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Apparently HHH said at the post show press conference (which I guess isn’t in kayfabe?) that Johnny actually did hurt himself and the finish was changed on the fly.
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abraham linksys posted:did they announce this? No that's just an assumption on my part since they've had Ohno squash some people recently. I figured they were setting him up for whoever won this match.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:41
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At what point in the match did Johnny hurt himself? Man, this Sane/Baszler match was something. Crowd was alive for it.
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abraham linksys posted:good-rear end ec3 promo here "1% isn't a financial bracket it's a mindset"  whatever you say dude
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Apparently a few people at the show said that Kevin Owens and Mark Henry were completely into the Shayna/Kairi match. Like full on freaking out at some points.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:54
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So just starting up Takeover, this opening tag is straight up amazing but is just me or did Undisputed Era get to kick out of all of Moustache Mountain's finishes and MM didn't kick out of any of Undisputed Eras.
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Aug 19, 2018 06:13
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Great show. Had high expectations, they were surpassed. Especially the women's match.
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Le Saboteur posted:So just starting up Takeover, this opening tag is straight up amazing but is just me or did Undisputed Era get to kick out of all of Moustache Mountain's finishes and MM didn't kick out of any of Undisputed Eras. KoR has an incredibly high power level
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Aug 19, 2018 07:55
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Aphrodite posted:Apparently HHH said at the post show press conference (which I guess isn’t in kayfabe?) that Johnny actually did hurt himself and the finish was changed on the fly. There's no loving way they changed the finish on the fly that quickly. It was too well coreographed unless HHH literally used those words. That show was awesome but the main event left a sour taste in my mouth probably more than any Takeover in history.
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Aug 19, 2018 08:44
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Ciampa vs Gargano had a really good finish, but the fatigue of yet another Ciampa vs Gargano deathmatch is definitely setting in. Shame about Aleister's injury, I would have liked that main event a lot more.
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Aug 19, 2018 08:56
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I'm gonna say it, that finish was some main roster poo poo.
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Aug 19, 2018 09:26
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it will be hard for people to be massively into gargano if he's not taking a couple months off because of how much of an idiot he was made into. It was funny
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Aug 19, 2018 09:38
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Good event. The womens match started a bit slow but the finish was great. The tag match was excellent. Ricochet/Cole was predictably awesome. EC3 is about as solid a pair of hands as you can get and Dream keeps getting better. I skipped the Johnny/Ciampa match again because i'm bored of them at this stage.
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Aug 19, 2018 10:22
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I just caught up with Takeover. The tag match was ace, I'm happy Dream got a win and CALL ME UP VINCE was amazing, dat fukkin superkick  , Kairi's win was so emotional and it totally got me and the finish to Gargano/Ciampa ruled.
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Aug 19, 2018 12:06
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The "problem" with the Gargano/Ciampa finish is that "Johnny's anger costs him the win" it's the only one that makes sense at this point of the story, and it's also way easier to pull off in a triple threat than a last man standing. Having Johnny win would mean rewarding him for letting Ciampa into his mind and abandoning his values, a Ciampa clean win would end the feud, and a draw would be functionally equivalent but without Ciampa bragging about how he beat Johnny while handcuffed twice. If Black wasn't injured, you could have achieved the same story beat with Johnny not pinning him because he wants to beat Ciampa, and that costing him the match. On that train of thought, I feel like the culmination of the feud should be a singles match with no gimmicks, have Johnny Wrestling live up to his name and show himself to be superior to Ciampa in the purest, most direct way.
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Aug 19, 2018 12:12
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LupusAter posted:The "problem" with the Gargano/Ciampa finish is that "Johnny's anger costs him the win" it's the only one that makes sense at this point of the story, and it's also way easier to pull off in a triple threat than a last man standing. Also they just did it last Takeover so it's really repetitive and makes your top face look like poo poo (which is why I'm saying it was main roster-esque).
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Aug 19, 2018 12:52
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Not really a fan of the Gargano/Ciampa feud turning into the Gargano idiot hour these last two takeovers. They really need to just end the feud.
