Megillah Gorilla posted:

Which season was that? I stopped watching after the show turned to poo poo.

As far as I'm concerned, all Simpsons episodes made after mid 1990 are non canonical.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I can't think of any scene which might suggest Homer was bi.


EDIT: Okay, when Homer was the union rep and he thought Mr Burns was coming on to him and said, "Sure, I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no!"

Megillah Gorilla posted:

I can't think of any scene which might suggest Homer was bi.


EDIT: Okay, when Homer was the union rep and he thought Mr Burns was coming on to him and said, "Sure, I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no!"

Leavemywife posted:

I'm not sure where else to ask this, but NYPD Blue; why did Family Guy do a joke about Dennis Franz showing someone his rear end? Did that happen on that show? Was showing your rear end an integral part of the NYPD Blue canon?

And how did that show age? There's something about a 90s cop show that seems like it's going to be a little rough around the edges.

purple death ray posted:

I think you guys are looking at lazy 90s gay panic jokes through 2018 eyes and retroactively deciding they were serious, tbh.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Butt cheeks on TV was such a big deal in the 90’s. People lost their loving minds over it.

Butt holes on TV will be such a big deal in the 20’s.

Leavemywife posted:

90s cop show that seems like it's going to be a little rough around the edges.

purple death ray posted:

I think you guys are looking at lazy 90s gay panic jokes through 2018 eyes and retroactively deciding they were serious, tbh.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Butt cheeks on TV was such a big deal in the 90’s. People lost their loving minds over it.

Butt holes on TV will be such a big deal in the 20’s.

Samuringa posted:

Can't wait for the Law & Order spin-off that deals with rear end eating crimes

Wheat Loaf posted:

That's just SVU, surely?

CannonFodder posted:

"It's called 'romaine-ing the taint'' and involves eating a bag of salad off of someone's rear end. It explains why the kids are getting ecoli infections at an alarming rate."

sweet geek swag posted:

Most of the early Smithers jokes weren't gay panic jokes though. Nobody ever flipped out over Smithers being gay. Some of the jokes were 'Smithers is gay,' but characters rarely reacted to that. Even when Smithers told Burns that he loved him Burns just says something like "Thank you for making my last moments on Earth socially awkward."

purple death ray posted:

I'm talking this JK Rowling revisionist rear end idea that Homer is a secret bisexual, not Smithers

triticum guzzler posted:

There's a lot of hosed up and weird people, on this comedy forum website, who do not ever post jokes, do not enjoy jokes or indeed even laughing, and have coined a derogatory term for people who make jokes. They're all missionaries drawn here by the allure of the fertile lands of videos of a severely asthmatic man playing Megaman games, and interesting philosophical quandries posted by the fake PTSD guy about the nature of doors and windows in Dungeons and Dragons. They are wise men here to educate a savage, uneducated, indigenous sort. It is a sonorous, musical form of education; a greasy collective amasses on the front line of the battle against social injustice, the video game subforum on a message board that has a drop down menu that makes light of the holocaust on every single page, and sings a shrill harmony that permeates the very aether, making my pets feel unsafe, when a video game muscle man calls Catwoman a bitch. They have picked their battles well, and I note from my foxhole that I am running out of ammunition, chiefly in the form of the increasingly finite number of ways I can frame this absurd situation with the English language. I clench my fists and yell "anime" towards an uncaring, absent God, and swear solemnly to press my thumbs into Chocolate America's eyeballs until he is blinded, to directly emasculate sporting figures, to beat the poo poo out of tumblr users with baseball bats, and to quietly appreciate what Waylon Smithers being gay means to me.

Adult Illiteracy posted:

big cummers ONLY posted:

TG is great if you are still a 20-year-old English major

muscles like this! posted:

If you want a bisexual TV cartoon dad there's always Bob Belcher. In the episode where the meat counter guy thinks Bob is hitting on him Bob's reply is "I'm straight! Well... mostly straight."

Aesop Poprock posted:

You know that thing where old, unattractive people just kind of hangout naked in locker rooms because no one wants to look at them nude willingly anymore?

I always feel like that's why Dennis Franz and Danny Devito like to get naked so much on film

Pick posted:

"Gay or not" is all plausible deniability optics poo poo. It's like goddamn U S Senator Lindsey Graham. Everyone knows he's gay and it's "fine" as long as he never says so.

