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During the Opium War someone in the chinese army suggested that they should strap explosives to monkeys and throw them onto british ships. Nineteen monkeys were purchased and put in an army base but the plan wasn't executed because no one dared to get close enough to the british war ships to throw the monkeys. After the chinese army was defeated there were no one to take care of the monkeys and they died of starvation.
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Krankenstyle posted:Unrelated, this is pretty neat: that is neat. i panned to the right to see more of australia and waited a few seconds for the rest of the map to load before i realised i was being dumb
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Aug 23, 2018 20:12
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:that is neat. i panned to the right to see more of australia and waited a few seconds for the rest of the map to load before i realised i was being dumb You need EU4 for that mapmode 
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Aug 23, 2018 20:21
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:that is neat. i panned to the right to see more of australia and waited a few seconds for the rest of the map to load before i realised i was being dumb Probably lost to the ages but man I could totally dig looking at some native trade routes and relationships around the world.
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Aug 23, 2018 20:37
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Alhazred posted:During the Opium War someone in the chinese army suggested that they should strap explosives to monkeys and throw them onto british ships. Nineteen monkeys were purchased and put in an army base but the plan wasn't executed because no one dared to get close enough to the british war ships to throw the monkeys. After the chinese army was defeated there were no one to take care of the monkeys and they died of starvation. Thanks, O pium.
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Aug 23, 2018 20:56
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Alhazred posted:During the Opium War someone in the chinese army suggested that they should strap explosives to monkeys and throw them onto british ships. Nineteen monkeys were purchased and put in an army base but the plan wasn't executed because no one dared to get close enough to the british war ships to throw the monkeys. After the chinese army was defeated there were no one to take care of the monkeys and they died of starvation. I think this is what the kids mean when they say "thanks, i hate it."
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Aug 23, 2018 23:19
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Alhazred posted:During the Opium War someone in the chinese army suggested that they should strap explosives to monkeys and throw them onto british ships. Nineteen monkeys were purchased and put in an army base but the plan wasn't executed because no one dared to get close enough to the british war ships to throw the monkeys. After the chinese army was defeated there were no one to take care of the monkeys and they died of starvation. Serious question, what was the perceived benefit of attaching monkeys to the explosives vs. just ... throwing explosives at the British?
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Aug 24, 2018 04:00
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wheatpuppy posted:Serious question, what was the perceived benefit of attaching monkeys to the explosives vs. just ... throwing explosives at the British? A panicking monkey would be harder to catch and toss back?
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Aug 24, 2018 04:06
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wheatpuppy posted:Serious question, what was the perceived benefit of attaching monkeys to the explosives vs. just ... throwing explosives at the British? The monkeys would get places just tossing wouldn't. Maybe it wouldn't be directly apparent the monkeys had explosives on them.
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Aug 24, 2018 04:10
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This is like the plan to strap firebombs to bats and airdrop them over cities. The idea being that the bats would seek shelter in the houses, then the bombs would go off, and cause more damage than if they were dropped normally. They stuck the bats in the fridge to make them hibernate, stuck bombs on them, dropped them out of planes...and the bats didn't wake up, and thus couldn't fly. More details
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Aug 24, 2018 04:25
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The monkeys might behave more like the Soviet bomb dogs that were more interested in chilling under Soviet tanks than Nazi tanks.
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Aug 24, 2018 04:47
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Did they also plan to label the monkeys 1-16 and 18-20 because I hear that works every tine
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Aug 24, 2018 05:07
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wheatpuppy posted:Serious question, what was the perceived benefit of attaching monkeys to the explosives vs. just ... throwing explosives at the British? They really hated monkeys?