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Aug 19, 2018 14:16
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Also they just did it last Takeover so it's really repetitive and makes your top face look like poo poo (which is why I'm saying it was main roster-esque). Making Johnny look like poo poo is the entire point of the exercise, though. He's losing the moral battle, embracing his darker side just as Ciampa did, and it can only bring harm to him. Now that he's "injured his knee" there's an excuse to keep him away for a while, let Ciampa get a couple title defenses (I want to see him against Adam Cole, see how it's like when Cole is the defacto face), then Johnny Wrestling comes back, gains number one contendership, and puts an end to all this by making Ciampa tap out in the center of the ring, no bells and whistles needed.
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Aug 19, 2018 14:29
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That story is fine but when you do the same end-result lesson twice in a row it makes the babyface look too stupid. it won't really carry forward more than a few months either way though so that's ok
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Aug 19, 2018 14:35
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They did about as well as they could given Black’s balls situation
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Basic Chunnel posted:They did about as well as they could given Black’s balls situation Here's your loving alternative- have Regal think Gargano did the attack, cancel the championship match, have Chiampa defend vs. someone else, gloat, continue the mystery attack story, delay Gargano-Chiampa 3. Just doing the 3rd match straight away wasn't the best they could do, it was the laziest they could do.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:10
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Johnny/Ciampa 4 Mania weekend to decide who gets the callup to 205 Live
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Aug 19, 2018 15:12
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SamuraiFoochs posted:That show was awesome but the main event left a sour taste in my mouth probably more than any Takeover in history. Seriously. This should have been the ending to the Chicago match. Well, it practically was the ending to the Chicago match. Gargano looked like an idiot. Ciampa beat Gargano, while in handcuffs, for the second time in a row. How does this help Gargano's Character? I am also in the boat of wanting to see these people do different things with their limited time in NXT and 5 Takeovers a year. Okay, so apparently Gargano might be out for a while. That means we get a Ciampa title match against someone else at the Survivor Series Takeover, and then Gargano returns in 5 months for the Rumble Takeover? I'm sorry, it's a good feud, btu we don't need 80% of the Takeovers within a year have this feud. SamuraiFoochs posted:I'm gonna say it, that finish was some main roster poo poo. I agree. I completely loved the PPV, right up until that ending. I mean, this is the kind of poo poo that if it happened on the Main Roster people would be making GBS threads all over it, but because it's Takeover, it gets a pass from some people. SA seems pretty mixed on it. I don't know, imagine seeing that ending and then having Road Dog defend it on Twitter saying "The heel needs to get a cheap win so the face can chase them!" or some poo poo. Usually NXT is good about finally pulling the trigger on that chase, while the main roster just keeps extending it until you don't want to see either person win. It's like you expect the heel to win, but the face has had so many attempts that having their epic moment is not satisfying. They've reached the latter for me.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:18
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I’m at the tipping point for Ciampa-Gargano. That was real good last night but if they do it again anytime before Mania, I’ll probably have an “ughhh” reaction.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:22
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Wazzu posted:Here's your loving alternative- have Regal think Gargano did the attack, cancel the championship match, have Chiampa defend vs. someone else, gloat, continue the mystery attack story, delay Gargano-Chiampa 3.
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Wazzu posted:Here's your loving alternative- have Regal think Gargano did the attack, cancel the championship match, have Chiampa defend vs. someone else, gloat, continue the mystery attack story, delay Gargano-Chiampa 3. But that's lazy too. "I have no evidence but I THINK YOU DID IT!" Okay you just turned Regal heel for no reason and pulled Johnny for no real reason. It's hackneyed.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:34
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It's a lovely position to be put in to advertise Ciampa/Gargano/Black, and then pull Black for injury and Gargano for "reasons". With Riccochet and Cole being in their NA Champion Feud, and then Dream/EC3 in their match earlier, and Sullivan being out (injured still?)... it's hard to find someone that would just randomly be awarded a title shot in that match to still make it a Triple Threat. Dunn also had a match at the NXT Taping before Takeover
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Aug 19, 2018 15:42
