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what sort of army comp should i be putting together early on in tomb kings? ive been using lots of archers and then a bunch of skeleton warriors to defend them, but the skeleton warriors seem really, really weak and get busted up very easily. this settra crown of nekehara vs chaos quest is kicking my rear end.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:its just very strange to me that GW would go 'huh i guess people hate mummies' instead of 'huh i guess people dont want to spend a fortune on an army that is underpowered' I think it relates to GW's weird mindset that the hobby is all about collecting and painting minis with the game itself being a secondary concern. Therefore if minis aren't selling, it must be that people don't like the minis, rather than anything to do with the game rules.
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Didn't they brag about not doing any market research? Everything I know about Games Workshop comes from longtime Warhammer fans who have a million gripes about the company so I don't know how true that is. e: vv Huh, learned a new word Mantis42 fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Oct 21, 2018 05:42
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Mantis42 posted:Didn't they brag about not doing any market research? Kirby posted:Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things are otiose in a niche.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:48
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Seems like if they had done market research they would have realized that teenagers definitely did NOT have the kind of disposable income required to actually engage with their product in a meaningful way.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:51
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Note that guy has since been fired.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:51
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i think the management has changed since then but yeah gw is/was insane i wish i could have krell as a standalone legendary lord, he gets liberated from kemmler in end times and becomes nagash's main homie along with arkhan.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:53
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Night10194 posted:Note that guy has since been fired. Pity they did that and got their poo poo together after they blew up their good setting. Oh well.
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Oct 21, 2018 06:01
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Mantis42 posted:Didn't they brag about not doing any market research? For a while there was a GW deathwatch thread because the product was just that bad in comparison to everything else. I think to this day they're still being supplanted in stores by Warmachines stuff.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:what sort of army comp should i be putting together early on in tomb kings? ive been using lots of archers and then a bunch of skeleton warriors to defend them, but the skeleton warriors seem really, really weak and get busted up very easily. this settra crown of nekehara vs chaos quest is kicking my rear end. Chariots. You don’t have any hard hitters until ushabti, and even then you’re going to be very limited on them so chariots are your best damage dealers in the early game. The usual strategy is to either use them to mulch archers or to rear charge the weakest point in the enemy line, causing a rout, so that your skeletons can wrap around and envelop the rest of the enemy line while your chariots chase down the fleeing units (another thing that early TK armies struggle with)
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Sodomy Hussein posted:For a while there was a GW deathwatch thread because the product was just that bad in comparison to everything else. I think to this day they're still being supplanted in stores by Warmachines stuff. I just don't understand the focus on the minis. I'm really into Warhammer poo poo but I've never touched the minis. It seems incredibly boring, and lame. But I love the IP weirdly.
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jokes posted:I just don't understand the focus on the minis. I'm really into Warhammer poo poo but I've never touched the minis. It seems incredibly boring, and lame. But I love the IP weirdly. It can be a lot of fun to make them.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:For a while there was a GW deathwatch thread because the product was just that bad in comparison to everything else. I think to this day they're still being supplanted in stores by Warmachines stuff.
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they can sell a big chunk of resin for £1000, thats the focus on minis. also there wasnt any videogames when warhammer was invented.
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jokes posted:I just don't understand the focus on the minis. I'm really into Warhammer poo poo but I've never touched the minis. It seems incredibly boring, and lame. But I love the IP weirdly. The minis are how they started their business and still the primary moneymaker. Everything else they do is basically supplemental material to help sell minis.
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Anybody else think a souldborne style game where you play a dwarf slayer would be cool?
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side_burned posted:Anybody else think a souldborne style game where you play a dwarf slayer would be cool? Being a Slayer isn't about slow and deliberate positional fighting with big monsters, it's about seeing just how hard you can launch yourself into that monster's face axe-first.
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Getting new management and as a result Improving 40k and Age of Sigmar, and listening to the fans are all good things about new GW. However apparently it was literally written into contract with the old boss that they are not allowed to lower prices. Which is still my sore spot. On the Old World, you can apparently blame the writing team now, it's been said they prefer the Age of Sigmar setting the Mortal Realms to the Old World, because they have much more freedom in writing it, as a result of it's large size and massive amounts of uncharted territory. And while I will say with Age of Sigmar's relaunch and actually explaining the setting, it's because a interesting place in it's own right. I still miss the Old World and would love to have it back. Which is why I am glad that games and stuff still happen there. wiegieman posted:Being a Slayer isn't about slow and deliberate positional fighting with big monsters, it's about seeing just how hard you can launch yourself into that monster's face axe-first. Probably why the Slayer is one of the options in the upcoming Diablo style game.
