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So, it turns out Neil Cicierega really likes Nick Knacks.
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DoubleCakes posted:Really good Twitter thread about performatively condescending YouTube critics: You know this feels like a pretty lousy examination of a bunch of creators that are too wide to really pull out much that unifies them, especially Plinkett who, say what you will about RLM, it feels like it was a much serious attempts at film criticism compared to the likes of Yahtzee or something and came from a pretty sincere place, the 'emotional reaction' for the TNG movies or Star Wars prequels is obviously super deep for Mike and they don't just throw out those reviews as a weekly grind like Cinemasins might. Also concerning this tweet. https://twitter.com/InnuendoStudios/status/1031921890586255360 Is this still a useful way of thinking of that particular style of criticism when people like Jenny Nicholson and The Cosmonaut Variety Hour have found big recent success with a lot of their appeal doing a similar 'This piece of media makes me feel mad and sad!' with a bit of disassociation between their video persona and reality? khwarezm fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2018 20:56
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Max Wilco posted:There must have been some sort of collected consciousness thing going on, because I was watching Cr1tical's videos the other day, and going through the uploads, I was a little taken back some of the guests that had been on there. Man, I’m really glad I stopped watching Cr1tikal’s videos months ago. I noticed the same pattern you did back in like late March of “Holy poo poo, this guy seems to be inviting a LOT of objectively horrible people on to his jokey hangout podcast, what’s up with that?” Glad to see he’s not at all contrite about it and doubling down on paling around with the alt-right—actually no, it’s sad to see someone who seemed actually apolitical get South Park’d into defending outright ghouls. At this point, I think standard practice now to just assume that every big video game-adjacent YouTuber is an alt-right monster until they prove otherwise, and even then, verify with it at least three sources.
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Aug 21, 2018 21:29
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DoubleCakes posted:Really good Twitter thread about performatively condescending YouTube critics: Maybe I'm kind of missing the broader point but why is he including Angry Joe in his list of Condescending White Guy Critics, he never struck me as being condescending at all and he's also obviously not a white guy.
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Aug 21, 2018 21:36
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cool beans
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Aug 21, 2018 21:44
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khwarezm posted:Is this still a useful way of thinking of that particular style of criticism when people like Jenny Nicholson and The Cosmonaut Variety Hour have found big recent success with a lot of their appeal doing a similar 'This piece of media makes me feel mad and sad!' with a bit of disassociation between their video persona and reality? Thompsons posted:Maybe I'm kind of missing the broader point but why is he including Angry Joe in his list of Condescending White Guy Critics, he never struck me as being condescending at all and he's also obviously not a white guy. Twitter streams of consciousness are insufferable and so are the people who make them. But who knows I’m sure we have our own white boy YouTube critics in this thread who can assure us that twitter is good and smart. What do I know.
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Aug 21, 2018 21:45
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It just sounds like he's complaining about internet personas based around being performatively negative or nitpicky, which is a way more accurate way of describing it than "Condescending White Guy Brand." Like to be fair I hate Cinemasins too but still
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Aug 21, 2018 22:07
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Thompsons posted:It just sounds like he's complaining about internet personas based around being performatively negative or nitpicky, which is a way more accurate way of describing it than "Condescending White Guy Brand." he's not wrong that that kinda persona would be torn apart by many who love the ones listed if it was, say, a minority woman being as smug and nitpicky.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:10
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Which does make me wonder though, has there even been an angry black lady or whatever reviewing video games or superhero movies? Because I'd at least watch it once for the novelty of it but I really can't think of any off the top of my head. The closest I can maybe think of in that vein is Jenny Nicholson but everyone adores her.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:13
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never trust some twitter shithead who posts 1000 tweets in a row
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Aug 21, 2018 22:14
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Lindsay Ellis already gets poo poo for being confident by weirdos. Some of them have even tried to post in the RLM thread but are laughed out of the thread.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:20
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sexpig by night posted:he's not wrong that that kinda persona would be torn apart by many who love the ones listed if it was, say, a minority woman being as smug and nitpicky. Well, to use the examples I mentioned, Nicholson has marked out her patch to be the same kind of focus on nerdy stuff like Star Wars with a lot of nitpicking and general negativity, and often being slightly condescending to the audience for comedic effect. When I first saw her she really hit me as Mike Stoklasa's long lost illegitimate daughter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3gf6qyAHOw With The Cosmonaut Variety Hour, some of his takes are absolutely white hot coming from anybody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THpqdEgbqo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le5OOdLrU9s&t=1s I can imagine they get lots of nasty poo poo thrown their way based on their gender and race for sure, I'm not sure if they've gone into detail about that. But the content is very similar to Innuedostudio's examples in lots of ways, I think the white man aspect of it has been increasingly left behind so I agree with Thompsons its more of a general performative internet persona problem. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2018 22:22
