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Rhyno posted:Did this already get posted? We all knew it was just a matter if time I wish I had seen this. Huge fan.
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Fart City posted:I’m worried that CK is going to be the litmus test for what counts as an “earned” redemption story, simply because of what we’re seeing in this very thread - that wasn’t “as bad” as others, or that he “took ownership” of what he did. He stopped well before he got caught.
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# ? Aug 28, 2018 23:54 |
Len posted:Did anything end up happening with Ansari? I thought it was just the one article and that was all that came out of it? I think even in this very thread there were people defending Ansari and victim blaming and trying to discredit the source. So no not really. I mean hell, nothing happened to Chris Hardwick and he's basically the definition of disposable personality.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 00:00 |
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https://twitter.com/The40YearOldBoy/status/1034324769527590912 Good job, Schmitty.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 00:23 |
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Judakel posted:He stopped well before he got caught. I mean... the last reported incident was in 2009? And he stopped once it became a known industry secret and people started talking about it (and was thereby caught)? And he spent the remaining years up until 2017 trying to discredit the women who were alleging the abuse? And that still makes him a predatory shithead? Is that better?
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 00:56 |
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Fart City posted:I mean... the last reported incident was in 2009? It is more accurate, yes.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 01:02 |
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louis ck shouldn't be able 2 continue being a standup
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 02:48 |
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Why can't all these guys get a job mopping up a Baskin Robbins or something?
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 02:51 |
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LesterGroans posted:Why can't all these guys get a job mopping up a Baskin Robbins or something? Like... he could literally just airbnb Babe Ruth's house for the rest of his life. If I owned Babe Ruth's house, nobody would ever worry about me. They'd always be like, "Nah, he's fine. He owns Babe Ruth's house."
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 03:12 |
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For gently caress's sake. There is a local comedy club that has brought in some pretty decent national talent over the last two years and their FB page was praising the gently caress out of Louie's return 12 hours ago. Looks like they got some much flak they took the entire page down. Dude's always gonna be a hero to some people.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 03:51 |
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GrandpaPants posted:I think even in this very thread there were people defending Ansari and victim blaming and trying to discredit the source. So no not really. At least Netflix shitcanned Master of None
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 03:57 |
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Coffee And Pie posted:At least Netflix shitcanned Master of None No they didn't. https://www.avclub.com/netflix-is-ready-for-more-master-of-none-when-aziz-is-1827982358
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 04:03 |
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The Ansari thing is weird and reads to me like a confused sexual encounter that was retold by a website that wanted to rush and get their name out there while #metoo was hot. Also, Winona Ryder faced more shunning and scorn for shoplifting than CK ever did for forcing women into watching him jerk off.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 10:23 |
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No, it reads like a woman giving explicit and implicit signals that she doesn't want to engage in certain sexual activity and repeatedly being pressured to do those things anyway.
Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 29, 2018 |
# ? Aug 29, 2018 10:46 |
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Ansari resurfacing would make more sense if he were actually funny
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 10:53 |
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The problem with making social justice into a hashtag sensation is that it has the same lifespan as any other media fad, and before you know it you're trying to push what was so two weeks ago, everyone's found something new and trendy to be mad about now.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 11:28 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The problem with making social justice into a hashtag sensation is that it has the same lifespan as any other media fad, and before you know it you're trying to push what was so two weeks ago, everyone's found something new and trendy to be mad about now. It's almost like you actually need to totally restructure American society into something completely new and different that doesn't place white men at the highest position of power. You know, instead of just hoping things will get better if you shame enough gross white male perverts or call people racists enough.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 13:37 |
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Why not both? I mean restructuring society will take a while so something's gotta be done in the meantime.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 14:11 |
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Basebf555 posted:The denials are really what ruins it in my opinion, more than anything specific in his apology. When you've denied accusations publicly for years, which as the effect of further emotionally harming the victims, to me you give up your ability to come clean later and expect forgiveness. The early accusations were wrong. They started third party, and the early accusations contain things like "he forced them to watch and closed the door and didn't allow them to leave" that a lot of people still believe. Also, his apology was good because it focused on the *point*. He, like *most* men even a decade or so ago, much less before then, did not understand implicit as opposed to explicit power, so pushing or getting a "yes" is all they needed to proceed in any sexual situation. Gen Xers grew up entirely with "get rich and famous and powerful so women want to gently caress you" - and it took decades of "getting powerful gives you power over people and removes consent" being put in the public eye to wipe that conditioning from our generation. Getting men to learn not to hit on their junior coworkers and employees (which happens alllllllll the time) is what people should take from his example. I personally believe in forgiveness when someone shows a pattern of learning and not offending again for cases of misconduct (which is not the same as assault). If we don't allow people to learn and change, what's the point? He figured that stuff out on his own, apparently, apologized via his own routine, and never (to our knowledge) repeated the misconduct.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 14:25 |
