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The Atlantic says hate speech laws actually detrimental to free speech https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...U5O8ZgZ417jN7S8
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Goon Danton posted:He literally shouted "all Jews must die" before he opened for on Shabbat services, why do we need to go through the loving "motives unknown" song and dance? it's deliberate. they want to discourage political violence. so they make a huge fuss about minor violations of political civility (like interrupting politicians' dinners) in order to head off any signs of people moving outside the system. but at the same time, whenever anything escalates to actual violence, they sweep the political motive under the rug in order to reduce the risk that people might be inspired to follow the example
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Oct 28, 2018 00:07
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ezra klein is jewish ffs
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Oct 28, 2018 00:09
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Don't forget Dems ruined Mitch and Ted's dinner sometimes. This extremism really is a problem both sides have to work on. https://mobile.twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/1056265052947443713
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Oct 28, 2018 00:22
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has bari weiss made the connection between the killer and her beloved intellectual dark web yet
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Oct 28, 2018 01:52
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Al! posted:has bari weiss made the connection between the killer and her beloved intellectual dark web yet would she ever admit it
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Office Pig posted:would she ever admit it it would offer her a legitimate opportunity to bow out gracefully from her current place as the keeper of the torch for intellectually bankrupt grifters, many of whom are virulent antisemites so no, probably not
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Al! posted:has bari weiss made the connection between the killer and her beloved intellectual dark web yet apparently the shooting happened in the neighborhood where she grew up, so she's not being lovely about things for once however, there's absolutely no mention of the "dark web" folks she complains about rise of anti-Semitism and how more anti-Semites have been showing their bigotry in public...but makes no mention of the groups, leaders, or organizations that have sprung up around them she also doesn't speak of solving or combating anti-Semitism in any way
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Oct 28, 2018 02:01
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Main Paineframe posted:apparently the shooting happened in the neighborhood where she grew up, so she's not being lovely about things for once the way you combat antisemitism is to give it a national platform and shine its leaders up as paragons of intellectual honesty and virtue, clearly
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Oct 28, 2018 02:03
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apparently today is the day trump became president this NYT headline went from "Gun Laws Had 'Little to Do' With Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooting, Trump Says" to "Trump Calls for Unity After Synagogue Shooting, Then Swiftly Denounces Democrats" https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1056334400105967616 https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1056341950264197120
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Main Paineframe posted:apparently the shooting happened in the neighborhood where she grew up, so she's not being lovely about things for once 100 percent of pressed argued only complain about "left wing" antisemitism
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Oct 28, 2018 02:06
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Sazabi posted:Don't forget Dems ruined Mitch and Ted's dinner sometimes. This extremism really is a problem both sides have to work on. https://twitter.com/bruceami/status/1056294545787367424?s=19
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Oct 28, 2018 02:21
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1056115809976836096 "People used to think of jazz musicians as white men."
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Nanomashoes posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1056115809976836096 
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Oct 28, 2018 02:39
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lol what
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front page news, baby https://mobile.twitter.com/bostonherald/status/1056352746427817984 
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Oct 28, 2018 05:51
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at least somebody is willing to say what we've all been thinking
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Oct 28, 2018 08:11
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was she always like this or did 2016 break her mind? pre-2016 she seemed like just a popular lib talking head.
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she does whatever the network wants to get ratings and #resistance people who watch her had their brains broken by 2016
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Oct 28, 2018 10:01
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Was she talking about the FALN specifically or what? Either way: not precursors.
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Oct 28, 2018 10:22
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#resistance people want to believe that "Russian active measures" are behind everything bad that happens, and Rachel's ready to stuff their faces full with validation.
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it’s because she’s a white supremacist. a liberal one, sure, but a white supremacist none the less. all in all, you can see what being forced to remain in the taint of the American Union as an oft-forgotten territory has done for the people of Puerto Rico. they were justified separatists then and even more so now considering the events of this year alone. loving Eva Braun wannabe prick.
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KomradeX posted:The Atlantic says hate speech laws actually detrimental to free speech
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"Today we have a right-wing hatemonger here to answer the question of why right-wing hatemongers are getting so much attention."
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comedyblissoption posted:hate speech laws are detrimental to free speech This isn’t the hot takes thread
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the question is whether free speech laws are more important than lives that article argues that holocaust denial laws are a slippery slope to fascism, and that unrestricted peaceful debate about the Holocaust has proven highly effective at discrediting Holocaust deniers and ending neo-Nazism in America quote:The previous cause celèbre over free speech in Austria was the English historian David Irving’s incarceration for Holocaust denial in 2005. Too few came to Irving’s defense, for the obvious reason that no one wanted to have to go through the metaphorical delousing process that association with that man entails. But note the trajectory: he was thrown in jail for lies, and now E. S.’s conviction is upheld not even for lying but for taking up one side of a controversy whose facts will almost certainly never be determined. The American system of virtually limitless debate has proved highly capable of discrediting Irving, and of allowing Islamophobes and Islamists to yap at each other. It blames violence on the violent. It is a model sadly unreplicated in the world, and its time has come on continents other than our own. they posted that on the same day that the synagogue shooting happened
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It's great to argue endlessly over morally dubious poo poo because taking a stance is the slippery slope to fascism. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to recreationally shove my hand into a garbage disposal again.
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tbf every book and article Ive read by professional debunkers of neo-nazi and holocaust denier poo poo has a disclaimer about the author's preference for academic ostracization over hate speech laws. ofc none of them are particularly upset on behalf of Zundel or anything either, they just believe it is more effective than fueling an insane narrative of persecution
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Frog Act posted:tbf every book and article Ive read by professional debunkers of neo-nazi and holocaust denier poo poo has a disclaimer about the author's preference for academic ostracization over hate speech laws. ofc none of them are particularly upset on behalf of Zundel or anything either, they just believe it is more effective than fueling an insane narrative of persecution Oh gosh we wouldn't want literal nazis making up conspiracy theories about cabals of powerful people being out to get them, that would be unheard of
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A more sensible critique of hate speech laws is that they'd be used near-exclusively as a cudgel against the left and against minority groups, on account of the nature of political power, but that is already a concern with the laws we have now
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Frog Act posted:tbf every book and article Ive read by professional debunkers of neo-nazi and holocaust denier poo poo has a disclaimer about the author's preference for academic ostracization over hate speech laws. ofc none of them are particularly upset on behalf of Zundel or anything either, they just believe it is more effective than fueling an insane narrative of persecution the thing is that academic ostracization does absolutely jack loving poo poo about keeping hate rhetoric off the streets and TV channels hell, climate change deniers were academically ostracized and now they run the loving government when you're a professional debater, it's tempting to say that debate should rule the day. but they'd probably think differently when the neo-Nazi mobs start knocking on THEIR doors
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Goon Danton posted:A more sensible critique of hate speech laws is that they'd be used near-exclusively as a cudgel against the left and against minority groups, on account of the nature of political power, but that is already a concern with the laws we have now See criticism of Israel being made illegal effectively with laws about antisemitism.
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Goon Danton posted:A more sensible critique of hate speech laws is that they'd be used near-exclusively as a cudgel against the left and against minority groups, on account of the nature of political power, but that is already a concern with the laws we have now Plenty of European countries have hate speech laws and, as far as I know, they haven't been used exclusively against the left. Edit: above post is a good counter-example, though in the UK I mostly only remember reading news stories about right wingers getting done for hate speech. UrbicaMortis has issued a correction as of 20:15 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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luv 2 defend religious blasphemy laws
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