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The_Doctor posted:I haven't heard from Art Malik in years. But you have heard of him! (In fairness, the first thing he was in recent-ishly which occurs to me was that Labour Party PPB from a couple of years ago.)
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Safeword posted:So why did the Doctor get all pissy at that guy for kicking Tim off the crane? We're in the "actively trying to harm someone that has already been subdued is wrong" part of the Doctor's lifecycle (in opposition to the "holy poo poo, Burke and Hare, I'm your biggest fans!!!" part of the cycle) Robert J. Omb posted:b) She’d already detonated five bombs in Tim’s head. This is one of those "well, technicalllly" things where the Doctor had just put their bombs back in Tim's tentacle machine and he was the one that then downloaded them into himself and then later activated them himself intending to kill everyone else. Box of Bunnies fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Box of Bunnies posted:We're in the "actively trying to harm someone that has already been subdued is wrong" part of the Doctor's lifecycle (in opposition to the "holy poo poo, Burke and Hare, I'm your biggest fans!!!" part of the cycle) That stuck out to me as well, and yeah that's my best guess at it. Doing the classic Who villain petard hoist got the message across just fine to me, I didn't particularly want or need to see 13 be that nice and nonviolent, especially towards someone who was shown to be an unrepentant killer and hunter of her favorite pals the humans. It's the right direction to go after 12 was introduced heavily, heavily, HEAVILY implied to just straight up kill a sentient being because it was the way to save the day, but they laid it on too thick for my taste.
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Jerusalem posted:I'd personally recommend: I'd also throw in Empty Child/Doctor Dances, mostly because Ecclestone is amazing, and because it's terrifying and hilarious in a way that I wish every episode was. Eugh. The show made it look all soft and hoodie-material, not that rubbish raincoat. Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Oct 8, 2018 10:41
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The Doctor made a thing about how Tim Shaw had done it all to himself, by transferring the bombs and then choosing to detonate them. Karl ruined that by actively pushing him off the crane.
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Oct 8, 2018 10:46
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This episode was the highest rated episode since 2013, apparently.
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Oct 8, 2018 10:51
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Safeword posted:So why did the Doctor get all pissy at that guy for kicking Tim off the crane? Because he was already beaten. Fighting to defend yourself or others is regrettable but sometimes necessary. Putting the boot to someone who's already down is unnecessary and uncalled for.
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Oct 8, 2018 10:53
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Don't you think Karl looks tired?
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Unfortunately, that episode seemed to confirm my biggest reservation about this series - that Chris Chibnall is absolutely nowhere near the writer that RTD or Moffat were in their prime - or even just their respective first eps as showrunner. Were it not for the fact it's a regen episode, I don't think the script would be memorable in any way, which is worrying, seeing as it's supposed to be Chibnall setting out his stall. I was also surprised at how little it seemed new-viewer-friendly - I thought The Pilot was much better at laying out to a newcomer what Doctor Who can be and is about. Liked Whittaker enormously though, and found myself far more interested in Graham than Ryan or Yas - thought it would be the other way round if anything.
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Oct 8, 2018 11:03
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I think it did a good job appealing to new and lapsed viewers. Just anecdotally, a fair few people I know who haven't watched the show regularly since the early Matt Smith years tuned in and absolutely loved it.
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Oct 8, 2018 11:18
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 At the very real risk of being 'that guy', did the new screwdriver design remind any other viewers of something else?
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Oct 8, 2018 11:20
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spog posted:At the very real risk of being 'that guy', did the new screwdriver design remind any other viewers of something else? A spoon? 
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Oct 8, 2018 11:27
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spog posted:At the very real risk of being 'that guy', did the new screwdriver design remind any other viewers of something else? no, no one in history since the moment the new sonic was shown has made that observation you are totally the first
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If you're thinking what I'm thinking you're thinking it is, I think that's a bit of a stretch
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Oct 8, 2018 11:29
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If you look at it as presented in that picture with the right side (which we know is actually the bottom) as the top it looks like an alien finger to me. The "hurr, it looks like a sex toy" thing we've been hearing since it was revealed always seemed a bit tryhard and "oh, it has three settings!" from Fatal Death like "haha, the Doctor is a woman now so her screwdriver is a vibrator" while we were getting literal cock measuring competitions between Doctors with them with Moffat
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Oct 8, 2018 11:38
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Personally, I think one of the things JNT did right was getting rid of the sonic screwdriver near the start of the Fifth Doctor's run. It was way too easy for writers to have the Doctor fall back on it just to solve a problem, and the only reason it exists currently is to sell toys to (man)children.