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I don't think anyone's saying he's not allowed to learn and change. That's undoubtedly a good thing. But if a manager of a Subway did this to some employees I sure as hell wouldn't want him managing any more Subways, no matter how many vacation days he took.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 15:07 |
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Yeah, that's basically it. You were great at comedy, but you abused the hell out of your power for sexual purposes. Find a new career! Unfortunately that's not the way society works, but it loving should.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 15:42 |
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King Vidiot posted:It's almost like you actually need to totally restructure American society into something completely new and different that doesn't place white men at the highest position of power. You know, instead of just hoping things will get better if you shame enough gross white male perverts or call people racists enough. Rich white men, let's not forget. Ignoring the entire class dimension of inequality is kind of what allows capitalism to completely co-opt and effectively neuter social justice in the first place, leaving it a hollowed-out shell suited only for marketing departments and predatory bullies as the ideas of capitalism and solidarity are utterly opposed.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 15:45 |
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graventy posted:Yeah, that's basically it. You were great at comedy, but you abused the hell out of your power for sexual purposes. Find a new career! Those baconators ain't gonna grill themselves.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Rich white men, let's not forget. Ignoring the entire class dimension of inequality is kind of what allows capitalism to completely co-opt and effectively neuter social justice in the first place, leaving it a hollowed-out shell suited only for marketing departments and predatory bullies as the ideas of capitalism and solidarity are utterly opposed. Well, they're white and male specifically because rich people need a uniform face to present to racist underclass white people to say "See? You and me, we're not so different and if you keep the women and minorities down then someday you too will be as rich and powerful as me!". Whiteness (which is entirely made up) and maleness (also made up) are the root cause of the problem, they're what's keeping the rich capitalists in power. Like, you can't ignore class sure, but you also can't ignore race and gender. The underclass are divided along totally made-up lines that are meaningless. graventy posted:Yeah, that's basically it. You were great at comedy, but you abused the hell out of your power for sexual purposes. Find a new career! At this point, Louis CK could probably just do nothing for the rest of his life because he's rich. If he still needs to make humorous observations about the world, I dunno, he can start a loving blog or something like the rest of us.
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King Vidiot posted:Well, they're white and male specifically because rich people need a uniform face to present to racist underclass white people to say "See? You and me, we're not so different and if you keep the women and minorities down then someday you too will be as rich and powerful as me!". Whiteness (which is entirely made up) and maleness (also made up) are the root cause of the problem, they're what's keeping the rich capitalists in power. Like, you can't ignore class sure, but you also can't ignore race and gender. The underclass are divided along totally made-up lines that are meaningless. I think calling them the root cause of the problem is slightly off. There's no doubt that whiteness and maleness have become incredibly toxic but they're that way because white people and men have been in dominant positions for so long, and because our society incentivizes sociopathic and predatory behavior as a road to the top, not the other way around. All unequal positions of social power contribute to the potential for abuse, as does a culture of zero sum competition where any gain has to come at someone else's expense. These traits are probably not innately male (and certainly not to the extent to which we actually practice them) and they absolutely aren't innately white; they are to a great extent white people's and men's responsibility to combat because we are presently the main carriers and beneficiaries of those circumstances, but that's not quite the same thing. (The main difference being that we can't stop there, to be clear.)
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 16:31 |
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The whole point of rainbow capitalism is to put a friendly politically correct face on the same old brutal exploitation; that the exploitative oligarchy is acceptable if they put some smiling women and minorities on the cover. "We care, now isn't that enough? Buy our products and/or services."
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:All unequal positions of social power contribute to the potential for abuse, as does a culture of zero sum competition where any gain has to come at someone else's expense. These traits are probably not innately male (and certainly not to the extent to which we actually practice them) and they absolutely aren't innately white; they are to a great extent white people's and men's responsibility to combat because we are presently the main carriers and beneficiaries of those circumstances, but that's not quite the same thing. That's not quite what I was saying, I'm saying that (predominantly-if-not-entirely white male) imperialists at some point in history said "I need the lower-class whites to protect my status, so I'm going to invent this concept of white people being superior to black people, and men being superior to women". Then people bought it, and ever since then there have been forward-thinking progressive people trying to tear that down. Yes, there is nothing inherently wrong with white people that makes them oppressors, I agree, but what I'm saying is that white people were told to be racist specifically to divide the lower classes and pit them against each other.