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Aug 24, 2018 05:22
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There is a myth about the very real Olga of Kiev where she the used pigeons received as tribute from her enemies as biological homing missles.quote:Now Olga gave to each soldier in her army a pigeon or a sparrow, and ordered them to attach by thread to each bird a piece of sulfur bound with small pieces of cloth. When night fell, Olga bade her soldiers release the pigeons and the sparrows. So the birds flew to their nests, the pigeons to the cotes, and the sparrows under the eaves. The dove-cotes, the coops, the porches, and the haymows were set on fire. There was not a house that was not consumed, and it was impossible to extinguish the flames because all the houses caught on fire at once. The people fled from the city, and Olga ordered her soldiers to catch them. Thus she took the city and burned it, and captured the elders of the city. Some of the other captives she killed, while some she gave as slaves to her followers. The remnant she left to pay tribute. Such Fun has a new favorite as of 05:45 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 05:40
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That's nothing. Here's what the much-maligned B.F. Skinner got up to with a few birds: quote:During World War II, Project Pigeon (later Project Orcon, for "organic control") was American behaviorist B.F. Skinner's attempt to develop a pigeon-controlled guided bomb.
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Aug 24, 2018 06:12
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During WWII the Soviets trained dogs to run towards tanks by hiding food under them and starving the dogs, the idea being that they'd strap explosives to the poor beasts and use them to blow up enemy tanks. The trouble was that they trained them on Soviet tanks that weren't running, so the dogs either ran to friendly tanks and blew them up or got scared by the noise of the guns and ran to friendly soldiers and blew them up. That's such an evil scheme that they kinda deserved to have it backfire.
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Aug 24, 2018 06:25
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But in an alternate reality there are 100s of hero dog statues everywhere so it kind of evens out
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Aug 24, 2018 06:37
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verbal enema posted:But in an alternate reality there are 100s of hero dog statues everywhere so it kind of evens out
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Aug 24, 2018 06:47
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Nessus posted:That's nothing. Here's what the much-maligned B.F. Skinner got up to with a few birds: The birds achieved up to 80% accuracy in simulators. https://books.google.com/books?id=Q...centage&f=false
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Aug 24, 2018 06:48
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C.M. Kruger posted:The birds achieved up to 80% accuracy in simulators.
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Aug 24, 2018 07:57
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Nessus posted:If Skinner had lived a generation earlier we would have absolutely had bird missiles Read that as Principal Skinner.
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Aug 24, 2018 09:06
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Read that as Principal Skinner. The ultimate recipe for Steamed Pigeon.
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Aug 24, 2018 14:00
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:This is like the plan to strap firebombs to bats and airdrop them over cities. The idea being that the bats would seek shelter in the houses, then the bombs would go off, and cause more damage than if they were dropped normally. They stuck the bats in the fridge to make them hibernate, stuck bombs on them, dropped them out of planes...and the bats didn't wake up, and thus couldn't fly. I've heard all sorts of things about the efficacy (including that they were actually worked better than typical incendiaries) of the bat bombs and it's kinda my favorite weird ww2 fact.
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Aug 24, 2018 19:00
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:This is like the plan to strap firebombs to bats and airdrop them over cities. The idea being that the bats would seek shelter in the houses, then the bombs would go off, and cause more damage than if they were dropped normally. They stuck the bats in the fridge to make them hibernate, stuck bombs on them, dropped them out of planes...and the bats didn't wake up, and thus couldn't fly. Since this project was classified, but they needed to track down all the bats so the recovery guys had to ask vague poo poo like "have you seen anything odd lately?" Which got them irritated replies from locals along the lines of "well, I've got rafters full of agitated bats with a bunch of bullshit strapped to them, does that count?"
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Aug 24, 2018 21:30
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In september 1939 the National Air Raid Precautions Animals Committee issued a pamphlet where they advised pet owners to either evacuate their pets to the countryside or euthanize them. The reason for that was because they feared air raids would make the animals panic or cause starvation as the pet owners would either share their food rations with their pets or leave them to starve to death. This lead to thousands of pet owners to go to their vets to have them euthanize their pets. There were so many that the vets started to run out of chloroform and they had to start with mass gassing of the pets. There were such huge amount of dead pets that they couldn't cremate them and they started putting them in mass graves. So many cats were killed that the authorities started to worry that the rat population would increase. One zoo killed all their animals. All in all over 750 000 pets were killed in what was known as the Great British Pet Massacre.
