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The true aspect of "Your Choices Don't matter" will be fighting with the aspects that want to tell you how the best way to play the game and even in what possible order to experience the game in, whether its a Flowie Genocide Runner or Ralsei crying about how many feelings you'll hurt if you don't spare everyone in a specific way.
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I think people are going too far with the Your Choices Don't Matter thing. A few characters say it, but I will note that Ralsei contradicts it.
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Nov 3, 2018 13:16
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Yup, Ralsei seems extremely possessive in a way that might bite the whole town in the rear end Kind of like that Twilight Zone kid just warping reality to fit his simplified view of the world
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I mean, the last thing Ralsei does is apologize for the naivete that directly lead to King getting back up again, then conclude that maybe sometimes the group will need to do a bit of fighting. So while Ralsei's contradicting of that theme is important, I think it serves as a kinder counterpart to Flowey's KILL OR BE KILLED: an incorrect (or at least, incorrect from a certain point of view) statement by a guide character. Either that, or the thematic goal of the game will be pushing past your teenage listlessness and realizing that, even if you don't have agency in every choice, those small choices you can make are all the more important.
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Nov 3, 2018 13:49
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It's okay everyone. The clickbait galaxy brains are on the case!
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MariusLecter posted:It's okay everyone. The clickbait galaxy brains are on the case! ...haha, uh, okay. Speculation is fun and all, but drat. There's a real goldrush for clickbait right now, huh?
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Dang, to think I could have monetised my silly babbling first
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Sans and Lancer are basically the same character. For instance they both: -are short -have teeth -uhhhh
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Nov 3, 2018 14:21
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Danaru posted:Sans and Lancer are basically the same character. For instance they both: presumably lancer has other bones too under his monster skin.
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Nov 3, 2018 14:25
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nine-gear crow posted:I was being partly facetious, there's quite a bit of good fan content out there. OBO is the only one I've seen that I consider really up to par with the original game and basically an ad-hoc extension of it. If I could find a way to make it into a romhack and slip it at the end of Undertale itself, I would, but I've no doubt both Toby and Oxx would kill me if I tried What is OBO?
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NewMars posted:What is OBO? One By One, an Undertale fanfic story made by some nerdy goon that is actually good
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Magitek posted:One By One, an Undertale fanfic story made by some nerdy goon that is actually good How to Save a Soul is pretty good too in my opinion (mostly because it actually portrays Frisk and Chara as fallible human beings rather than being explicitly good or evil). There's some decent stuff that's come out of the Undertale fandom but there's a lot of crap as well. Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Nov 3, 2018 |
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pumpinglemma posted:excuse me, all my lewd fanart is of fuzzy boys thank you very much I'm mad that he has literally five times as much porn as susie
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Question Friend posted:I'm mad that he has literally five times as much porn as susie What was everyone saying about the fanbase again?
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So I just finished Jevil and got the egg, are there any other secrets this game has or am I also stuck in speculation hell for a while?
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Moriatti posted:So I just finished Jevil and got the egg, are there any other secrets this game has or am I also stuck in speculation hell for a while? we're all pretty much in speculation hell forever now
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Yeah, I believe the blog post implied that the remaining chapters were going to get released all at once so we could be waiting a while. 2020 at the earliest is still my best guess, maybe sooner depending on how things go regarding getting a good team together to work on it.
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nine-gear crow posted:Toby's official word is that the two are utterly unrelated, and yet... Deltarune checks your Undertale install directory to see if you have a genocide flag on your save file for that game, for what reason we don't know yet
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I have no doubt Toby will be able to put together a good team. His reputation is sterling and there are tons of talented people who'd absolutely love to work with him. He's probably made something in the low 8-digit range from Undertale sales so assuming he's been somewhat responsible with his money and is willing to reinvest it in Deltarune, finances shouldn't be an issue.
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Fangz posted:I think people are going too far with the Your Choices Don't Matter thing. A few characters say it, but I will note that Ralsei contradicts it. The game itself contradicts this by giving you different endings in the dark world depending on how you treat people. In both endings the "main ending" (you going home) is the same, but you can either leave things peaceful and happy with the king safely in jail, or with the kingdom in chaos and the king likely to wake up at anytime and start kicking his son's rear end again. Those are pretty big differences that can be made via your choices. Whitenoise Poster posted:Here's a cool little video. Does anyone else find the phrase "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark" kind of creepy and ominous? Like, who's with me in the dark? Someone nice? Or someone who wants to hurt me?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Does anyone else find the phrase "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark" kind of creepy and ominous? Like, who's with me in the dark? Someone nice? Or someone who wants to hurt me?
