NYTimes: The Quiet Magic of Middle Managers

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forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

it's been a seriously bullshit joke for as long as i've been alive

i saw a study over a decade ago about how more british people see dentists on the reg than americans and have fewer cavities and by every metric have much healthier teeth (thanks to the for-profit thunderdome our dentists practice under)

It's always seemed kinda classist, like well off Americans seem to end up with lots of cosmetic stuff (braces seem way more common in the US, and your well off have dazzling white teeth)

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R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

in the us teeth are probably the best class signifier

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1057956999550373888

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Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

forkboy84 posted:

It's always seemed kinda classist, like well off Americans seem to end up with lots of cosmetic stuff (braces seem way more common in the US, and your well off have dazzling white teeth)

Along these lines, I don't know the truth of it, but I also think that Americans have their teeth whitened a lot more than the British.

Then again, lots of people still thing "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is accurate for the French, and France had one of the world's strongest armed forces

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

R. Guyovich posted:

in the us teeth are probably the best class signifier

they make that joke in the 30 rock pilot episode - tracy morgan tells tina fey he can tell that she's not rich because of her teeth

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Death Panel Czar: Apr 1, 2012; Too dangerous for a full sensory injection... That level of shitposting means they're almost non-human!

Nebakenezzer posted:

Then again, lots of people still thing "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is accurate for the French, and France had one of the world's strongest armed forces

Operative word �had�.

But for real, that stereotype is specifically tied to the right-wing narrative that everyone opposed to the US slaughtering middle easterners is morally inferior by virtue of cowardice, in an attempt to preemptively discredit opposition to the eternal war. British people having bad teeth is just a joke. The french being effete weaklings has been a political talking point for decades.

# ? Nov 1, 2018 18:57

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Nebakenezzer posted:

Then again, lots of people still thing "cheese eating surrender monkeys" is accurate for the French, and France had one of the world's strongest armed forces

this is one of those terms that the simpsons invented

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Nebakenezzer: Sep 13, 2005; The Mote in God's Eye

Death Panel Czar posted:

Operative word �had�.

The French military seem to be holding up at a time when most other nations are in a steep decline

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Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

that's because they cut size and not corners, because they know exactly what they want to use the military for: bullying francophone african countries

a small, well equipped, relatively elite army is more than enough to bulldoze random governments that decide they'd rather not keep their entire currency reserve in french banks where the french can gouge them on interest for eternity

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Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

i hate france so loving much, the ss didn't burn enough of them alive in churches

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GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

the biggest :chloe:

of all time

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1057857955880751106

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Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1057857955880751106

lmao

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BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

abe foxman sucks so much

# ? Nov 1, 2018 21:27

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

foxman sat there kicking muslims while far-right anti-semitism was metastasizing. greenblatt is better from what i've seen. it's still the ADL though.

# ? Nov 1, 2018 21:29

Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1057857955880751106

the great thing about this thread is i can post a whopper and like 2 posts later this happens

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Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

he's not wrong the roberts court already did exactly that with the 15th

here's the text of the 15th, it's not long

roberts just looked at that second part and went NAH

Matt on Chapo pointed out that Roberts cited the concept of "equal sovereignty" in his ruling which sounds like some sort of ancient precedent, except he literally invented it for that ruling specifically. It was like O'Conner citing the concept of "Bush wins so I can help my pants making GBS threads husband" for her vote on Bush v Gore

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

https://twitter.com/charles_kinbote/status/1058098235330519040

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/darth/status/1058096157610496000

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

https://twitter.com/CillizzaCNN/status/911224143022092289

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1058029663115722758

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

(lol) dramatization of the new york times and newsweek selectively whitewashing an atrocity story of the east timor genocide in the 70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8mP2jN6bJI&t=670s

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

x-posting from the capitalism thread about old contemporaneous new york time articles talking about the freedom and democracy being brought from the time a rightwing military dictatorship couped the leftist government in brazil in extremely biased fashion

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/01/archives/military-region-in-brazil-rebels-against-goulart-general-proclaims.html

quote:

He said the troops' objective was to guarantee liberty.

