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LanceHunter posted:Didn't Bannon have a failed startup whose business plan was basically being a middleman for gold farming? He's also a massive racist, which goes hand-in-hand with the tech industry as a whole.
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Oct 28, 2018 00:33
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GrandpaPants posted:He's also a massive racist, which goes hand-in-hand with the tech industry as a whole. The tech industry as a whole? You can't be serious.
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Oct 28, 2018 00:40
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enraged_camel posted:The tech industry as a whole? You can't be serious. This thread runs on "technology is bad so technology is also anything else bad" racism is bad so every technology company is racist, Trump is bad so every technology company must vote Trump, etc. It doesn't need to be true, you just need to wave vaguely at the phrase "tech bro" and it's fine.
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Oct 28, 2018 00:51
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enraged_camel posted:The tech industry as a whole? You can't be serious. The line is "Surely you can't be serious".
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Oct 28, 2018 02:47
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duz posted:The line is "Surely you can't be serious". Yes, I can be serious, and don't call me "Shirley"!
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Oct 28, 2018 02:52
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duz posted:The line is "Surely you can't be serious". And the reply is "don't call me Shirley" The tech world may not be completely run by chuds, but it is absolutley saturated with them.
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Oct 28, 2018 02:52
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:And the reply is "don't call me Shirley" No it isn’t. The world’s largest and most influential tech companies are located in the US west coast, in areas that are overwhelmingly liberal. The chuds are so few in number inside those companies that they have been complaining about being “oppressed” and “silenced” at work - a laughable proposition, but one that is signal boosted and unfortunately granted legitimacy by media coverage.
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Oct 28, 2018 03:06
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enraged_camel posted:No it isn’t. The world’s largest and most influential tech companies are located in the US west coast, in areas that are overwhelmingly liberal. The chuds are so few in number inside those companies that they have been complaining about being “oppressed” and “silenced” at work - a laughable proposition, but one that is signal boosted and unfortunately granted legitimacy by media coverage. Uh Huh https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-eye-opening-statistics-about-minorities-in-tech/ Wow Many Liberal Much progressive How to redline? Such legitimacy
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Oct 28, 2018 03:13
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enraged_camel posted:No it isn’t. The world’s largest and most influential tech companies are located in the US west coast, in areas that are overwhelmingly liberal. The chuds are so few in number inside those companies that they have been complaining about being “oppressed” and “silenced” at work - a laughable proposition, but one that is signal boosted and unfortunately granted legitimacy by media coverage. You don’t have to wear a MAGA hat and drop hard-Rs to be racist. Liberals can be and often are racist as gently caress.
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Kobayashi posted:You don’t have to wear a MAGA hat and drop hard-Rs to be racist. Liberals can be and often are racist as gently caress. Not to mention the libertarians that make up a significantly higher percentage of the tech sector than the regular population.
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Oct 28, 2018 03:21
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Not to mention the libertarians that make up a significantly higher percentage of the tech sector than the regular population. No they don't.
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Oct 28, 2018 03:31
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Not to mention the libertarians that make up a significantly higher percentage of the tech sector than the regular population. citation needed
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Oct 28, 2018 03:44
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enraged_camel posted:citation needed I've worked for several different IT companies over the last fifteen years and unless every other workplace is 2/3 (or more) libertarians I wouldn't be shocked were it true
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Oct 28, 2018 04:07
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i said citation, not anecdotes
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enraged_camel posted:i said citation, not anecdotes Thanks for the clarification, but I still don't care
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enraged_camel posted:i said citation, not anecdotes It's religious dogma. This will go back and forth till you post the extremely clear studies and survays showing libertarianism is rare in tech entrepreneurs and an extreme minority in employees then a page will pass and the thread will revert right back to claiming it unquestioned. People's worldview for whatever reason depends on it being the case even when it's not.
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Seriously, the four fundamental cornerstones of being a libertarian are tech, property rights, racism and child porn. Is anyone surprised that the tech sector is awash in libertarians?
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Oct 28, 2018 04:17
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enraged_camel posted:i said citation, not anecdotes Here. Or here. Or here. Libertarians don't have the numbers in tech companies that they used to in the 90's and early-00's (as libertarianism has declined in popularity over the last decade-and-a-half), but if you run into a libertarian out there and ask what they do, three times out of four you're gonna find out they work in tech. EDIT: Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's religious dogma. This will go back and forth till you post the extremely clear studies and survays showing libertarianism is rare in tech entrepreneurs and an extreme minority in employees then a page will pass and the thread will revert right back to claiming it unquestioned. People's worldview for whatever reason depends on it being the case even when it's not. The claim wasn't that most of tech was libertarian, it was that most libertarians were in tech.
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Oct 28, 2018 04:18
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Seriously, the four fundamental cornerstones of being a libertarian are tech, property rights, racism and child porn. silicon valley isn't really awash in libertarians, but that means that people who work in silicon valley are bad for other reasons beyond their politics personally i think trying to connect everything to the internet is a god awful idea and symptomatic of how technology has been fully co-opted by growth oriented capitalism away from whatever utopian roots that technology fetishists might still be foolishly clinging to also the really dumb idea that everything can be hacked, leading to the equally dumb idea of trying to lace street heroin with medications and encourage people to brew pharmaceuticals in their garage
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Oct 28, 2018 04:20
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LanceHunter posted:Here. Or here. Or here. That’s interesting because I don’t see anything in those links supporting the claim. Please show something authoritative that says “percentage of libertarians among the general population is X, whereas percentage of libertarians among tech companies is Y” where Y is a “significantly” higher number, as per the original statement.
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Oct 28, 2018 04:22
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LanceHunter posted:The claim wasn't that most of tech was libertarian, it was that most libertarians were in tech. My evidence is also only anecdotal. I wasn't able to find any political distribution data of the tech sector that seemed reliable.