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Aug 25, 2018 09:37
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Jesus Christ
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Aug 25, 2018 09:41
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So much for that myth about the Nazis and animal welfare.
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Aug 25, 2018 09:55
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That fact wasn't fun at all! Are all your historical facts about killing animals??
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Aug 25, 2018 10:18
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Nessus posted:That fact wasn't fun at all! Are all your historical facts about killing animals?? This better? A royal declaration from 1722: To the by Friedrichsburg Castle residing eight swans, the king has, in his mercy, granted every 8th day one bushel of oats, which shall be delivered from November 1st until the following Ultimo Aprilis (April 31st).
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Alhazred posted:In september 1939 the National Air Raid Precautions Animals Committee issued a pamphlet where they advised pet owners to either evacuate their pets to the countryside or euthanize them. The reason for that was because they feared air raids would make the animals panic or cause starvation as the pet owners would either share their food rations with their pets or leave them to starve to death. This lead to thousands of pet owners to go to their vets to have them euthanize their pets. There were so many that the vets started to run out of chloroform and they had to start with mass gassing of the pets. There were such huge amount of dead pets that they couldn't cremate them and they started putting them in mass graves. So many cats were killed that the authorities started to worry that the rat population would increase. One zoo killed all their animals. All in all over 750 000 pets were killed in what was known as the Great British Pet Massacre. What's also interesting is how this story was more or less quietly swept under the rug afterwards, both because nobody wants to think too much about the time they sent Ruff the family dog into the gas chamber but also because this episode didn't exactly fit in with Britain's self-image of a nation stiff-upper-lip'ing itself through this unpleasant war business. 
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Aug 25, 2018 11:58
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I disagree. Euthanising pets because you thought it was necessary and not thinking too much about it afterwards is very stiff upper lip.
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Aug 25, 2018 12:06
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imo they shoulda ate the pets, thatd counterweight wartime rationing big time
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Aug 25, 2018 12:09
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You just KNOW Churchill munched down on some giraffe in his bunker.
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Platystemon posted:I disagree. The pet massacre was pretty much caused by hysteria though. It wasn't really necessary and some people protested by trying to save as many pets as they could. Battersea Dogs & Cats Home for example managed to save 145 000....dogs and cats.
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Aug 25, 2018 14:13
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System Metternich posted:What's also interesting is how this story was more or less quietly swept under the rug afterwards, both because nobody wants to think too much about the time they sent Ruff the family dog into the gas chamber but also because this episode didn't exactly fit in with Britain's self-image of a nation stiff-upper-lip'ing itself through this unpleasant war business. Forgotten Weapons covered the Greener Humane Horse Killer, which was a British Army tool for euthanizing wounded horses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zi4FXCSgDw Ian mentions that it's shaped for the horse's head so only the bullet hits the skull without the muzzle blast, because pressing the barrel directly against its head would be...messy.
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Aug 25, 2018 18:33
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You don't want to euthanize an animal, though, You want to DESTROY it
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Aug 25, 2018 18:48
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THIS SICK GUN IS THE ULTIMATE TOOL OF ABSOLUTE HORSE OBLITERATION.
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Aug 25, 2018 19:19
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Platystemon posted:I disagree. We must meet this threat with our courage, our valor, indeed with our very lives to ensure that British civilization, not domestic pets, dominates this isle *now and always*!
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Aug 25, 2018 19:28
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Ariong posted:THIS SICK GUN IS THE ULTIMATE TOOL OF ABSOLUTE HORSE OBLITERATION. So it's made of bees?
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Decrepus posted:We must meet this threat with our courage, our valor, indeed with our very lives to ensure that British civilization, not domestic pets, dominates this isle *now and always*! Strange 14 words, these
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