General Mour�o issued a proclamation to the country on the Juiz de Fora Radio.

He said, �For more than two years, the enemies of order and democracy, shielded by the impunity given by the President, have been acting without respect for the institutions, scorning the armed forces and weak‐ ening the respect due to the public authorities in any civilized nation.�

He continued: �Spurious organizations of political unions maneuvered by Brazil's enemies, confessed Communists, have be‐ come more audacious under the President's stimulation and seek to make the world believe they speak in the name of the Brazilian workman when they speak in the name of a foreign state whose imperialist interests they serve as subversive criminals to betray the Brazilian nation.�

General Mour�o continued, �The present Government, whose intentions deny Brazil's sovereignty, has been serving those labor organizations, giving them official and semiofficial support, even giving them the power to hire and fire ministers, generals and high officials, seeking this way to undermine true democratic institutions and establishing totalitarianism, which is opposed to the republican and judicial order and even social progress.

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/03/archives/in-the-nation-while-the-dust-is-settling-in-brazil.html
the new york time is fond of describing right wing coups as "stabilizing" in much the same way US intervention in the middle east is "stabilizing"

quote:

The news from Brazil of President Goulart's overthrow and flight has been received in Washington with quiet satisfaction. If the stabilizing effects of these events on orderly government are to be preserved and strengthened, the accent here should continue to be on the adjective �quiet� For gloating by Washington over the collapse of Goulart's effort to establish a neo‐Communist regime in Brazil�and prolong it by removing the constitutional ban against consecutive Presidential succession�would stimulate the natural impulse of Latin‐American peoples to resent any implication of yielding to United States pressures. And the anti‐Communist liberals of Brazil would be alienated by an official Washington interpretation that the �right� dispossessed the �left� in the almost bloodless revolution.

quote:

Goulart's overthrow affords another opportunity for the economic and social stabilization of Brazil. The attitude of the Johnson Administration appears to be the wise one of letting the dust of the peaceful, constitutional revolution settle, and leaving to the new regime the initiative for resuming the cooperation offered by the United States, on the sound conditions which Goulart accepted and then disregarded. The seemingly democratic character of the caretaker government which the revolutionists have instaled, and the prospect that its successor will be of like character, have led Washington to the hopeful assumption that this initiative will be forthcoming on acceptable terms. If this shall be confirmed by developments, the gathering menace to the freedom and security of the hemisphere, in its largest territorial nation, will have been dispelled.

quote:

The fear that it won't be arises from indications that a nationalist‐[high] officer combination will try to push Goulart into an assumption of absolute power during 1964 that this combination will exercise. Thus far, however, he does not have the Army support [which is] indispensable, and the Army as a whole remains the great protector of legality and democracy in Brazil.

Events have shown the accuracy of this estimate. The Army was the principal agent in the protection of legality and democracy that was implicit in the overthrow of Goulart. But the Navy rose up against the President's release of 1,425 sailors who had been arrested for a mutiny in which Communist and neo‐Communist doctrines were asserted. And, though a handful of Admirals and Generals were pro‐Goulart, the officer echelons below sustained their repute as devoted guardians of legal and democratic processes.

Thereby constitutional government was preserved in Brazil because the national charter prescribes that Congress takes over when a President vacates his post. Thus the United States is relieved of the problem of recognition that is created when a constitutional government is overthrown by an unconstitutional one, especially in an allied nation.

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/04/05/archives/brazil-coup-affects-whole-continent-overthrow-of-goulart-is.html
the new york time likes to also describe a rightwing miltiary coup on the eve of military dictatorship as bolstering moderates in article title

quote:

BRAZIL COUP AFFECTS WHOLE CONTINENT; Overthrow of Goulart Is Expected to Bolster the Moderates and Set Back the Communists

quote:

If a single motivation could be detected in the coup, which was engineered jointly by group of civilian state governors‐all nors�all of them, incidentally, elected officials in their own right�and of military commanders, it was their concern to maintain the democratic framework in Brazil.

quote:

The total image of the Brazilian revolution, as it began to emerge late this week from the initial confusion, seemed then to add up to a national desire for moderate and democratic solutions to Brazil's awesome social and economic problems, most of which were acutely aggravated by Mr. Goulart's politicking and mismanagement for the last two and a half years.