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Darko posted:I personally believe in forgiveness when someone shows a pattern of learning and not offending again for cases of misconduct (which is not the same as assault). If we don't allow people to learn and change, what's the point? He figured that stuff out on his own, apparently, apologized via his own routine, and never (to our knowledge) repeated the misconduct. As others have said though, forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean that things go back to the way they were before the misconduct. Forgiveness means different things to different people. Personally I wouldn't want to be a part of financially supporting Louis CK, but that's not the same as saying he shouldn't ever have forgiveness. Part of it for me is the amount of knowledge we have about the personal lives of celebrities, which really isn't much all things considered. Like, sure, if 5 years go by and no more Louis CK sexual misconduct stories come out, that's great but how confident can I really be that he's just hiding it more effectively? Making a living as a public figure isn't an entitlement, it means the public judges your words and actions and then decides whether they want to support you or not. I'd rather play it safe and just say Louis CK is not someone I want to risk giving my money to any longer.
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Zogo posted:The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things (2004) has recently skyrocketed to being the most popular feature film of 2004 on IMDb Don't watch this movie. Seriously. It's just gross. It never turns the corner, it never has a point beyond PEOPLE SURE ARE GARBAGE, it's just self-indulgent and terrible from start to finish.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 17:24 |
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I just weigh misconduct on a different level than assault, and then levels within on top of that. I deal with various levels of misconduct and sometimes technically sometimes non serious assault on me at least once a week, and still aren't in the "throw those people under the bus" level with the people that do it - as the base issue is people just not understanding boundaries around other people, and that's something that is understandable and fixable. Especially with society and media telling men the complete wrong thing to do for forever. I'm not a woman, so I no doubt deal with less than most of them, but I can and do relate to a degree on being on the receiving end all of the time. Now when you're talking about actual patterns of predatory assault, that's not a mistake and shows intent, and *there* is where I place the "go hide somewhere forever" judgment. People like Spacey and Weinstein; gently caress them, never want to hear from them anymore, but with other cases, it depends entirely on knowledge, intent, admission, and change for me, personally.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 17:24 |
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The whole Louis situation is so frustrating. The rumors were around for years and I was glad he finally was revealed after actively denying it. But just from his standup and shows you knew his apology was going to be decent. But that doesn't mean it was real and him returning to the stage so soon says everything. gently caress Louis CK.
SunshineDanceParty fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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DrVenkman posted:The Ansari thing is weird and reads to me like a confused sexual encounter that was retold by a website that wanted to rush and get their name out there while #metoo was hot. Didn't the "reporter" for that blog get mad on twitter and curse at some veteran reporter for calling her out?
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 18:47 |
This doesn't seem suspicious at all: https://capitalandmain.com/cuomo-received-25000-dollars-from-weinstein-lawyers-firm-as-he-suspended-probe-0829
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GrandpaPants posted:This doesn't seem suspicious at all: https://capitalandmain.com/cuomo-received-25000-dollars-from-weinstein-lawyers-firm-as-he-suspended-probe-0829 Another thing it isn't at all is surprising. Who'd have thunk a rich man could just have his lawyers indefinitely buy him out of facing any legal repercussions for his actions?
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Zogo posted:The Heart Is Deceitful Above All Things (2004) has recently skyrocketed to being the most popular feature film of 2004 on IMDb There is a ton of fallout from this movie alone between Asia and J.T. LeRoy.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 22:45 |
Despite the standing o, some women were upset by Louis CK's set: http://www.vulture.com/amp/2018/08/louis-ck-comedy-cellar-women-describe-rape-whistle-joke.htmlquote:The women say C.K.’s set was similar to his usual material, and included a joke about the phrase “clean as a whistle,” which built up to a joke about how rape whistles are not clean. “When he said ‘rape whistle’ people were laughing, and I was just sitting there like oh my gently caress. This is so uncomfortable and so disgusting. Everyone around me was laughing. That was just depressing.”
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# ? Aug 30, 2018 09:21 |
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Sounds like he learned a lot.
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# ? Aug 30, 2018 09:42 |
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Rhyno posted:Sounds like he learned a lot. I wouldn’t be surprised if Daddy I Love You was on his website for direct purchase by the end of the year similarly to how he used to release some of his albums. That’s a shocking lack of awareness, doing that joke. No reason to think he’ll stop being unaware anytime soon.
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# ? Aug 30, 2018 15:31 |
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For better or worse that really is a classic Louie joke, you can just imagine him delivering it
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I'm really just glad he took his time away to grow as a person.
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