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I have seen literally the same model being sold now as 20 years ago when I stopped playing WH40k, only difference being 3x the price, incidentally about the same cost as a DLC.
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Mordja posted:Not sure which stores those are, and GW's shares went up over 650% over the last two years, making it Britain's "best performing company." Around 2000, GW had lisence to produce minis for the Lord of the Rings and made buckets of cash off of that. They then turned around and invested it in a slew of brick and mortar stores. Then the cash cow died and the stores begun to struggle. Then the '08 recession hit, and GW stores would up comically understaffed, with only one employee having to cover the entire store's operations in some places. By now, tho, most of the tragicomedy has passed along with the lifespan of these stores and GW has actually bothered to do things like "engage with customers" and "have a facebook page", so things have gotten quite a lot better off, and their money is now being actually invested back into their products instead of being thrown into stores with no prior market research or squandered solely on dividend payouts. Having games like Vermintide and the Total War games probably also helps and probably accounts for at least some of the AoS sales; its important to note that all "fantasy" models get counted as AoS product now, so even if you go out and buy a hellpit abomination to go play in another game or to stick it on your fridge it gets counted as AoS sale (and several games that picked up popularity after AoS came out encouraged this practice). e: the prices are ludicrous as well which is lol go figure
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For those frustrated by the AI's behavior, there are several AI mods out there. A lot of what they do is take the AI's decision making process and encourage it to take more risks. So, for example, it might go for a walled settlement over an unwalled one because the walled settlement was closer and it could potentially attack it this turn. If the AI sees your army outside moving around, even if it thinks it only has a ~40% chance of winning it will still take you on, again depending on stance, bonuses, etc.
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i dont mind age of sigmar i just wish they would bring back the cool story characters we like.
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One notable thing GW has been doing is packing models together in discounted bundles either through their "start collecting" boxes, board games or a plethora of starter sets. They need to get a little more aggressive with this practice imo (give Death Guard start collecting already  ) but it is definitely a step in the right direction
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MonsterEnvy posted:Probably why the Slayer is one of the options in the upcoming Diablo style game. I hope that when you die you get a "you win!" screen then continue from the respawn point as what is narratively a different Slayer.
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wiegieman posted:Being a Slayer isn't about slow and deliberate positional fighting with big monsters, it's about seeing just how hard you can launch yourself into that monster's face axe-first. That's Bloodborne. The Souls games are slow and deliberate, but Bloodborne is fast and aggressive.
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Mordja posted:Not sure which stores those are, and GW's shares went up over 650% over the last two years, making it Britain's "best performing company." HMMmm I wonder what event would make other British companies' stock prices perform noticably worse over the last two years
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The UK used to own the world. Now they make expensive pewter goblins for an incredibly niche hobby. No wonder their Warhammer equivalent are a dying race of elves.
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Mordja posted:Not sure which stores those are, and GW's shares went up over 650% over the last two years, making it Britain's "best performing company." quote:Since installing a new boss in 2015...
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i dont mind age of sigmar i just wish they would bring back the cool story characters we like. Warhammer Legends is doing that a bit. And Gotrek and Felix are getting a new book.
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They should honestly have done the whole alternate universes thing and split the realms. You can have AoS with its advancement then have in the other realm order wins again but pushes back and gets a firmer hold. You can literally test out both and see what your customers like. I'll never touch AoS because i like the world better than the unvierse--who gives a poo poo if its the same empire if they're not in the reikland. The warhammer world and the races in it make me like warhammer so the second you remove the world you've lost me. I'd love to see order expanding and doing all the fun poo poo that chaos normally crushes--chaos is still there and they can still try to crush it. I'd love to hear about the dawi reclaiming lost holds then skaven/greenskins trying to take them. It would be fun to see the forces of the empire make a ton of fortress cities along the chaos waste then have a poo poo load of intrigue in the home land where everything is actually becoming semi safe except for all the cults and skaven. Why can't there just be small changes in the world with no side flat out winning?
