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turn off the TV posted:Except this is a multiplayer game and anyone matched up with troglodytes has to put up with them. Man I can't believe that moba people have a better attitude towards pubbies... the most common factor in any loss is yourself, blaming others for a failure is a cop out. Especially in a game where you can just play Volt/Saryn and win everything forever. Step up, or shut up and be humble.
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Giggily, no build benefits from physique; but I like what you're doing, carry on
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turn off the TV posted:build without Corrosive Projection, which vastly limits the number of viable weapons and abilities in the game. I'm lucky, I *really* like kohm, even with all the armour in the world, poo poo just melts before it's even spooled up fully. Even then, it "only" spits like 120k dps, so in the above vay hek scenario, where corrosive procs don't seem to work IIRC, and it'll take a few clips to kill. Add "rifle only" or similar modifier though, and I'm hosed. Just about the only thing that can punch through that poo poo reliably with just plain raw power are mesa and titania, so you're bringing literally one of two good frames or you're deadweight. Meanwhile with 4 corpros, he's just as doable with any weapon/frame combo. Better bring steel charge tho, wouldn't want to limit my options by bringing corpro. The only time I'll not care at all about corpro are sub ~lv70 missions or if your frame and/or weapon strips armour. Or if you bring a mesa/titania, I'll allow growing power or pistol amp on those, since that works really well at any time, especially in pub groups without corpro. DE needs to remove corpro from the game and fix armour scaling. Give it some sort of diminishing returns and/or fix the armour curve enemy levels have. Having 99% damage reduction on a few frames is nice and all, but I'd rather only have 60% and not have lv100 enemies have >90%. Truga fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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if you have to play with pubbies, come loaded with enough warcrimes to carry everyone else. if your pubbies are useless and constantly die that's their problem. if you can't kill enough to make up for them being useless it is yours.
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I prefer to match up with utter incompetents with poo poo builds, more warcrimes for me.
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Sandweed posted:I prefer to match up with utter incompetents with poo poo builds, more warcrimes for me. I like you, we should be friends.
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Spudd posted:Man I can't believe that moba people have a better attitude towards pubbies... the most common factor in any loss is yourself, blaming others for a failure is a cop out. Especially in a game where you can just play Volt/Saryn and win everything forever. Step up, or shut up and be humble. You'll never convince me that "this goon should use the aura that allows their teammates to use the largest variety of weapon and warframes" is actually a horrible, anti-pubbie stance that I have because I'm bad at video game. AggressivelyStupid posted:Giggily, no build benefits from physique; but I like what you're doing, carry on Yeah, I meant to type loot detector but my brain was thinking about terrible auras.
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Hobold posted:No, I can't. My build is maxed out. Here - I fixed your dumb build: https://goo.gl/VLeySm All it cost was 15% power chance which isn't even remotely meaningful and odds are you'll get more benefit our of this build anyway. If you maxed your build without being able to run corrosive projection, you maxed your build wrong. You can play however you want, but if you're trying to "min/max" and do it without corpro, you're simply not doing that.
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They're waiting for me to forma all my frames for CorPro and re-level them first. Then they'll fix it.
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BeAuMaN posted:I've been running with pubbies lately, but uh... I usually use this guide for Plains of Eidolon stuff (Did a goon write it? I just love how you refer to lures as "dolans". makes it more enjoyable.
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Sandweed posted:I prefer to match up with utter incompetents with poo poo builds, more warcrimes for me. Same, but I make sure to let the others enjoy it too by bringing poo poo builds. Lork posted:I've played all of them except for the latest one. Like I said, most of them perform their function on a basic level - that's more than good enough for 90% of the content in the game, so it's fine, use what you want. However, you're not going to get me to renounce the idea that calling someone an idiot because they don't make the most of loving fire walker and blazing chakram is laughable and should be called out. I think you're imagining more insults than are actually happening. Also what kind of example of a bad power is Fire Walker?? Why in the world would you not want a movement speed buff in a game about going fast on a frame that can go fast in a really funny way. e: also, goons get way more upset about people not using Corrosive Projection than Rhinos not using Roar or Nezhas not Fire Walking. aegof fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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New relay is pretty nice. More compact, and things are closer to the front than they were. Except Baro. Looks like his spot got moved to the back. Also a lot of the folks from Fortuna hanging around. Might get their own room?
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aegof posted:Also what kind of example of a bad power is Fire Walker?? Why in the world would you not want a movement speed buff in a game about going fast on a frame that can go fast in a really funny way. And Blazing Chakram is awesome for teleporting around rapidly between groups of enemies 
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Fire Walker is real good. It’s basically the other half of Nezha’s survivability package, giving you crowd control, speed-tanking, and, of course, a small but useful amount of damage. It lets me rack up hilarious kill-counts in Interception missions.