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also justine tunney, who thought that the CEO of google should rule america as a king and inexcusably decided to install a font which converted any s into a long f on her personal blog just the worst, worst idea
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LanceHunter posted:Here. Or here. Or here. None of that is anything.
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The top tech engineers do tend to be libertarian because they got where they are because of the work they did, so it shouldn't be surprising that they are very pro-bootstraps. I know one of the top guys working on the C# compiler is a big libertarian.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:None of that is anything. There isn't a comprehensive survey of the careers held by libertarians. Pew did a big survey of libertarians but didn't ask about their field of work. So there isn't any hard data one way or another. There's the Stanford study that tech itself isn't particularly libertarian now, and while that obviously holds up it doesn't mean there aren't more libertarians in tech than elsewhere. I was going to try to use the campaign contributions to Gary Johnson in 2016 to try and get some kind of idea, but the #1 and #3 industries for contributors to that campaign were "other" and "misc business" (which almost certainly means they wrote some kind of bullshit on the donation form). So yeah, all we really have to go on are the lived experience of a lot of us who work in tech and run into significantly more libertarians there than outside of work (especially those of us who have been in tech for decades). If one really gave a poo poo I guess you could get archives and look at posts on this very forums back in the early 00s, but I'm sure by the time I've posted even this the thread will have moved on. Somebody probably brought up self-driving cars or something.
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LanceHunter posted:So there isn't any hard data one way or another. Well then. Glad that is resolved.
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Tech industry is full of lovely people. Some of those people are conservative assholes. But the idea that Bay Area companies are saturated with them is hilarious to me. I have worked at 8 different companies, and if nothing else the average person at them is closer to "full communism now" D&D poster than a Trump-supporter. These demographics may change substantially at the top, and supporting progressive ideas doesn't stop someone from being a racist or a sexist or w/e, but come on... On another topic - wtf happened to that douchebag James Damore? pokie fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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pokie posted:Tech industry is full of lovely people. Some of those people are conservative assholes. But the idea that Bay Area companies are saturated with them is hilarious to me. I have worked at 8 different companies, and if nothing else the average person at them is closer to "full communism now" D&D poster than a Trump-supporter. These demographics may change substantially at the top, and supporting progressive ideas doesn't stop someone from being a racist or a sexist or w/e, but come on... They may change substantially at the top, but that probably holds true for all companies, not just tech companies.
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Oct 28, 2018 06:27
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enraged_camel posted:They may change substantially at the top, but that probably holds true for all companies, not just tech companies. Now you’re getting it.
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Kobayashi posted:Now you’re getting it. Getting what? Tech industry is not conservative or libertarian. Wishing that was the case doesn't make it so. https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/working-papers/political-behavior-wealthy-americans-evidence-technology
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Oct 28, 2018 06:33
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enraged_camel posted:No it isn’t. The world’s largest and most influential tech companies are located in the US west coast, in areas that are overwhelmingly liberal. The chuds are so few in number inside those companies that they have been complaining about being “oppressed” and “silenced” at work - a laughable proposition, but one that is signal boosted and unfortunately granted legitimacy by media coverage. People who want a strong social safety net when they're in the dumps but become randian superheros when they're secure are called liberals, and they're bad.
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enraged_camel posted:No it isn’t. The world’s largest and most influential tech companies are located in the US west coast, in areas that are overwhelmingly liberal. The chuds are so few in number inside those companies that they have been complaining about being “oppressed” and “silenced” at work - a laughable proposition, but one that is signal boosted and unfortunately granted legitimacy by media coverage. The west coast may be "liberal," but the idea that this somehow precludes being racist as gently caress is hilarious (even if it's more of a passive form of "less them have cake" racism than outside throwing out racial slurs). enraged_camel posted:i said citation, not anecdotes While it's true that most people in tech aren't libertarians, they're also hugely white and male and even when technically liberal aren't exactly good politically. edit: I would actually go as far as to say that characterizing them as libertarians is bad because it lets people ignore the callous nature of white-collar liberals in general, which is common to not only fields like tech, but other well-paid and predominantly white/male fields. So basically I would actually kinda agree that specifically targeting the tech industry in this way isn't helpful, but only because all similar white-collar industries share the characteristics most people attack it for. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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Virtually everyone I've ever met that goes on and on about the distinction between liberal and leftist is college educated white guys of the exact type work in tech. If we can just make up gut feeling statistics I would bet tech is in top three industry for people that would make a distinction that they are leftist but not liberal.
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Ytlaya posted:So basically I would actually kinda agree that specifically targeting the tech industry in this way isn't helpful, but only because all similar white-collar industries share the characteristics most people attack it for. This sounds very right to me.
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Ytlaya posted:
And yet this gross over generalization masks the unique and widespread ways tech companies can easily gently caress up society in your never ending quest to be mad at anyone making over $15/hour.
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Ytlaya posted:The west coast may be "liberal," but the idea that this somehow precludes being racist as gently caress is hilarious (even if it's more of a passive form of "less them have cake" racism than outside throwing out racial slurs). Case in point: GrandpaPants posted:He's also a massive racist, which goes hand-in-hand with the tech industry as a whole. iajanus posted:Thanks for the clarification, but I still don't care
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TheFluff posted:the duality of tech: bad for kids, good for spying on your underpaid employees You know, the worst thing in this article is not the strict no-screens contracts that nannies have to sign that preclude them from using their phones on shift for anything except contacting parents (which the parents themselves don’t follow because they’re hypocrites) It’s the loving poo poo-rear end narc fuckers posting pictures of anyone who looks like a nanny using their phone within 5 feet of a child anonymously to message boards to rat people out, just to be dicks
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