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iospace posted:I mean, they do own Ferrari, so it checks out. ah yes one overhyped super car makes up for an entire history of mismanagement
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Marijuana posted:folks, "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" was a put down directed at middle-class communists. ehhhh that's a debatable one because it gets paraphrased and misattributed a lot compare: quote:"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." and quote:"Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: ‘After the revolution even we will have more, won’t we, dear?’ Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property. personally i prefer vonnegut quote:“America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves... It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters.” quote:“Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue... Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say, Napoleonic times.”
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Marijuana posted:folks, "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" was a put down directed at middle-class communists. what
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i guess should add "if he even said that at all"
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Cocoa Crispies posted:nah, by like '09 the Prius could go a mile or so and up to like 40 mph on the electrics only 10 mph unless in the plugin prius also not more than 5-10% of throttle or it turns on anyway.
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Marijuana posted:i guess should add "if he even said that at all" tbf the full quote that gets cut down and attributed to steinbeck is absolutely criticizing communists "of easy circumstances" which we've been seein a lot of again in the past year or so you don't hafta look any further than new dsa members crusading against ableist language to see it
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Marijuana posted:i guess should add "if he even said that at all" He never did, to my knowledge. Someone asked "why do people suck up to billionaires" and I explained why from a generic standpoint.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:tbf the full quote that gets cut down and attributed to steinbeck is absolutely criticizing communists "of easy circumstances" which we've been seein a lot of again in the past year or so your example of leftism gone to far is "having sensitivity towards people with disabilities"? I'm trying to come up with a charitable interpretation of what you're saying but I can't find it.
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yeah as someone who works with people who have disabilities i have never noticed much of a difference in class attitudes there. the most common opinion is "oh the work you do is so important!" followed by inaccurate and patronizing comments about my clients and misunderstanding about how the people who have more understanding are those who have worked in human services, or who have a family member or friend who they've helped fight bureaucracies for benefits and health care. even super rich people aren't going to pass up social security/medicare paying bills for their family
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jit bull transpile posted:your example of leftism gone to far is "having sensitivity towards people with disabilities"? I'm trying to come up with a charitable interpretation of what you're saying but I can't find it. i take it you haven't followed the ch*po/nyc dsa drama?
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lol how do you get "leftism gone too far" fromquote:so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams and quote:but the ones I knew—at least they claimed to be Communists—couldn’t have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves like way to miss the point steinbeck's making there lmao
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Sep 6, 2018 23:00
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we're asking about your lovely dismissal of people caring about those with disabilities
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Lutha Mahtin posted:we're asking about your lovely dismissal of people caring about those with disabilities there's currently a fair amount of infighting going on from that angle but ofc you must already know that if you think that's a lovely dismissal
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and well, if you're not familiar whoo boy there's some funny stuff way further than just newly converted neolib people tryin to get leftists excommunicated for using terms like "crazy" pejoratively it's all really online tho. nothing so bad as what steinbeck's describing
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Zamujasa posted:nah the prius and the insight (honda's version) both kill the ice, though the insight's will turn on if you let off the brake. the prius will actually drive a little bit before the ice turns back on, or will just stay in ev mode if you're putting through a parking lot at 10 miles an hour didn't actually know that, thanks. volt's pretty different just because it refuses to run the ice unless strictly necessary, all the motive power comes right outta the battery 'til you hit... 80mph i think? that said right now i'm stuck in fuel maintenance until I get down to about 1/3 and fill it up because lol my tank is like a year old (e) so more of a full electric with a gasoline-powered electric generator handy than a hybrid, except it ALSO has the fancy hybrid drivetrain stuff Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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hobbesmaster posted:i take it you haven't followed the ch*po/nyc dsa drama? no I don't pay attention to podcasts. enlighten me.
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So are you just mad that it's no longer cool to use the r-word, or are you complaining about the people who insist it's ableist to use language like "I see what you mean" or "don't give me the run-around" because in the latter case I know a guy who will give you a pretty good deal on straw.
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hobbesmaster posted:i take it you haven't followed the ch*po/nyc dsa drama? why would i care about the drama between some trust fund gbs posters and some cops
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Sagebrush posted:So are you just mad that it's no longer cool to use the r-word, or are you complaining about the people who insist it's ableist to use language like "I see what you mean" or "don't give me the run-around" because in the latter case I know a guy who will give you a pretty good deal on straw. to give you an example, earlier this year the now-defunct disability working group got up in arms about a medicare for all canvassing workshop in nyc, because they felt that the location was insufficiently ada-accessible
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Sagebrush posted:So are you just mad that it's no longer cool to use the r-word, reprobate?
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infernal machines posted:reprobate? #resistance
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infernal machines posted:reprobate? rich they're just so oppressed!!
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I just see the r word as the new “idiot” but I can understand why people don’t like one over the other since it’s connotation isn’t as old there are lots of ways to call someone stupid that are more colourful anyways
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:to give you an example, earlier this year the now-defunct disability working group got up in arms about a medicare for all canvassing workshop in nyc, because they felt that the location was insufficiently ada-accessible reading the screen shots, those are pretty obvious concern trolls and not actually activists, at least to my eyes. I've never met an actual disability advocate who would expect something like a door knocking event to be magically 100% accessible to those with reduced mobility. if dsa is actually like that them holy poo poo. sorry to have misinterpreted you. on sa people complaining about anti-ableism are nearly always mad about being called out on slur usage and the like.
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don't get me wrong getting mad at ableist language also rules https://twitter.com/CIAGoFundMe/status/1035871804953427971
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:don't get me wrong getting mad at ableist language also rules lol. the concept of ableism is not difficult to grasp. how do internet people miss the point so badly? like, are they actually secret racists who think being Asian is a disability?
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jit bull transpile posted:lol. the concept of ableism is not difficult to grasp. how do internet people miss the point so badly? it’s the crazy word they don’t like lol
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yeah crazy is a pejorative term for someone with mental issues.
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jit bull transpile posted:reading the screen shots, those are pretty obvious concern trolls and not actually activists, at least to my eyes. I've never met an actual disability advocate who would expect something like a door knocking event to be magically 100% accessible to those with reduced mobility. if dsa is actually like that them holy poo poo. sincere or not they’re going full judean people’s front on Medicare for all efforts
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whats the suggested replacement word?? nutso? thats nutso!
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Shaggar posted:yeah crazy is a pejorative term for someone with mental issues. it’s insane imo
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Shaggar posted:yeah crazy is a pejorative term for someone with mental issues. like maineiac
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:it’s insane imo
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it turns out that a lot of words we use every day are actually kinda lovely. weird, huh? i think the best action is to get mad at people who point this out.
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like, the correct action is to just not imply that other people have mental issues as some sort of put down. crazy is pretty deeply ingrained in our language right now and it's going to be a long time before the concept of it as a slur hits the mainstream, but like... that's how it goes with slurs.
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i wonder how things are going to turn out for “sperg”/“aspie” in the end.
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boy if you think those aren't already bad i've got some news for you
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i still don't understand why hph thinks that a good place to try and move overton window toward fashy dismissal of disability rights is the elon musk laugh thread in the funy computer section of something awful dot com
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President Beep posted:i wonder how things are going to turn out for “sperg”/“aspie” in the end. yeah those.. aren't great words lol hope you're not using them in public
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