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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Karen is good but her flashback was poo poo and unnecessary

Gravity Cant Apple posted:

Kill off Karen Foggy and give Marci a bigger role

:hai:

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I liked her flashback because I totally felt the frustration of being stuck in a failing business in a small town that you hate, with the rest of your family completely oblivious to how lovely everything is and just using The Secret type reasoning to overlook their financial difficulties, leaving YOU to do everything even though you don't believe in the business. A lot of really smart women have been stuck in a place like that and it makes sense that she'd turn to drugs and parties to try and run away from it all. And all the poo poo that happened makes you totally understand why she thinks she's a bad person deep down throughout the whole series.

Small towns are loving pits that drag you down with them.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Lurdiak posted:

I liked her flashback because I totally felt the frustration of being stuck in a failing business in a small town that you hate, with the rest of your family completely oblivious to how lovely everything is and just using The Secret type reasoning to overlook their financial difficulties, leaving YOU to do everything even though you don't believe in the business. A lot of really smart women have been stuck in a place like that and it makes sense that she'd turn to drugs and parties to try and run away from it all. And all the poo poo that happened makes you totally understand why she thinks she's a bad person deep down throughout the whole series.

Small towns are loving pits that drag you down with them.


:agreed: and it was a really clever way to work in some of Karen's story stuff from Born Again without them flatout turning her into a drug addicted porn star lmfao

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

I’m sure many people here are aware but the way that (comic and tv spoilers) Karen dies in the books is generally considered part of a pretty misogynistic trend of killing women for plot motivation. And while she doesn’t die in born again, she’s tortured and turns into a pornstar, prostitute and heroin addict. It would’ve been pretty tone deaf if they included it. The stakes are just as high without it, and Kingpin and Bullseye are just as despicable.

On the other the show actually does show a Woman in a Refrigerator, killed for plot motivation, who then gets driven around by an autistic incel so ignore everything I said


^did not see that post haha

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Considering Julie was in that same fridge with two male characters who'd been killed off for similar reasons I think we can excuse it.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Lurdiak posted:

Considering Julie was in that same fridge with two male characters who'd been killed off for similar reasons I think we can excuse it.

I didn’t realize those were actual characters, thought they were nameless goons. Curse my small TV

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
I didn't like that they put Matt back in his black costume. Return to form my rear end. They were just scared of it.

Gravity Cant Apple
Jun 25, 2011

guys its just like if you had an apple with a straw n you poked the apple though wit it n a pebbl hadnt dropped through itd stop straw insid the apple because gravity cant apple
Being from a small town, I don't find it very realistic that the drug that everyone is doing is coke. Ain't nobody got that kind of money to blow.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Gravity Cant Apple posted:

Being from a small town, I don't find it very realistic that the drug that everyone is doing is coke. Ain't nobody got that kind of money to blow.

My experience is the opposite. Lot of mill/crew work in my small town so it was a bunch of people with too much money to spend and nothing to spend it on. Coke was ridiculously popular in my single traffic light town.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Gravity Cant Apple posted:

Being from a small town, I don't find it very realistic that the drug that everyone is doing is coke. Ain't nobody got that kind of money to blow.
It's mostly ophiods and heroin that affect rust belt small towns

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I did way more coke when I lived in a small town than I did after moving to the city lmao

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Koalas Massacre posted:

I pretty much only watched for Fisk because Vincent loving DiNofrio is great and the best actor on the show.

THIS.

:stare: I haven't finished the series, but he has been the best so far.

(I also checked his twitter and he seems to be an actual decent human being. And speaks good Spanish. Extra points to this man).

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
S2, I had forgotten in this universe frank had a superpower, which was bullet lodged in his brain that gave him perpetual ptsd shock that gave him heightened fighting prowess

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


D'onofrio is one of those guys who elevates whatever role he's in, and he's got way more range than you might suspect from such an intense man.

