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Cardiovorax posted:If you ever stumble over where is says that again, please link it here somewhere. I find it difficult to imagine a Great One just randomly keeling over and washing up on a shore somewhere, while I can definitely imagine the church finding the hamlet, using the phantasms to call on Kos and then killing and dissecting her for study. It's exactly what they do to people, too, after all. Kos washing up on shore is from a specific weapon description, and all signs point to the Healing Church being formed after the Hamlet, as the curse is supposed to be directed at Byrgenwerth according to a few places. It focuses on Gehrman because the Orphan was a scared child and Gehrman was slaughtering everyone to reach it.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Kos washing up on shore is from a specific weapon description, and all signs point to the Healing Church being formed after the Hamlet, as the curse is supposed to be directed at Byrgenwerth according to a few places. It was the Kos Parasite: "When the carcass of Kos washed up on the coast, its insides were teeming with tiny parasites, unlike any found in humans." We already know that Great Ones need to die to have children, so Kos being dead isn't a surprise. The real question is if the parasites are the children, or if the Orphan was.
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quote:We already know that Great Ones need to die to have children
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According to the umbilical cords, the theory goes that "every Great One loses its child, and then yearns for a surrogate". But for all we know, the Orphan could very well have been stillborn anyway. There's nothing out there to suggest that the Orphan was ever alive at all in the real world- the only thing we have that refers to it comes from the guy at the start of the Hamlet mumbling about 'the poor wizened child'. The little shimmering black ghostie that appears after you defeat the Orphan could be the only remnants of the real thing, with the gross creature that fights us being just a metaphorical Nightmare-created representation of it. Hence why it cries like Gehrman, looks like an old man, fights like a Hunter, etc. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Nov 6, 2018 |
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Nov 6, 2018 18:19
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Well, Oedon impregnates at least one woman and it seemingly doesn't kill him, so I figured that didn't quite right.
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Even stillborn the Orphan witnessed the massacre and answered the villagers cries for a curse. Also yeah the actual boss is the kind of the Orphan creating an approximation of a Hunter. Hence it has explosive tools and a “trick” weapon, it jumps around and fights like a wild beast half the time. Notably the halfway point is when it becomes less like a Hunter and more like a Great One, it even changes resistances slightly too.
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thetruegentleman posted:It was the Kos Parasite: "When the carcass of Kos washed up on the coast, its insides were teeming with tiny parasites, unlike any found in humans." In my interpretation, Kos having already been dead when the Byrgenwerth scholars arrived is a pretty significant part of the story. After all, it seems that Byrgenwerth was studying the Great Ones in hopes of finding a way to transcend humanity, to essentially become as Gods - and then they find one of their Gods washed up on some beach like a rotting fish. Even the Great Ones, the highest form of existence, turned out to be just mortal flesh. I tend to believe this realization had quite an influence on the further schisms and quasi-religious quarrels among the scholars, and it might be part of the reason why the afterimage of the Fishing Hamlet is tucked away in the deepest corner of the Nightmare where even the people who know about it don't have to see it.
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Your last video wonderfully encapsulated to me what's so stirring about Bloodborne's story. By the time you reach the end of the game the prevailing atmosphere isn't horror or anger or madness but regret, and to me that actually separates that from a lot of the source material. Lovecraftian characters are pitiful victims of forces they can't resist or understand whose drive by the end is reduced to sheer survival. But the narrative in Bloodborne is "We did this to ourselves." Everything that happened, from the Fishing Hamlet to the Beast Plague, is the result of people making choices and being forced to live with them, and because their only gods are just as fallible and fleshy as they, there's no grace and forgiveness, no redos. Yarnham's mistakes are irredeemable. The hell of the nightmare for characters like Laurence, Ludwig and Maria isn't physical torment but the reality of living in the falllout of their actions (or the actions of their predecessors, in Maria's case). Ludwig is a hideous freak living alone in a basement full of corpses, Laurence lies inert and burning on the alter of the church he built, and Maria watches over a research hall full of deformed, murderous lunatics and routinely kills her colleagues who get funny ideas about digging up the past. And then Gherman, who has more regret than anyone else, is trapped in the Hunter's Dream, unable to escape or correct the errors that led him there, and relives the regret of the Fishing Hamlet whenever he closes his eyes. Nobody is happy, and not because they're the playthings of eldritch beings. It's because of conscious choices that they made and cannot escape.