And a lot of you guys seem weirdly... ehhh I won't even get started. It's like you don't seem to understand that even things creators say are part of the entertainment property overall. When they said Smithers was "Burnssexual" that was a way to jokingly get out of saying he's gay because that's a news story and it violates *points to sentence at top of post*. But Smithers is loving gay, obviously, whether or not someone on the writing staff says so outright, because he's completely and unambiguously coded that way, and if they didn't want him to be perceived as "gay" they wouldn't have had him engage in activities intended to communicate that he is gay. 99% of clickbait now is weak "news stories" made of the second keygrip saying "I think Danaerys is a lesbian?" while stoned on a couch. They have to be cognizant of that poo poo because you--you!--are part of the public, and the perception of a property affects the saleability of a property. And it never stops applying because the property never stops having that dimension.

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I think it also has to do with media coverage. The Simpsons writing team would probably prefer to avoid something cheesy similar to the type of USA Today stories you get when Captain America or Superman get killed off. If Smithers tells Burns, they have to come up with how Burns would react: how would he react? He'd probably fire him, since Burns' characterization has largely always been cruel old miser (also a straight up Republican, let's not pretend that particular hang up is dead) with a few moments of decency here and there. Sure, they could have Burns be accepting of Smithers, but it's easier to get laughs and structure an episode based on the fallout of what Smithers does next if Burns cans him or reacts poorly, even if you return to status quo. But there are three problems with that:

1) Sexuality has become even more deeply political then it was during the golden years of the show. Which means you'll have major coverage of what the gay community makes of the episode which Simpsons would probably prefer to avoid (especially since the episode where Patty almost marries an LPGA player before finding out they're a man got roasted, and I hope I got my pronouns right there. If that seems silly, the It's Always Sunny episode where Charlie came out through interpretive dance got a LOT of attention, and I think Simpsons staff wants to just keep chugging along at this point.

2) The whole "Smithers loses his job" thing was done during Who Shot Mr.Burns was done. It was quite good. No need to revisit it, especially if you're going to return to status quo or not surprise people with Burns' reaction.

3) The time where it would have been genuinely interesting as a storyline has come and gone, IMO.

sweet geek swag posted:

Smithers has told Burns, Burns has been aware for ages that Smithers has feelings for him. He just doesn't care.

El Gallinero Gros posted:

He's never said "I'm gay". He tried to tell him how he feels during the Do What You Feel Episode, but quickly backtracks when he realizes Burns isn't really paying attention and sorta half-assedly asks what it was he said.

Burns does not possess a lot of awareness. This is a guy who still calls people ragamuffin and had to be told Mordercai Brown, a 1900's era ballplayer, was dead....in 1995.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Butt cheeks on TV was such a big deal in the 90’s. People lost their loving minds over it.

Butt holes on TV will be such a big deal in the 20’s.

Gaunab posted:

I always liked when Dan beat up Jackie's abusive boyfriend.

The original Roseanne was so progressive that I couldn't believe Roseanne was a Trumper. John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf are treasures.

muscles like this! posted:

Hey, maybe Dragon Ball Super should realize that it is "super" not okay for Master Roshi to still be attempting to molest young women against their will.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Butt cheeks on TV was such a big deal in the 90’s. People lost their loving minds over it.

Butt holes on TV will be such a big deal in the 20’s.

sweet geek swag posted:

I mean it's a Japanese show so good luck trying to convince them! I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, but the Japanese probably wouldn't even understand what you are upset about. After all, Roshi never actually succeeds, right? The fact that his even taking those actions harms the women he is chasing is not something they seem to get.

muscles like this! posted:

If you want a bisexual TV cartoon dad there's always Bob Belcher. In the episode where the meat counter guy thinks Bob is hitting on him Bob's reply is "I'm straight! Well... mostly straight."

nonathlon posted:

NYPD Blue had such a thing for getting their cast naked, it was a joke that if you showed your butt, you were bound for the permanent cast.Part of the gritty realism of the show?

I also recollect that the 90s has several very mild lesbian moments that were "the kiss that shocked America": LA Law, Roseanne, some other shows? I don't remember much actual shock, just magazines saying there was shock.