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It was a very good move putting that Finn Balor My Son Is A WWE Superstar doc on after that Takeover, because everyone at my place was very deflated and that helped us all feel a lot better.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I'm gonna say it, that finish was some main roster poo poo. [michael-scott-thank-you-gif] Screw Johnny having this "arc", dude. Johnny already had an arc where he lost constantly and it lead all the way up to Wrestlemania weekend where he finally got his catharsis by, and this is a huge point, not giving into his anger. He tried to embrace and forgive Ciampa, Ciampa rejected it and Gargano won. And then a week later, Ciampa jumps him again and now he's spent the last five months going backwards from that point. gently caress these finishes where Johnny loses because of a bunch of geeks in suits or because he slips on a banana peel and blows out his knee. It's not building anticipation for a win, it's just making your most likable babyface look like a complete jackass. And they sacrificed Aleister Black's title reign for this. I can't fuckin' believe it. fart blood posted:But that's lazy too. Wrestling is fake. You can have Regal find evidence that Johnny did it. Either way, whatever the triple threat was gonna be, they got themselves into this situation by oversaturating the gently caress out of the DIY feud and sacrificing everything else in NXT to it and this is where it got them. Black's injury just accelerated it.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:47
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It’s true that Gargano/Ciampa is jumping the shark but el em aye oh if you think it’s main roster poo poo. On the main roster, all four of their matches would be four weeks of Raw matches with no heat aside from Kurt Angle tweeting about it, then blowing it off with a heatless fifth match at Great Balls of Fire.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:55
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Let's be fair, "main roster poo poo" is Jinder beating Shinsuke loving Nakamura on back-to-back PPVs via Singh distraction->Lousy finisher. Even if they're spinning their wheels with Gargano, at least the matches are rad. But yeah time to move on.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:57
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Chris James 2 posted:Johnny/Ciampa 4 Mania weekend to decide who gets the callup to 205 Live Omega-Okada at MSG vs. Johnny-Ciampa at Barclays BATTLE FOR THE STARS
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D.N. Nation posted:Let's be fair, "main roster poo poo" is Jinder beating Shinsuke loving Nakamura on back-to-back PPVs via Singh distraction->Lousy finisher. Even if they're spinning their wheels with Gargano, at least the matches are rad. And then Gargano and Candice have a mixed tag with Ciampa and Lana on the preshow, where Gargano and Candice aren't on the same page and they lose!
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Aug 19, 2018 15:59
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No, that finish is straight out of the main roster or fuckin' 2006 TNA. Even if the match up to that point was good, if the finish sucked it sours the whole thing. And this match wasn't even close to as good as the first. It had some cool spots but it also had a whole lot of loving sitting around doing nothing because LMS is a crap stip and the only people I've seen make something out of it in the last few years are Asuka and Nikki Cross.
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Aug 19, 2018 16:00
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Until the finish, I liked this one more than the first one.
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Aug 19, 2018 16:01
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VJeff posted:No, that finish is straight out of the main roster or fuckin' 2006 TNA. Even if the match up to that point was good, if the finish sucked it sours the whole thing. Well I'd tell you to just quit watching WWE and switch to NJPW like I did but whenever I say to stop watching I get scolded soooooo...I don't know what to tell ya! Watch it and hate it, or don't watch it and be happier. It ain't gonna change so
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I liked the finish much more than the finish to their last match. I believe they did have to improvise a finish, but not to the degree they are saying. To me, the table that Gargano landed on after the knee was supposed to break. When it didnt, Gargano knew he had to come up with something to sell why he couldnt stand up. He had hit Ciampa with a knee, so he sold that.
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Aug 19, 2018 16:09
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LupusAter posted:On that train of thought, I feel like the culmination of the feud should be a singles match with no gimmicks, have Johnny Wrestling live up to his name and show himself to be superior to Ciampa in the purest, most direct way. I had the same thought. The last match should just be a singles match, but with a "title can change on DQ/countout" stipulation. You don't even have to give Johnny the clarity to demand this up front. Have Johnny get a match somehow and instantly start clamoring for Hell in a Cell to Regal, and Regal reacts like "Hell no. Every time I give you these street fight stipulations you two maniacs try to seriously kill each other. You're going to wrestle, and if you try to pull that violent poo poo, you're going to lose by disqualification." And then over the build, you can build to Johnny realizing that Regal did him a massive favor and that this is what he should have been focusing on all along and so on.
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fart blood posted:Well I'd tell you to just quit watching WWE and switch to NJPW like I did but whenever I say to stop watching I get scolded soooooo...I don't know what to tell ya! Watch it and hate it, or don't watch it and be happier. It ain't gonna change so I did. I tuned into Takeover because Takeovers are usually extremely good. And that one was, but the main event can kiss my rear end.
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