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Cicero posted:The point isn't that tech companies are bastions of non-racism, but that they're aren't more racist than average for corporations. OOCC is right that a lot of people in this thread like to blindly circlejerk about how everything tech is bad in every conceivable way, then when someone points out that's nonsense they screech like vampires exposed to sunlight, because they're just pulling poo poo out of nowhere and they know it. To be fair, tech industry is known for a lot of dumb stuff, a lot of which is high impact and receives a lot of publicity, especially from certain media outlets. So it’s not surprising that your average low-information goon gets the wrong impression of the industry as a whole. And it gets exacerbated by circle jerk environments like this thread, which signal-boost the bad and ignores the good. At the bottom of it though, I have come to believe that the negative sentiments are rooted in simple envy. Techies (especially in software) make a lot of money, have relatively cushy jobs and are treated well compared to the rest of the labor force. So it’s easy to hate them and use every opportunity to poo poo on them, no matter how nonsensical, even when facts disagree with the narrative.
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"you're just jealous of the rich," very compelling
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You should try reading the rest of my post.
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it was equally stupid and condescending
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I’m sorry you feel that way.
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enraged_camel posted:I’m sorry you feel that way. I somehow doubt this, as you've already shielded yourself in FYGM. After all he's just jealous of your position and success. Really was the perfect summation of tech people that insist they are totally not libertarians or conservatives at heart.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Really was the perfect summation of tech people that insist they are totally not libertarians or conservatives at heart. Yes... you are almost there...
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if you put as much effort into understanding people as you do into your posting you'd still be as ignorant as you are now
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Here's a story about tech startups. I used to work at this poo poo show called HealthTap, WebMD meets Facebook sorta deal. It seemed cool at first because there were literally people whose lives they saved by helping detect some urgent medical problems. That's neat. But everything else about this place was godawful. Here's the most bizarre hosed up thing I ever experienced in startup world. We had a team lead named Bob. Bob led the team in India. So he kept poo poo hours and, given how 80 hour in-office work weeks were mandatory, this was starting to take effect on his health. He's tried to quit 6 times, but his manager Tiger (real name) convinced him to stay somehow, "Bob, we're saving lives!", "Bob, next release is around the corner!", "We need you Bob - you can't leave!" Too true, Tiger, too true. There came a time when Bob found a new romantic partner who took stock of Bob's work life and rightly proclaimed "What the gently caress?" and got him to quit over the weekend via an email to whole management team. Unfortunately Bob made a fatal mistake. He came in to return his laptop in person. Bad move, Bob. Can you guess what happened next? So these fuckers, Tiger, Pastry and Sauron (the latter being nicknames for other higher ups) locked poor Bob into a room while in-house company lawyer escorts his SO out. Somehow all of this is done quietly enough that the rest of us don't notice. Then Sauron and team attempt to browbeat our poor Bob into staying. Later accounts indicate phrases like "We''ll chain you to this table if we have to" being thrown around, half-jokingly. Bob's gf wants none of this poo poo and calls the cops. Bob is rescued. I decide to look for another job. All of this, btw, happened on 101 University Ave in Palo Alto, pretty much across from Stanford campus, one of the poshest areas of the Bay. Yup. If there is interest, I have more stories of Sauron et al.
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just post dude. also how did they get their nicknames
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pokie posted:Here's a story about tech startups.  I think this merits an A/T thread.
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I will think about A/t thread. Also going for a hike now, will post more in a few hours later today.
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I worked at this one tech company right out of college. The founder/CEO was this insane lady who was convinced that employees would always steal from her given the chance. Most things were bolted to the floor and all cabinets/cupboards/etc were locked at all times and you had to fill out a form to request access. They tracked how much coffee you drank and you received a warning if you drank too much (for “health reasons”). There were a few positives. She was adamant about no one working more than 40 hours a week ever, for any reason. Of course this was because she didn’t want to pay people overtime, but still. Anyway, the way she enforced this? Well, she would be given printouts of timesheets every Friday evening and she would go over them during weekends and circle the names of employees who worked, say, 40.25 hours that week. Those people then received warnings. A few were even fired because of it. That’s my crazy tech story!
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enraged_camel posted:I’m sorry you feel that way. ah, the good ol’ non apology apology
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Cicero posted:The point isn't that tech companies are bastions of non-racism, but that they're aren't more racist than average for corporations. “We cant be racist, it’s just an algorithm” If you do nothing to counteract the inherent racist inputs you’re receiving by virtue of being in an inherently racist state like America, then all you’re doing is continuing to prop up those racist structures. Crying that you’re not a racist as you reinforce the feedback loop of racism is the most FYGM head in the sand possible response to this. edit: “Jack’s not a Nazi [he just runs a company that turns a willful blind eye towards the amplification of right wing threats of violence and targeted harassment of minorities]” https://twitter.com/AndrewGillum/status/1055265872930095104 Trevor Hale fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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PenguinKnight posted:ah, the good ol’ non apology apology I mean that dude worships Elon Musk, after all.