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Nov 9, 2018 14:18
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The only merciful thing you've done all game is to spare Ebrietas and kill the Orphan.
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quote:Lovecraftian characters are pitiful victims of forces they can't resist or understand whose drive by the end is reduced to sheer survival. But the narrative in Bloodborne is "We did this to ourselves." quote:The hell of the nightmare for characters like Laurence, Ludwig and Maria isn't physical torment but the reality of living in the falllout of their actions
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What do you know, even after all this time people are still finding entire cut bosses in the game files. And this one isn't even a spoiler at this point in the LP. (CJacobs, if you'd still rather have talk about cut content in general postponed until the LP is done, please tell me, then I'll remove the link. In any case, people should be aware that the other videos of that channel are probably spoilerific)
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Some future content discussed on Lance McDonald's channel will be spoilers for what little of Bloodborne we have left, so I'd say peruse at your own risk if you're avoiding them. But I do recommend clicking on that one to see OMEGA SNAKE VOLTRON in action as an example of what's buried in the alpha build of the game!
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Nov 9, 2018 15:14
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Are you taking a break after this, or are you going to MAKE US WHOLE right away?
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Nov 10, 2018 03:26
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For Dead Space I'm going to wait a fair bit probably, just to make sure I have a good backlog in case commentary ends up being hard to wrangle for a while. Alan Wake's American Nightmare will be starting as soon as I am able though, once The Surge and Bloodborne are finished.
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Nov 10, 2018 05:28
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That's fair. As someone who's never had the patience to play Dark Souls-like games I've enjoyed the poo poo out of your LPs of Bloodborne and The Surge. Keep on bringing us that PREMIUM CONTENT.
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Nov 10, 2018 13:31
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Dead Space 2020!!!
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CJacobs posted:Alan Wake's American Nightmare will be starting as soon as I am able though, once The Surge and Bloodborne are finished.  Can't you do something fun instead? Your old playthrough of Alan Wake is probably your only LP that I could never finish watching. It's not even your fault, the game was just so incredibly boring to watch even with a running commentary. I've had fun watching you play far worse games just because you were clearly having a blast with it, but for all its production values, I can't recall more than five minutes worth of that one for the life of me.
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whaaaa what about the heavy metal lightshow? that's just about the only thing i remember from A Wake, but i do remember the gameplay being a tonne of fun
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The gameplay of Alan Wake is great, but the changes in environment and encounter design are very subtle. The Old Gods stage is a high point for sure, but there's a lot of filler inbetween. A lot of spooky industrial yards and dark forests.
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Alan Wake's American Nightmare is much more action packed! They actually heard out the complaint that the gameplay drags and it's been very streamlined.
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Blood Sally posted:whaaaa what about the heavy metal lightshow? that's just about the only thing i remember from A Wake, but i do remember the gameplay being a tonne of fun
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There're a lot more weapon and enemy types in American Nightmare that actually shake things up.
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I've been following Poets of the Fall since they had a song in Max Payne 2, so hearing them come up in Alan Wake was great fun for me.
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 A dream is not reality, but who's to say which is which? * Make sure you watch this episode (and all my future LP videos) with YouTube's 4K setting to take advantage of the higher bitrate they offer at that quality! Even if you only watch on a 1080p screen or smaller, you will still see the videos in staggeringly higher quality than the 1080p setting! Look here for my explanation of what I've done to achieve this and how it works!
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I was wondering what the solution was going to be for the spider part of Bloodborne, as short as it is  What an odd boss fight Micolash is. Running away is certainly something one uses sprint for a lot but I can't recall a single time in the Souls series where to you were explicitly chasing something with it, except for the crystal lizards and equivalents.
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My understanding was that it only happened recently as before Rom died the Mensis scholars were unable to pierce into the world of nightmares.
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At the same time, Micolash and his buddies in Yahargul have turned into skeletons, so his particular transference must have happened some time ago. Maybe they did the first part of the Mensis ritual before Rom was turned into a Great One bulwark. Maybe that's why Micolash keeps trying to contact Ebrietas (whose name was Kos in an earlier version of the game). He is using her power to fight you, since he doesn't seem to have any of his own, but the connection appears to be severed. For such an important mover and shaker in Yharnam he doesn't seem very informed of the goings on.