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Oct 8, 2018 11:44
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Wheat Loaf posted:This episode was the highest rated episode since 2013, apparently. Good news! spog posted:At the very real risk of being 'that guy', did the new screwdriver design remind any other viewers of something else? One of Davros' fingers?
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Oct 8, 2018 11:48
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Personally, I think one of the things JNT did right was getting rid of the sonic screwdriver near the start of the Fifth Doctor's run. It was way too easy for writers to have the Doctor fall back on it just to solve a problem, and the only reason it exists currently is to sell toys to (man)children. I was quite happy when it was just a very good screwdriver instead of being a phone, computer, GPS, mp3 player, divining rod, USB stick, or - as you say - easy plot issue solver. "What are you going to do, assemble a cabinet at them?”
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https://twitter.com/pipmadeley/status/1049052478560489478
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spog posted:I was quite happy when it was just a very good screwdriver instead of being a phone, computer, GPS, mp3 player, divining rod, USB stick, or - as you say - easy plot issue solver. I don't mind when it's a scanner. Curious to see how to this incarnation's love of gadgets plays out though. It's when you get stupid poo poo like Rings of Akhaten where there's a whole bit about opening a door by sonicing really. hard. that it bugs me
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Oct 8, 2018 12:10
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spog posted:When you think about it, if you are a 7 foot tall, armour-plated alien warrior, killing an unarmed and unprepared human isn't a particularly challenging way of proving what a great soldier you are. Sure, on an inhospitably hot planet full of savage primitives. It'd be like having to go catch an alien on Venus.
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Oct 8, 2018 12:12
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I think my favourite Sonic Screwdriver joke was with Captain Jack's intro episode. "It's fine, I have sonic too." "Sonic what?" "It's all good, I'm sonic'd up!" "What kind of Sonic..." "IT'S A SCREWDRIVER!" Then later "Who takes a screwdriver and decides "Oooh, this could be more *~sonic~*" "What, never been bored? Never had a long night and a lot of cabinets to put up?!"
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Oct 8, 2018 12:23
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Yeah that was a good episode.
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Oct 8, 2018 12:32
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Sure, on an inhospitably hot planet full of savage primitives. It'd be like having to go catch an alien on Venus. Do they have Linkedin on Venus? https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-brian-wright-ba8786172/
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Oct 8, 2018 12:37
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spog posted:"What are you going to do, assemble a cabinet at them?” Should've used that one on Harriet Jones (MP Flydale North).
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Yes, we know who she is
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I don't mind when it's a scanner. Curious to see how to this incarnation's love of gadgets plays out though. A door which is explicitly sound-controlled? In the scene with the giant monster that's kept controlled by singing at it, where the henchthings are using sonic attacks from their weird cyber-voiceboxes? Akhaten was the one place it should work.
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Oct 8, 2018 12:52
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A joke from an episode that's not well liked that I liked was the Sandman one with the door that the drunken workers had reprogrammed to only open if you sing "Sandman" at it because they thought it was funny.
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Wheat Loaf posted:This episode was the highest rated episode since 2013, apparently. I've heard that it's higher rated than The Christmas Invasion, The Eleventh Hour, and Deep Breath; the only reason it doesn't beat Rose too is because the rating system being used back then can't be directly compared against. And wow, does it deserve it. I admit, my critical thinking is a little bit shot after that one and basically just seeing everything I've wanted for almost a year now on screen, but that was probably the best episode and character introduction of all of them, and I'm enjoying it way more than I thought. I'm especially a fan of the idea that this Doctor's really big on tinkering, and I hope that stays true, because that's got some really fun potential. I love how everybody thought before airing that the new sonic screwdriver was going to be sort of chitinous and bio-organic, more fitting of RTD's TARDIS than anything else, and then we actually see it, and... nope! It's spoons. It's made of spoons. Also: not ashamed to admit I'm in love with the new theme tune. It sounds absolutely amazing.