Mezzanine
Aug 23, 2009
Yes, and at the very least he has good opinions on Marvel stuff

https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/1054816046283141120

EDIT: wow, reading through his tweets in his Fisk voice is so fun

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Mezzanine posted:


EDIT: wow, reading through his tweets in his Fisk voice is so fun

:lol: Good to know I wasn't the only one.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Mezzanine posted:

EDIT: wow, reading through his tweets in his Fisk voice is so fun

https://twitter.com/vincentdonofrio/status/1054042879885303810

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.
To be fair the Bullseye thing was super dumb. But that guy's suggestion wasn't very good either.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Calaveron posted:

S2, I had forgotten in this universe frank had a superpower, which was bullet lodged in his brain that gave him perpetual ptsd shock that gave him heightened fighting prowess

That and also having friendly fire disabled.

Really want a scene of Frank promising he'd never hurt anyone innocent as he's cleaning a gun and then firing it at someone innocent and the gun just doesn't fire until he isn't pointing it at them.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE

Gaunab posted:

I didn't like that they put Matt back in his black costume. Return to form my rear end. They were just scared of it.

I would have thought he would scrounge up some type of body armor at least. This is the marvel universe, sew some adamantium into your fighting clothes or some poo poo. He could have really used it especially when fighting Bullseye.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

counterfeitsaint posted:

To be fair the Bullseye thing was super dumb. But that guy's suggestion wasn't very good either.

Why, in the comics he broke his back and was given a Wolverine spine.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Just finished, and

PaybackJack posted:

I think Daredevil S3 has been my favorite Netflix show from start to finish.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




S1 is amazing as well tho so I'm still debating if S3 is my fave or just more fresh in my mind right now. But they're definitely on par.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007




Grimey Drawer
I just found out they cancelled Luke Cage and well, that loving sucks. The fact that Disney is launching their own service also makes me want to scream. I'm seriously getting streaming service fatigue.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

Rocksicles posted:

Why, in the comics he broke his back and was given a Wolverine spine.

It's not so much what happened is how the scene went. Slow dramatic zoom in to his face then OH MY GOD HE OPENED HIS EYE cue the epic music sting!!! And he's got a bullseye in his eye get it, cause he's bullseye! It reminded me of one of the Resident Evil movies where someone opened their eye at the end and their iris was the Umbrella logo because sure why not.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I don't mind them pandering to the audience a bit, it's marvel.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

esperterra posted:

My experience is the opposite. Lot of mill/crew work in my small town so it was a bunch of people with too much money to spend and nothing to spend it on. Coke was ridiculously popular in my single traffic light town.

Yeah, I'm in a fairly small town in Appalachia and plenty of people who work for hourly wages here do coke?

There really isn't a popular drug that's missed us, tbqh, and the people they were selling to were college kids.

And that final shot was terrible. Comic nerds figured out that guy was Bullseye by the midpoint of the season. People who don't know anything about Daredevil don't understand the significance of the eyeball reveal. Who's it pandering to?

Baku fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Oct 24, 2018

Andrigaar
Dec 12, 2003
Saint of Killers
It was fun a silly. Why are you mad?

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:

Yeah, I'm in a fairly small town in Appalachia and plenty of people who work for hourly wages here do coke?

There really isn't a popular drug that's missed us, tbqh, and the people they were selling to were college kids.

And that final shot was terrible. Comic nerds figured out that guy was Bullseye by the midpoint of the season. People who don't know anything about Daredevil don't understand the significance of the eyeball reveal. Who's it pandering to?

They were pandering to the people who knew and didn't give a gently caress about the sillyness of the whole thing. It was the birth of a great villain. Comics nerds knew who he was from the get go.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah I mean the minute he freaking kills someone by throwing an empty cartridge through their head, completely breaking physics you'd have to be a dummy not to figure it out.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Personally I'm worried after seeing the FINAL EPISODE, END OF SEASON stinger because Bullseye was already a Problem for everyone even before the metal spine. Now we're getting a Terminator that can kill people with paper airplanes and salt packets. It took Fisk and Matt fighting with him as a priority for the two of them to take him down and now we've got Bullseye Requiem looking for revenge? Matt might need to suck it up and loving call Luke Cage if he wants a smaller body count.