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literally all i did was say that it's loving stupid to tell people that most frames only have one good skill when that's outright false in a game where 99.9999% of the time the game is piss easy and people more or less make their own fun, i don't know where all this Oh Woe Is Me My Freedom Is Being Oppressed poo poo came from people can build however the hell they want as long as they're not just lying to people, mainly new players, about why they're doing it
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Hey guess what, CorPro is actually entirely unnecessary bar 120+ level grineer (which most people don't really fight, more work around) and Tridolons. If you're playing the game regularly and doing non-really high end stuff, don't worry about CorPro like, at all. Build however you fancy it, everything will work up to a point like said really high end encounters.
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Kokoro Wish posted:Hey guess what, CorPro is actually entirely unnecessary bar 120+ level grineer (which most people don't really fight, more work around) and Tridolons. If you're playing the game regularly and doing non-really high end stuff, don't worry about CorPro like, at all. For people that don't have lots of mods and upgrades a level 50 enemy is as hard as a level 120 enemy for someone with all the mods and endo in the world.
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Johnny Joestar posted:if you're only using a single power on the vast majority of warframes then you're pretty much willingly gimping yourself and the degree to which people go out of their way to use a frame in a crap way and then complain about it being crap astounds me sometimes The only reason I don't use more than 2 powers on any frame is because I feel like I never have energy and Im bad at modding warframes and stuff in general 
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Also trying to build my Tekko Punch Gauntlets for MAXIMUM CRITICAL CHANCE so maybe I'll have something to say about it in 3 weeks when I've farmed everything I can
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CODChimera posted:I always use Corpro and it's probably because of this thread. I'll admit, I don't. For example, I have a Limbo spy build that uses Sprint Boost; I'd even say it's the optimal aura for that mission type. Similarly, I could imagine that Infested Impedance would be optimal in a defection mission and 'something else' might be optimal for those e-peen solo survival runs. And heck, pre-focus system, 4x energy siphon was even a thing. So, in some ways, you always slot corpro nowadays because: (i) the best way to advance is to queue up for endless 'murder everything' missions, (ii) corpro is much better for that purpose than anything else; and (iii) aura polarity means you can't easily switch auras. But, significantly, you can create some diversity by changing any of the three. It doesn't have to be armor scaling.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:The only reason I don't use more than 2 powers on any frame is because I feel like I never have energy and Im bad at modding warframes and stuff in general some of that stuff comes in time with just some experience and a couple of useful mods that people might have spares to give, don't fret too much about it
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Kokoro Wish posted:Hey guess what, CorPro is actually entirely unnecessary bar 120+ level grineer (which most people don't really fight, more work around) and Tridolons. If you're playing the game regularly and doing non-really high end stuff, don't worry about CorPro like, at all. Build however you fancy it, everything will work up to a point like said really high end encounters. This is false. CorPro makes vast majority of content easy if not trivial - regardless of gearing. It's the great equilizer. Your umbral build, your 3,000 plat arca plasmor riven and all the maxed primed mods do not bring the same utility to the team as a 4th corpro. Even if it's just a lvl 30 mission, the 4th corpro allows the newbie goon to feel useful and actually able to do damage with his crappy unpotato'd gun with non maxed non primed mods. If you're not bringing corpro - you're just being a selfish prick.
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Johnny Joestar posted:some of that stuff comes in time with just some experience and a couple of useful mods that people might have spares to give, don't fret too much about it I'm not overly worried, I just kinda wish I could make all the frames and all the guns/weapons fun. Its not entirely possible for myself, but I can dream, damnit!
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gaj70 posted:I'll admit, I don't. For example, I have a Limbo spy build that uses Sprint Boost; I'd even say it's the optimal aura for that mission type. Similarly, I could imagine that Infested Impedance would be optimal in a defection mission and 'something else' might be optimal for those e-peen solo survival runs. And heck, pre-focus system, 4x energy siphon was even a thing. To be fair, if you are killing things in spy missions, you are doing something horribly wrong. CorPro is a mod for killing. It's irrelevant what "killing" tools you bring to a spy mission.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:The only reason I don't use more than 2 powers on any frame is because I feel like I never have energy and Im bad at modding warframes and stuff in general Some suggestions to look at acquiring that can help: Efficiency http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Fleeting_Expertise http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Streamline More energy http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Primed_Flow Restoring http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Rage http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter_Adrenaline http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Blight (Red Veil syndicate weapons and weapon mods) http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Entropy (Cephalon Suda syndicate weapons and weapon mods) Consumables http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Squad_Energy_Restore_(Medium) (From Clan energy lab) http://warframe.wikia.com/wiki/Squad_Energy_Restore_(Large) (Rank 3 Perrin Sequence or Arbiters of Hexis) Some of these are harder to get than others. Primed Flow, for example, should probably be the lowest priority of these. But any combination of three of them should greatly alleviate your energy issues. You know, because your list of "things to get" is so short.