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Hard to stay informed when you took a nap so deep you died.
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bony tony posted:At the same time, Micolash and his buddies in Yahargul have turned into skeletons, so his particular transference must have happened some time ago. Maybe they did the first part of the Mensis ritual before Rom was turned into a Great One bulwark. On the other hand you see flash-mummified corpses all throughout Yahar'gul, often fused into the very walls as they desperately fled from whatever unspeakable force was unleashed.
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Kibayasu posted:I was wondering what the solution was going to be for the spider part of Bloodborne, as short as it is LP commentary isn't quite the same as Micolash talking though. Maybe if there was an "ah, dong, or as some say, dragon dildo" or so in there.
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Yeah the implication to me is that the Mensis Scholars were mindwalking for a while. Whilst the rest of Yahar’gul got taken over by the Pthumerians, and then it all goes to poo poo when you kill Rom and the Ritual finishes, petrifying nearly everyone.
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And as I mentioned, the Nightmare of Mensis is plainly visible from the Nightmare Frontier, which we visited before confronting Rom in this very let's play! It's possible that the Mensis college was vanished from the waking world long ago, with the Lecture Building serving as a transport, and its appearance in the Nightmare is totally independent of the ritual. The ritual itself already happened and resulted in the "stillbirth of [the scholars'] brains" by the time we are able to gain access, but now that the timeline has been twisted into knots by the cthulu invasion it's hard to know when the "already happened" actually refers to. I personally think it happened during the events of the game, and when we reach the Nightmare time has 'passed' such as it does thus that Micolash is the only living soul left. Everyone else is dead, insane, or a spider. edit: And that isn't a joke either, the spiders really are the remnants of the Mensis scholars, meaning Patches evidently was one! We'll get very unfortunate further evidence of this in the next episode. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Nov 23, 2018 |
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I literally just put the words Kosm and Cosmos together. gently caress.
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I have to know CJacobs: did you not notice the eye spiders, or do they not bother you because they don't move?
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Oh I noticed them alright. There's a reason I sit cross-legged without my feet touching the floor when I play through this part! edit: I'm goddamn glad they don't move though. See the SOMA stream for an example of how I react when things like that actually scuttle.
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Holy poo poo I actually really like spiders and even THAT was like "are you kidding me, game!?"
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In your eagerness to get away from the spiders you completely ran away from Edgar, Choir Intelligencer (the NPC hunter). He's proof that the Choir is aware of what the school of Mensis is doing, since he's there to keep an eye on things. He's not a very good spy, however, since he sticks out like a sore thumb and just kind of stands there like a lemon. Here's a good and fun PvP trolling video starring everyone's favorite pencilneck: HERE Philippe fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Nov 25, 2018 |
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CJacobs posted:* Make sure you watch this episode (and all my future LP videos) with YouTube's 4K setting to take advantage of the higher bitrate they offer at that quality! Even if you only watch on a 1080p screen or smaller, you will still see the videos in staggeringly higher quality than the 1080p setting! Look here for my explanation of what I've done to achieve this and how it works! I'd love to take advantage of that, but the 4K video is like 3.8 GB compared to the 1080p video's ~0.9 GB, and my typically Australian Internet access (slow, limited and expensive) just isn't up to it.
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bony tony posted:In your eagerness to get away from the spiders you completely ran away from Edgar, Choir Intelligencer (the NPC hunter). He's proof that the Choir is aware of what the school of Mensis is doing, since he's there to keep an eye on things. He's not a very good spy, however, since he sticks out like a sore thumb and just kind of stands there like a lemon. Edgar could be a member of the School of Mensis who gathered intelligence on the actions of the Choir, but then he’s still bad at his job because he’s in the Nightmare instead of Upper Cathedral Ward.
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Antistar01 posted:I'd love to take advantage of that, but the 4K video is like 3.8 GB compared to the 1080p video's ~0.9 GB, and my typically Australian Internet access (slow, limited and expensive) just isn't up to it. Yeah, that's the one stopgap I can't get around unfortunately. Some people just don't have fast enough internet or good enough computers, which is a bummer, but 1080p doesn't really look any different than usual with the new method so it's not a big deal. Another fun statistic: When I render the videos in the first place, a 1080p video is about 2GB. A 4k video on the other hand is 9 GB 
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