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Arghy posted:Why can't there just be small changes in the world with no side flat out winning? Warhammer Fantasy was around for over 30 years, so I was okay with there being an end to it. The problem was that the story surrounding the End Times was just stupid and at times almost goes out of its way to poo poo over the established story. If GW had done some market research to find what their player base actually wanted from the setting's story and had gotten some competent writers, the End Times could have been a fun, epic series of events. And if they had gotten some competent writers to design the new setting, we could perhaps had a fun and interesting new playground for our armies to fight each other. There would still have been complaints, but people would have been less bitter about it. Basically GW is a cautionary tale about why you should never let the simpsons-comic-book-guy style fans of your franchise join your business and run that franchise. They are doing better as a company these days, but boy where they bad for a while.
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Raygereio posted:Then you get the perpetually stagnant story thing which has it's own problems. like when gw shot down the idea of having luthor harkon have an ambiguous ending duelling a chaos champion on a sinking pirate ship and instead had him get killed in the lamest way possible by mannfred-sue
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Apparently there's a Stormcast named Balthas Arum who's almost definitely Balthazar Gelt.
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Dr Christmas posted:Apparently there's a Stormcast named Balthas Arum who's almost definitely Balthazar Gelt. Not even Almost, it's definitely. Nagash confirmed it. Plus he even brought Quicksilver with him.
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side_burned posted:Anybody else think a souldborne style game where you play a dwarf slayer would be cool? I'd play the poo poo out of Soulshammer. A game called Lords of the Fallen was a bit in that direction, the art style and enemy design was pretty Warhammerish at times.
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Something that still bothers me even to this very moment: why the gently caress are deathglobe and poison wind globadiers not specialist artillery that throw... I dunno, loving aoe poison wind globes? The game literally has support for AOE projectiles of all kinds I can't imagine its impossible?
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Motherfucker posted:Something that still bothers me even to this very moment: why the gently caress are deathglobe and poison wind globadiers not specialist artillery that throw... I dunno, loving aoe poison wind globes? The game literally has support for AOE projectiles of all kinds I can't imagine its impossible? But talking about the TW game: I think the Skaven are in a good place artillery wise. The poison wind mortars from the tabletop game would be nice. But I would rather see units like the Ratling Gun, Jezzails, a Brass Orb variant of the Death Globe.
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Death Globe Bombardiers are AoE, and they're goddamn terrifying. Poison Wind Globadiers don't throw AoE globes because Poison Wind Globes don't work like that; in lore, they're basically throwing acid at things, not grenades. Death Globes are more advanced versions of Poison Wind Globes that the Skaven have managed to stabilize so the acid disperses in an area but stays potent enough to kill poo poo. The Poison Wind Mortar, which isn't in the game, shoots massive Poison Wind Globes, so the acid actually lingers too through sheer volume.
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Dr Christmas posted:Apparently there's a Stormcast named Balthas Arum who's almost definitely Balthazar Gelt. There is no way he didn't design their masks. Raygereio posted:Then you get the perpetually stagnant story thing which has it's own problems. See, I honestly thought Storm of Chaos did a fine job of setting up some interesting new stuff that could've been expanded on. You had half the Empire ravaged and a bigass bretonnian crusade now sitting around looking for something to punch. You had an interesting possible religious schism with Valten fighting Archaon and then dying while Karl saved the day- who gets the hammer? Who is The Real Sigmar? You could have even developed some character for chaos as different champions fight over whether Archaon is still top dog. Archaon himself still has a big army and is pissed. Grimgor is all-but-crowned prophet of Gork and is definitely Best, and he's got half the greenskins in the world following him in Middenland. Mannfred is back (which was a big deal then since all the big vampires were dead/MIA up till then) but helped the good guys so he and Karl are in a total will they/won't they relationship. Ungrim's son had actually succeeded in fulfilling the slayer oath only for Ungrim to immediately swear it back to avenge his son. That's not much of a development but it's badass. Morathi was openly leading a Slaanesh cult. Settra was striking back in the Badlands. The skaven had a nuke under Middenheim. The Tod had a whole army list and official models for his unique Ulrik units and was probably not happy about these Sigmarite fucks taking all the credit for the big win. It was the perfect storm for a setting based on "anyone could fight anyone, any time." Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Worth noting that End times happened around the time Homestuck was at it's peak and pretty much had the same "reset the universe" plot compl;ete with a main villain who save scums End Times was Homestuck fanfiction
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