siren noise appropriately. That thing's like the Wilhelm Scream of airplanes, every loving plane in every loving movie makes that noise when it goes into a dive. I was pissed to find out that Hardy wouldn't go up in the Yak for filming and shot all his scenes on the ground. I'd have not only been jumping at the chance to go up but deliberately flubbing takes to stay up longer.
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God Hole posted:I think Cracked did a surprisingly concise takedown of how little sense Bane's occupation of Gotham makes. Given that they declare a malformed state of martial law, all services are suspended for six months, but somehow the city still has power, the streets are clear of garbage and human poo poo, meaning the terrorist organization has actually managed to establish or at least maintain a legitimate system of municipal services. But the whole point is that Batman is a terrible thing for the city - what Gotham needs is for him to gently caress off and let the people (which in Nolan's mind means "the good cops") rebuild their city. All the messaging of that movie is a complete mess, because it's really hard to picture armies of police marching down the street in a positive light, but once you make the leap that the police are meant to symbolise the city and the people (instead of "the state" or "the man") it all kind of makes sense. Sobatchja Morda posted:Something I never quite got about DKR is what Bane and Talia's endgame was. So, you've taken over Gotham and unleashed a powder keg, isolated it from the rest of the country and now it's burning itself down. Great! You get to destroy the city and broadcasts its sins to the world. Very much in line with what the League of Shadows was made for, good plan. The League of Shadows is all about theatricality and dramatic gestures. Batman could easily sneak up on people and quietly knock them out, instead of dropping down from the ceiling like he's in his own private horror movie. Scarecrow could have put cyanide in the water supply, instead of magic crazy-juice. But then they wouldn't be making an example of their victims. It's the same reason he throws Bruce into the well-prison. It's not enough just to destroy him/gotham, it needs to be absolutely crushed. He wants to dangle hope and salvation in front of them until their tear themselves apart out of desperation. THEN he'll kill them. I've no idea if they were intending to blow themselves up with Gotham, at least until Batman threatened to scupper the whole thing.
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Aug 10, 2018 16:26
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the had to give bane the bomb plot or else he's just the good guy and that wouldn't make much sense i guess
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Aug 10, 2018 16:30
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Pook Good Mook posted:If we're talking IIMM in Dunkirk it's that Nolan did NOTHING to make modern Northern France look like 1940 Northern France. Pictured: A town bombed to hell in WWII 
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Aug 10, 2018 16:38
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Serf posted:i feel like i would recognize most of them, but i don't think average people know the faces of the parasite class because they've got other poo poo to keep track of It only takes one rich American tourist to notice. Now if he was hiding out in like, Kyrgyzstan it might be a different story.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:05
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Henchman of Santa posted:It only takes one rich American tourist to notice. Now if he was hiding out in like, Kyrgyzstan it might be a different story. Let's say they did notice. What are they going to do? The local police aren't going to do anything, especially if they are being paid off, and would the american government really spend the time, money and effort to try and extradite a supposedly dead rich guy? I doubt it.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:06
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Phanatic posted:I was just glad to finally see a movie use the Stuka's dive siren noise appropriately. That thing's like the Wilhelm Scream of airplanes, every loving plane in every loving movie makes that noise when it goes into a dive. The most irritating part for me was how they do a good job with the stuka siren but give some 40mm auto-cannon belching out the dorsal turret of the not-He-111. He's got an MG-15 in there, boyos, and its still dangerous, we don't need to play this up. Like, Battle of Britain put Dunkirk to shame with that.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:34
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Let's say they did notice. What are they going to do? The local police aren't going to do anything, especially if they are being paid off, and would the american government really spend the time, money and effort to try and extradite a supposedly dead rich guy? I doubt it. Why is everyone being so dense about this when things like TMZ exist? No one is talking about the government caring, but it would be big loving news if a very famous billionaire who everyone thought was killed in riots suddenly shows up in Florence.
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Aug 10, 2018 18:05
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The original mythos kinda had Bruce Wayne as a billionaire playboy famous by name but not recognizable - the original Batman movie had Michael Keaton loving with Kim Basinger for a while at "Bruce's" party before she realized it was him, and she is literally a photojournalist. If she doesn't recognize the face of the host of the fundraiser she's covering, it's safe to assume the guy likes his privacy. It doesn't work nearly as well in the Nolan trilogy where he's also going out of his way to show off about town as a drunk rear end in a top hat playboy.
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Aug 10, 2018 18:09
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Let's say they did notice. What are they going to do? The local police aren't going to do anything, especially if they are being paid off, and would the american government really spend the time, money and effort to try and extradite a supposedly dead rich guy? I doubt it. Uh, you take a picture of Batman in a restaurant and post it on Instagram and Twitter so millions of people will start liking and subscribing to your content and brand. Also, this relatively low budget movie called Atonement has like a million times better production value than Dunkirk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QijbOCvunfU Mu Zeta has a new favorite as of 18:28 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Aug 10, 2018 18:25
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I think the diner scene at the end is stupid too. However, I imagine people probably thought that Bruce Wayne was one of the first people that Scarecrow's court would have executed. People probably thought that Bruce Wayne was dead for months. So if anyone said he was still alive, it might be regarded as an Elvis sighting. (I also feel like Bruce Wanye would be seen as an Elon Musk type, considering he put on that whole playboy lifestyle front and center to make it implausible that he was Batman).
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Aug 10, 2018 18:27
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Mu Zeta posted:Uh, you take a picture of Batman in a restaurant and post it on Instagram and Twitter so millions of people will start liking and subscribing to your content and brand. Which means absolutely nothing to the person hiding. They'd just change locations if that ever happened.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Why is everyone being so dense about this when things like TMZ exist? "Mr. Wayne! Mr. Wayne! Why did you fake your death and abandon Gotham again? What do think about Batman sacrqficing himself? And who's that on your arm? Mr. Wayne, where are you going?
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Aug 10, 2018 18:29
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Anyway, irrationally irritating movie moment: In almost every alien invasion movie, someone takes the time to ask "who are they, why are they doing this". That is 100% irrelevant, they are showing you what they intend to do. It's like an ant wondering what I'm doing and why when I approach their nest with a pot of boiling water. Stop trying to understand and run.
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And making the tabloids to boot, like when he took off with the entire Russian ballet or whatever that was.
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Aug 10, 2018 18:53
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One of the YouTube channels that I happily subscribe to did a whole episode about Dunkirk just this week and raises some similar points to the IIM. https://youtu.be/FwdFurGVd9g
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Yeah that's where I saw the Atonement thing. I remember seeing Atonement when it had all the Oscar buzz but didn't realize it looked that much better than Dunkirk.
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