Also, I might've missed it but Did Matt ever get better? I thought he was still half-deaf in the one ear the entire season.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

RareAcumen posted:

Personally I'm worried after seeing the FINAL EPISODE, END OF SEASON stinger because Bullseye was already a Problem for everyone even before the metal spine. Now we're getting a Terminator that can kill people with paper airplanes and salt packets. It took Fisk and Matt fighting with him as a priority for the two of them to take him down and now we've got Bullseye Requiem looking for revenge? Matt might need to suck it up and loving call Luke Cage if he wants a smaller body count.

Also, I might've missed it but Did Matt ever get better? I thought he was still half-deaf in the one ear the entire season.

Nah he got better, but he was just adding an extra head injury to his tally every 5 mins.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.
Part of the reason the Bullseye stinger sucked was it felt like just a obligatory sequel stinger that belongs at the end of every comicbook thing regardless of context.

Do you think we're really going to see him come back? When? Is there gonna be a DDS4, and if so do you really want to see the same villain again? Bullseye was fun and I'm glad he was here this season, but he's no Vincent loving D'Onofrio. I have no interest in seeing him show up again with a metal spine and a dumb eye-whatever he's got. Fancy contact lenses?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I would love to see follow through on any of the "villain's gonna come back!" teases they've done in all these shows. The only one who actually came back was Kingpin.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

counterfeitsaint posted:

Part of the reason the Bullseye stinger sucked was it felt like just a obligatory sequel stinger that belongs at the end of every comicbook thing regardless of context.

Do you think we're really going to see him come back? When? Is there gonna be a DDS4, and if so do you really want to see the same villain again? Bullseye was fun and I'm glad he was here this season, but he's no Vincent loving D'Onofrio. I have no interest in seeing him show up again with a metal spine and a dumb eye-whatever he's got. Fancy contact lenses?

Are you dense, it was a reflection used as a subtle sledgehammer

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
I half expected them to do the sound from the sickness

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib
I get why Karen is not popular with others but I stand by my decision she is awesome. I think the walking down the street scene was a good example.
Matt would have ignored or kicked harrassers rear end being superhuman. Foggy would have avoided or called a cab being rich, and the average woman avoided the harrassers out of self preservation. Karen faced them down with a gun which could have gone all sorts of assways but she did it because she was angry that they scared her and other women

CityMidnightJunky
May 11, 2013

by Smythe
Bullseye didn't seem like that much of a threat tbh. I get what they were going for, with Matt being better at hand to hand so trying to keep the fight close quarters. But it just ended up as Bullseye getting his rear end kicked for 5 minutes until he got enough distance to throw a pencil. I don't buy that Matt lost that first fight bad enough that he suddenly sees Bullseye as this massive undefeatable opponent.

I did really like the character though. How can I put this...I have experience with abandonment issues and I saw a lot of truth in his performance which kind of made me empathize with him while still seeing him as a creepy fucker.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



If he does come back, we getter get these two iconic scenes:

Coney Island
Subway tunnel fight

He also better have his goofy-rear end black and silver costume.

On the whole, S3 was a solid "eh". I liked most of the Fisk scenes. The fights with Bullseye were great, even if there was some sketchy VFX in parts. The rest of it... the show just didn't make me care.

One thing, I kept getting a real weird vibe from Vanessa. She seemed so detached from everything when she returned, even Fisk. But her concern for him at the end seemed genuine. I don't know if it's the writers or actress don't have a good handle, or if it's a setup for S4 (if it happens).

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

CityMidnightJunky posted:

Bullseye didn't seem like that much of a threat tbh. I get what they were going for, with Matt being better at hand to hand so trying to keep the fight close quarters. But it just ended up as Bullseye getting his rear end kicked for 5 minutes until he got enough distance to throw a pencil. I don't buy that Matt lost that first fight bad enough that he suddenly sees Bullseye as this massive undefeatable opponent.

Yeah that dude was getting his rear end kicked lol.

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