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aegof posted:Some suggestions to look at acquiring that can help: Ok this is probably a dumb question but basically the whole "Convert damage to energy" negates X% damage and replenishes energy from that, correct? Cause I think when I first read it I read it as "You still take X damage, but it also replenishes Y energy based on 40% of X"
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Ok this is probably a dumb question but basically the whole "Convert damage to energy" negates X% damage and replenishes energy from that, correct? No, you have it right. You're taking damage AND gaining energy.
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Ok, so I wasn't going crazy. Cause I was going to say, if you negate 40% damage that'd be insane and a super-must on everything!
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FileNotFound posted:This is false. Are you playing with pubs at all? In that case you're never going to be running a full suite of CorPros outside of aforementioned high level content. Infact it's more than likely that you'll be the ony one doing so. The devs have said on stream that they keep an eye on the Aura use, and CorPro is not the most frequent pick. Not by far according to them. Alot of other ones get used before CorPro. If you run nothing but organised teams then you may see the benefit of that 4th CorPro, but if you're not, you'll more than likely never see it. Is it a good Aura, yes, but for general use, you can use anything and still see benefits. Well, with the exception of that shield reduction one, maybe. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:Are ypu playing with pubs at all? In that case you're never going to be running a full suite of CorPros. Infact it's more than likely that you'll be the ony one doing so. The devs have said on stream that they keep an eye on the Aura use, and CorPro is not the most frequent pick. Not by far according to them. Alot of other ones get used before CorPro. If you run nothing but organised teams then you may see the benefit of that 4th CorPro, but if you're not, you'll more than likely never see it. I don't give a rats rear end what you bring to pub groups. Go naked for all I care. If I x up for goon anything - the aura I'll be running is corpro. Even with pubbies, if the other 3 are idiots and bring the poo poo aura, that is their choice. I will not be the idiot. Also - I have been in plenty 4 corpro groups with pubbies - even outside of sorties. FileNotFound fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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ARE YOU READY FOR A SACRIFICE, TENNO?! *sells corpro mods*
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FileNotFound posted:I don't give a rats rear end what you bring I don't know why people don't stop there. I mean I guess I do, it's the passion I don't get. (I prefer seeing sprint boost over corpro because at least sprint boost rhino vs sortie 3 Lephantis is funny.)
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Ok, so I wasn't going crazy. Cause I was going to say, if you negate 40% damage that'd be insane and a super-must on everything! It's still really nice on anything that can regen health (tank oberon, inaros, wukong). I think it can be net positive energy on the cycle.
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I mean, I'm not gonna care what aura you're slotting in on the privacy of your own home or group of like minded pubs but if you're joining a group run in our fine goon establishment then you better have the decency to bring a CorPro.
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aegof posted:I don't know why people don't stop there. I mean I guess I do, it's the passion I don't get. Because so much of the game is grinding, and the best way to make that grinding go faster is to kill guys faster. An extra second for each kill adds up when you're shooting thousands of guys.
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FileNotFound posted:To be fair, if you are killing things in spy missions, you are doing something horribly wrong. CorPro is a mod for killing. Ehhhhhh unless you're running Ivara (or loki/ocatvia for some bizarre reason) and stealthing the whole way to the objective, you're going to train mobs to the hacking console which you have to deal with before you move on. If it's a level 3 mission, it's trivial. If it's a level 100-120 sortie mission with enhanced enemy strength it's a non-trivial problem. Not enough to necessitate corpro (I run enemy radar on my Limbo for spy) but enough that you're not necessarily doing something wrong if you are killing. But I just finished building Ivara last night and I have the rep to buy the cloak mod so bullshit trivial spy missions here I come!
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xanif posted:Ehhhhhh unless you're running Ivara (or loki/ocatvia for some bizarre reason) and stealthing the whole way to the objective, you're going to train mobs to the hacking console which you have to deal with before you move on. I use Ivara for spy missions and I've never had any issues with enemies following me. They barely even notice me bullet jumping past them all unstealthed in sorties. Just got to be careful not to get stuck anywhere. Also sorties only go up to lvl 100.
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The thing is that for especially grindy content like the ever present affinity and focus farming, one less corpro can usually mean 20k-40k less focus per run. I hate how poorly designed auras are and I'd really love to be able to drop corpro for anything else (besides energy siphon for missions where I don't need to kill stuff like spy and plains gathering). Basically every single aura is boring as hell, so if they all suck I'd rather use one that actually helps the most.
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Sininu posted:I use Ivara for spy missions and I've never had any issues with enemies following me. They barely even notice me bullet jumping past them all unstealthed in sorties. Just got to be careful not to get stuck anywhere. Also sorties only go up to lvl 100. Sorry, yea. 100. No idea where I got 120. And yea, that's why I've been looking forward to Ivara. Limbo is good but mobs follow you. I can't wait to just casually stroll through the entire map w/o having to kill a single thing. Except I'll probably keep using limbo for the Lua spy mission since you can drop aggro just by going into the void portal and Limbo's phase shift is good for running through the electrified puddles in one of the puzzles.
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