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The theme tune is the best one since Trial of a Timelord. And that’s because they did the correct thing and smash the Trial theme against the original Derbyshire and got this. 
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Jerusalem posted:Good news! When I first saw Tim, I thought "That's where she gets it from!" Lunatic Sledge posted:yeah I eagerly anticipate nerds tripping over themselves to exaggerate the smallest poo poo and/or make up flaws wholesale to justify their conclusions about DOCTOR WOMAN, BAD DOCTOR Some are losing their poo poo at the line "It's been a while since I've bought clothes for a woman[/i]. Because it just can't be a funny line, nope, it's Chibs trying to rewrite Who history by suggesting that the Doctor was a woman before Hartnell. I saw one person brag that they "Had a spine and not watch the show". One said they'll keep watching, but the show's now about a Time Lady who stole the Doctor's identity. Davros1 fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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Among the newspaper clippings was one about a solar storm passing the UK and leaving it unharmed. Am I to take it that was a reference to stuff in the sky when the guy's sister disappeared or was it actually about the dumb In the Forest of the Night episode? I ask because I was trying to justify Graham's "there's no such things as aliens!" in my head. I know most of the RTD alien invasion episodes got eliminated by the cracks in time, and I was trying to think of any other world scale "alien" threats that would have been during Capaldi's time on earth. Missy's Cybermen were probably the biggest, but I'm guessing they could be explained as a strictly human phenomena. In actuality I know it's just the show resetting itself for new viewers, it's just one of those annoying details that would be nice to at least attempt a handwave away.
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I dunno. I was really looking forward to Jodie Whittaker because she's great in everything I've seen her in, and because I know there are a bunch of weirdos pearl clutching about a lady doctor. But the actual episode felt like a so-so monster of the week episode stretched into a two parter when it should have been more grand in scale as a introduction to a new Doctor. Filming it in modern day and building a single monster suit made it feel like they cheaped out on it. Plus the three companions were weirdly boring.
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Frankenstyle posted:I dunno. I was really looking forward to Jodie Whittaker because she's great in everything I've seen her in, and because I know there are a bunch of weirdos pearl clutching about a lady doctor. But the actual episode felt like a so-so monster of the week episode stretched into a two parter when it should have been more grand in scale as a introduction to a new Doctor. Filming it in modern day and building a single monster suit made it feel like they cheaped out on it. Plus the three companions were weirdly boring. This is exactly my take on it too. The actual story felt like a mid-season filler script
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I was fine with the story, it's refreshing to not have "planet/galaxy/universe in peril" stories and just focus on the Doctor and her new pals. Granted, it did feel more than a bit "Predator on the cheap" in regards to the new alien, but it didn't bother me enough to make me dislike the rest of the episode or anything. My only real grumble would be that I dearly wish they'd get away from the whole "most of the companions come from modern day Earth" thing the revived series seems to be stuck on.
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The only thing that was unrealistic was the train scene. The lights going off and a bundle of wires attacking you is just a normal day on Northern Rail. 
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I hope at some point she's offered a pear and adamantly refuses to eat it.
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Finally caught the episode and very much enjoyed it. You could instantly tell Jodie was the Doctor as soon as she started talking, and I really enjoyed the rest of the cast as well. Tim Shaw was kind of an "eh" villain but the rest I really liked.
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Safeword posted:So why did the Doctor get all pissy at that guy for kicking Tim off the crane? That was another thing that felt very Tom Baker-y to me. Her indignation at a defeated foe being put to the sword and her earlier comment about only idiots carrying knives around were basically callbacks to 4’s initial relationship with Leela.
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I got a lot of Eleventh Hour vibes from this episode, with a few subversions, such as the two aliens not feuding with one another, and the lady that's dressed as a cop is actually a cop They even did the "I am the Doctor" reveal on top of a tall set Two pieces I think may be her theme: the one when she's on the crane, and a sadder one when she's talking about her family after the funeral
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