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Trevor Hale posted:“We cant be racist, it’s just an algorithm” Would you claim that anything that doesn't result in equality of outcome across all races is racist? I'm kinda getting that vibe.
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baquerd posted:Would you claim that anything that doesn't result in equality of outcome across all races is racist? I'm kinda getting that vibe. nice av
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baquerd posted:Would you claim that anything that doesn't result in equality of outcome across all races is racist? I'm kinda getting that vibe. 
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I think there’s different definitions of racism in play here.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Different cultural and educational attainment differences across races can lead to disparities in outcome that can only be remedied at the source by providing equality of opportunity, or by lowering standards for certain races (such as disadvantaging asians because they outperform whites). See Harvard's admission standards: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action.html (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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baquerd posted:No, though you are part of a heavily persecuted minority, you don't seem to truly understand tolerance. It's not supposed to be easy or make sense, but we need to accept people's beliefs just as importantly, and in the same way that you want people to accept your preferred gender. This does mean that you will need to accept people who hate you intrinsically, though you've done nothing wrong. the diversity understander has logged on
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Stexils posted:the diversity understander has logged on I'm glad you agree with me and appreciate my AV, but please do try to add to the discussion if you want to contribute.
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baquerd posted:Would you claim that anything that doesn't result in equality of outcome across all races is racist? I'm kinda getting that vibe. Why set the bar that high? I’d settle for “when presented with the reality that your product caused the genocide of the Rohingya/is contributing to the global rise in fascist terrorism/consumes as much annual energy as Denmark, your response is not to shrug your shoulders”
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enraged_camel posted:At the bottom of it though, I have come to believe that the negative sentiments are rooted in simple envy. Techies (especially in software) make a lot of money, have relatively cushy jobs and are treated well compared to the rest of the labor force. So it’s easy to hate them and use every opportunity to poo poo on them, no matter how nonsensical, even when facts disagree with the narrative. 
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imagine being such a sad sack tech fetishist that you don't just defend tech, you defend people who work in tech from vague attacks lmao what a weenie
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im actually a very happy person
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enraged_camel posted:im actually a very happy person Should change your name to happy_camel, though. Or, rather, HappyCamel, it's incongruous that it's not in camel case.
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enraged_camel posted:im actually a very happy person Of course you are. Because the bad things are happening to other people.
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luxury handset posted:imagine being such a sad sack tech fetishist that you don't just defend tech, you defend people who work in tech from vague attacks lmao Maybe the whole anti intellectualism thing is creepy and the rising number of weird fake science and technology is bad movements are scary and watching people in real time declaring they don't need facts or data to know that some vague other MUST be the other political party when everything real says they aren't is creepy as heck. Vaccine isn't bad, the world isn't flat, photoshops of people as lizard men is still racist even if it's a technology man, and technology employees and CEOs can have the same political views as you even if you hate them a lot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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mark zuckerberg, elon musk and jeff bezos absolutely do not have the same political views as me
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Maybe the whole anti intellectualism thing is creepy and the rising number of weird fake science and technology is bad movements are scary and watching people in real time declaring they don't need facts or data to know that some vague other MUST be the other political party when everything real says they aren't is creepy as heck. Mark Zuckerberg does not have the same political views as me and his crimes have been rewarded with wealth and power beyong that of 99.999% of all humanity ever and Congress sucks his dick when he talks about how he undermined democracy and stole private information so gently caress you
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Wishing Twitter would ban Nazis and not promote hashtags leading to fake news = fake news anti-intellectualism
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Stexils posted:mark zuckerberg, elon musk and jeff bezos absolutely do not have the same political views as me Weird how you get to dodge in and out on if you mean that list of specifically three people or not as convenient.
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Trevor Hale posted:Wishing Twitter would ban Nazis and not promote hashtags leading to fake news = fake news anti-intellectualism In OOCC's weird brain, not being a giant fan about each and every single new technological thing means you hate progress and are a Luddite anti-intellectual.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Weird how you get to dodge in and out on if you mean that list of specifically three people or not as convenient. i'm not dodging anything you idiot, those are just the three biggest examples. there's not a single tech CEO of any company who shares my political views because among other things i think unions are good and rich people should be heavily taxed.
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Sure you disagree politically with Musk, Thiel, Bezos, Ellison, Zuck, Hastings, and Lucky but have you considered all the other tech CEOs that must certainly agree with you?? Sure, they’re all avowed capitalists, but you can’t actually believe in socialism, right?
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Trevor Hale posted:Of course you are. Because the bad things are happening to other people. extremely incorrect
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