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CelticPredator posted:Well yeah, im not gonna watch it because I can picture it and I highly doubt he’s going to change his mind... but the Ghostbusters one was really good and broke down why that movie was pretty bad. Yeah, they make the point that if it had a good director who was a moron and a good script with less improv and corporate whoring, it would have been good.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:24
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i'm a person who believes that all politics is divorced from creating media and never like movies or video games or comics that have politics shoved into them. also my fat naked body is melded to my computer chair
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Aug 21, 2018 22:24
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khwarezm posted:Well, to use the examples I mentioned, Nicholson has marked out her patch to be the same kind of focus on nerdy stuff like Star Wars with a lot of nitpicking and general negativity, and often being slightly condescending to the audience for comedic effect. When I first saw her she really hit me as Mike Stoklasa's long lost illegitimate daughter. I dunno man, Nicholson's thing is much more...fun than the others? Like she's on camera, chilling on her bed, her worst commentary tends to be 'uuuuh you SURE about that?' kinda stuff. It feels a lot more personable and from a positive place than 'George Lucas is literally too stupid to make movies any more' . Cosmonaut...yea that's a fair counter, though maybe he gets some insulation from just firing a constant barrage of nuclear takes out so people are just numb to them
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Aug 21, 2018 22:29
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sexpig by night posted:I dunno man, Nicholson's thing is much more...fun than the others? Like she's on camera, chilling on her bed, her worst commentary tends to be 'uuuuh you SURE about that?' kinda stuff. It feels a lot more personable and from a positive place than 'George Lucas is literally too stupid to make movies any more' . ah, you've forgotten about/didn't watch the Escape from Tomorrowland video 
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Aug 21, 2018 22:31
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Alaois posted:ah, you've forgotten about/didn't watch the Escape from Tomorrowland video yea she does go off on stuff but it's stuff everyone agrees is garbage like 'what if Disney Land had WHORES and MURDER'
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Aug 21, 2018 22:36
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Is that the movie where a guy follows and films some 14 year old girls while on vacation with his wife and children and say that "in the context of the movie the girls lead him on"?
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Aug 21, 2018 22:38
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sexpig by night posted:Cosmonaut...yea that's a fair counter, though maybe he gets some insulation from just firing a constant barrage of nuclear takes out so people are just numb to them (He is right about a lot of ESB)
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Aug 21, 2018 22:38
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khwarezm posted:Well, to use the examples I mentioned, Nicholson has marked out her patch to be the same kind of focus on nerdy stuff like Star Wars with a lot of nitpicking and general negativity, and often being slightly condescending to the audience for comedic effect. When I first saw her she really hit me as Mike Stoklasa's long lost illegitimate daughter. Jenny Nicholson gets my attention because her irony shield is so perfect. She might (might) be the first web 2.0 native to do this poo poo and gives off this slight hint of suppressed menace at all times, like she’d loving eat you alive and is just choosing to have a good time at any particular moment. Like, it’s hard to describe, but I really wouldn’t want to mess with her. I can’t really describe it, but it might peel off some of the chuds.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:40
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Is Jenny Nicholson's whole "mindless merch consumption" thing ironic? Does light criticism of Disney's properties matter if you've spend thousands of dollars on giant Porgs?
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Aug 21, 2018 22:41
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That Spiderman Cosmonaut video ends up being much less of a hot take than the title implies. He still loves Spider-man 2 overall, honestly it seems like his main beef is with Toby Maguire, not Sam Raimi.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:41
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WampaLord posted:That Spiderman Cosmonaut video ends up being much less of a hot take than the title implies. He keeps on calling the movies corny like that's a bad thing! It's the best thing about them! THE BEST THING
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Aug 21, 2018 22:43
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business hammocks posted:Jenny Nicholson gets my attention because her irony shield is so perfect. She might (might) be the first web 2.0 native to do this poo poo and gives off this slight hint of suppressed menace at all times, like she’d loving eat you alive and is just choosing to have a good time at any particular moment. Like, it’s hard to describe, but I really wouldn’t want to mess with her. I can’t really describe it, but it might peel off some of the chuds. Maybe if you send her this fanfic she'll read it in one of her videos.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:43
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40-Degree Day posted:Is Jenny Nicholson's whole "mindless merch consumption" thing ironic? Does light criticism of Disney's properties matter if you've spend thousands of dollars on giant Porgs?