In this sense, the Brazilian coup could be regarded as both a powerful shot in the arm for the cause of democratic moderation in Latin America and as a bitter defeat for the Communist movements, notably Premier Fidel Castro in Cuba.

note how the new york times describes a contemporaneous democratic election in chile as problematic:

quote:

Among those, perhaps the most important is Chile where a crucial Presidential election is to be held next September. Following a key Congr essional by‐election in Curico Province last month, the chances of victory of Senator Salvador Allende, candidate of the SocialistCommunist Popular Action Front, had soared to the point of making Chile into one of Washington's gravest concerns.

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/05/03/archives/reform-in-brazil-off-to-a-slow-start-despite-ease-of-goularts.html
the new york times headlines a coup and rightwing military dictatorship as reform and revolution

quote:

REFORM IN BRAZIL OFF TO A SLOW START; Despite Ease of Goulart's Ouster the Revolution Is Hesitant and Uncertain of Its Goals

quote:

The broadly based military and civil movement that rose against Mr. Goulart a month ago was fully agreed only on the main objective, which was to end the �intolerable situation� posed by Mr. Goulart's Administration. This proved surprisingly easy. Mr. Goulart's political �apparatus� of left‐wing nationalist army officers and sergeants, Communist ‐ infiltrated unions and radical students collapsed almost without the firing of a shot.

quote:

So far these indications of extreme rightist tendencies are isolated, but they are a source of concern to supporters of the regime who believe in its democratic reform potential.

quote:

There is freedom of the press under the new regime, and several newspapers, led by the independent Correio da Manha, have called for rectification of �excesses� committed in the first days of the revolution. Among these they include the suspension of political rights for 10 years of Celso Furtado, an economist. who headed Brazil's northeast economic development agency in a major cooperation effort with the United States under the Alliance for Progress.

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

excellent work by this nyt reporter covering the walkout at google hq

https://twitter.com/DaveLeeBBC/status/1058078031535734784

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Grand Prize Winner: Feb 19, 2007

Forums Terrorist posted:

i hate france so loving much, the ss didn't burn enough of them alive in churches

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i like their hats

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/michaelkruse/status/1058299558965493760

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ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

Lmao at anyone who doesn't own NYT voting shares being worried about the NYT

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/SusieCoen/status/1058295416347860993

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Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

The NYT is so gross and consistently wrong

# ? Nov 2, 2018 11:46

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/michaelkruse/status/1058299558965493760

Counterpoint: your daily is a shell of its former self.

It may not be as structurally evil as the Grey Lady (and it may, if it�s been bought out), but it�s no longer doing any muckraking, and it�s not going to start again just because you threw spare change at it.

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/Spinozasrose/status/1058410327631712257

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

the bbc is so completely hosed

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1058443138501615616

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1058442919370219523

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/_Saeen_/status/1058444848049672192

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Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

the tablet was the rag that ran interference for gorka last year when it came out he's a hungarian neo-nazi right

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Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

i asked about it when salazar was getting piled on because their activity started in november of last year or even more recent, and it turned out that they're barely a front for some :thunk:

tank or a pocket project of a right winger

i'll find it in a sec

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/_Saeen_/status/1058444848049672192

i enlisted to murder arabs, not mexicans!!!!!!!!

# ? Nov 2, 2018 21:36

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

I think its time to kill the BBC politics reporting. the national crime agency have opened a criminal investigation into Banks and the BBC have decided to let him do an interview on a major program

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1058426657877512192

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1058456252332818432

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Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

Phone posted:

i asked about it when salazar was getting piled on because their activity started in november of last year or even more recent, and it turned out that they're barely a front for some tank or a pocket project of a right winger

i'll find it in a sec

found it: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3863247&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=424#post487703923

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