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I wish my voice sounded like that
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Junpei Hyde posted:I wish my voice sounded like that Yeah, it's a good song. I'm hoping there's a longer version at the end of the full game. Also considering most of the Dark World stuff seemed to get resolved at the end of Chapter 1 I honestly have no idea where the plot is going to go from here but I look forward to finding out (hopefully Susie still remains a mainstay in the story going forward as she's arguably more of a main character than Kris is right now). Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Nov 3, 2018 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Does anyone else find the phrase "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark" kind of creepy and ominous? Like, who's with me in the dark? Someone nice? Or someone who wants to hurt me? The phrase by itself is a little ambiguous, but the credits song puts it in a context that's hard to read as negative, unless you're really willing to stretch your interpretation of the song's other lines. "There's a light inside your soul" (a light of evil!) "The promise in our hearts" (a promise of murder!) That having been said, the music does manage to use it in ways that come off as threatening once you know what those notes "mean." The Jevil theme, in particular, has a section that's just "I'm with you in the dark, I'm with you in the dark, I'm with you in the dark"
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:The game itself contradicts this by giving you different endings in the dark world depending on how you treat people. In both endings the "main ending" (you going home) is the same, but you can either leave things peaceful and happy with the king safely in jail, or with the kingdom in chaos and the king likely to wake up at anytime and start kicking his son's rear end again. Those are pretty big differences that can be made via your choices.
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Larryb posted:Yeah, it's a good song. I'm hoping there's a longer version at the end of the full game. Also considering most of the Dark World stuff seemed to get resolved at the end of Chapter 1 I honestly have no idea where the plot is going to go from here but I look forward to finding out (hopefully Susie still remains a mainstay in the story going forward as she's arguably more of a main character than Kris is right now). Is it resolved? The other kings are still imprisoned, we didn’t see what happened to the second fountain, a child that is mostly disliked is now on the throne, etc.
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Cuntellectual posted:I try to avoid Undertale's fandom for what should be self-evident reasons. Was it confirmed it's a sequel? The only thing we know about Deltarune is that it rearranges all of Undertale's characters, but means something very different.
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ijyt posted:Is it resolved? True, also despite what the prophecy said Ralsei wasn't with Kris and Susie when they reached the fountain (though then again it also said the event would happen at the end of the world so it's possible that particular plot point simply hasn't come to pass just yet).
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Danaru posted:What exactly is wrong with Undertale's fanbase? Aside from reading way too far into things sometimes they seem like fairly pleasant people as far as fanbases go. Certainly one of the more creative considering how many remixes and fanart exist "Is it just me or does DeltaRune seem really mocking/accusatory of Undertale AU creators? Don’t get me wrong. I’m in favor of this. But that’s def the vibe I’m getting from it…" Also, stupid teenager poo poo and really creepy sexualization.
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Larryb posted:Yeah, it's a good song. I'm hoping there's a longer version at the end of the full game. Also considering most of the Dark World stuff seemed to get resolved at the end of Chapter 1 I honestly have no idea where the plot is going to go from here but I look forward to finding out (hopefully Susie still remains a mainstay in the story going forward as she's arguably more of a main character than Kris is right now). You also forgot the knight who spoke to the Jevil and struggled with the King, before opening the second fountain and changing the land. This knight is surely the cause of this.
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Toalpaz posted:You also forgot the knight who spoke to the Jevil and struggled with the King, before opening the second fountain and changing the land. This knight is surely the cause of this. Ah right, forgot about that part. I'm also curious if the majority of the plot will revolve around the Dark World or if we'll get some stuff to do in Kris' world eventually as well.
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No, you see Deltarune is everything and nothing at the same time. It like totally deconstructs itself while simultaneously being derivative and uninspired! It is both a masterpiece and trash. Toby Fox is a genius hack and needs to die so that we may preserve his pristine garbage work forever in a perfect martyrdom of shame and derision. Furthermore... 
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Fangz posted:I think the Jevil fight is the one exception though. Otherwise the melody is only in very supportive and motivational places. No, there's the 'I'm with you in the dark' sound bite, that gets repeated like 5-8 times after the main chorus. (I don't know musical lingo, but it's there) I wish I could enjoy the game respectfully but my desire to meme is so strong, with the Jevil's out of place and amazing lines. Metamophasis!
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Pollyanna posted:"Is it just me or does DeltaRune seem really mocking/accusatory of Undertale AU creators? Don’t get me wrong. I’m in favor of this. But that’s def the vibe I’m getting from it…" quote:But this hackneyed half-assed bullshit that Fox is passing off as a “good game” can gently caress itself back to the bargain bin.  e; bargain bin? The game was flippin free. 
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Question Friend posted:Toby FOx has enough good will and love for the franchise built up that he could have so many talented people working for him for free that he just says what he wants and it's done in less than a day I'm just sitting here daydreaming about a Toby Fox/Concerned Ape joint project.
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Total conjecture on what will happen in chapter 2 of the main game, but fun to imagine: Kris and Susie return to the dark world, to find it exactly the same as they found it the first time. Lancer attacks them, Ralsei is waiting for them so they can fulful the prophecy and save the world, no one remembers them and generally none of what happened in chapter 1 has happened. In that way, your choices did not matter, no matter how it ended. Then Kris and Susie might end up taking different routes, and different approaches through the dark world to find out what's really going on. I don't know if it's anything close to what Toby has planned, but that could make for a pretty good story. And a good way to explore the themes of Undertale more.
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