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Aug 21, 2018 22:43
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business hammocks posted:Jenny Nicholson gets my attention because her irony shield is so perfect. She might (might) be the first web 2.0 native to do this poo poo and gives off this slight hint of suppressed menace at all times, like she’d loving eat you alive and is just choosing to have a good time at any particular moment. Like, it’s hard to describe, but I really wouldn’t want to mess with her. I can’t really describe it, but it might peel off some of the chuds. dude haha
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Aug 21, 2018 22:44
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Oh also, according to her most recent Patreon video she actually worked in Disneyland for some time and talks about how she was so into it that other workers were burning out around her while she was still going strong. She's really, unironically into the whole the Disney galaxy, so I find it pretty impressive that she can step back and note how loving weird it all is too.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:46
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business hammocks posted:Jenny Nicholson gets my attention because her irony shield is so perfect. She might (might) be the first web 2.0 native to do this poo poo and gives off this slight hint of suppressed menace at all times, like she’d loving eat you alive and is just choosing to have a good time at any particular moment. Like, it’s hard to describe, but I really wouldn’t want to mess with her. I can’t really describe it, but it might peel off some of the chuds. I'm not really into Jenny or her videos but I cannot imagine being scared of her.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:50
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Hemingway To Go! posted:I'm not really into Jenny or her videos but I cannot imagine being scared of her. Never underestimate how much white manbabies are afraid of the dreaded XX chromosome.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:53
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Thompsons posted:Maybe I'm kind of missing the broader point but why is he including Angry Joe in his list of Condescending White Guy Critics, he never struck me as being condescending at all and he's also obviously not a white guy.
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Aug 21, 2018 22:54
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I’m not sure I get the condescending thing. Like I’m only familiar with a couple of the examples but I wouldn’t call them condescending That whole thread seems kind of dumb and a bit to smug for me. Like they just picked scary words from a hat. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2018 22:58
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Hemingway To Go! posted:I'm not really into Jenny or her videos but I cannot imagine being scared of her. She was more savage to Max Landis’ face on that Star Wars hype show she did for ign(?) than any of the RLM guys have ever been when he wasn’t there (although not savage enough, obviously). Max Landis’ total disappearance from reality has been a really underappreciated aspect of 2018. There are fewer remaining signs of him than there are of the third act of his dad’s segment for the Twilight Zone movie.
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Aug 21, 2018 23:02
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CharlestheHammer posted:I’m not sure I get the condescending thing. cinemasins has been more directly criticized for making lovely criticisms but stating them smugly so dumb people think they're right, see example cinemasins video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5qLgL-E7uY yahtzee coined the term "pc master race", probably said some other poo poo, it's been years since I watched him. I do not think RLM deserves the criticism here, they're a bunch of moody drunk midwesterners and they're actually pretty positive with movies and negative on themselves all things considered.
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Aug 21, 2018 23:06
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business hammocks posted:She was more savage to Max Landis’ face on that Star Wars hype show she did for ign(?) than any of the RLM guys have ever been when he wasn’t there (although not savage enough, obviously). It makes going back and rewatching Chronicle hella hard between him and Josh Trank. It’s like “how did something this good come out of two utter monsters?” At this point I’m glad both their careers are toast and there will never be a Chronicle 2 or 3 because fuuuuck Max Landis and Josh Trank.
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Aug 21, 2018 23:06
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business hammocks posted:She was more savage to Max Landis’ face on that Star Wars hype show she did for ign(?) than any of the RLM guys have ever been when he wasn’t there (although not savage enough, obviously). That actually sounds really cool, I'd like to watch that.
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Aug 21, 2018 23:07
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Hemingway To Go! posted:
That was one of those things that was initially clearly meant to be ironic, but got adopted sincerely later by idiots. Found the video where he coins it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0dXtOVi2yo khwarezm fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2018 23:13
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Hemingway To Go! posted:cinemasins has been more directly criticized for making lovely criticisms but stating them smugly so dumb people think they're right, see example cinemasins video: Yahtzee has never used that unironically though maybe he walked back in recent years I haven’t watched his stuff in a while. Cinemasins I have never watched so I can’t speak to it.
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Aug 21, 2018 23:17
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Ghostlight posted:I mean, you say that, but it helps to remember "white" is less a racial category that stands in opposition to "black" and more a catchall for any 'acceptable' group of people. You know that's bullshit, Joe's done videos about how he gets racially profiled and harrased by cops. To say that he somehow became white because his channel is popular is either disingenuous or just loving stupid.
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Aug 21, 2018 23:18
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I mean it was just like what, two weeks ago that he made a video/tweet about how he missed his flight because he almost got detained at an airport or something for the crime of Existing While Latino?
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Aug 21, 2018 23:27
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Yeah, he and OtherJoe loving got detained in Customs ( he was flying back from Canada ) and thier white friend AJ got waved though and told if he waited for them he'd be detained too. So they missed thier flight. The next day they also got detained in customs, but only for 15 minutes or something instead of hours and made thier flight.
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