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bawfuls posted:Has anyone in this thread used this portable charge cable? (Aerovironment TurboCord) Wow that is tiny. They really got everything squeezed in there. I would test drive a leaf and see if you have the same issue charging it but even if you don't it doesn't mean the EVSE is not to blame for your issue.
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The whole 'free charging' concept was why my company no longer has marked EV spaces near outlets. Too many bubbas complained about employees getting 'free gas' when they had to pay to fill up their F350s. I offered to pay $25/month for what I estimated my Volt was consuming while plugged in at work, but there were concerns that would be seen as paying for parking closer to the building. Which is also why they didn't install charging stations after I practically submitted all of the needed documentation for them to get free charging stations from the state.
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Goober Peas posted:The whole 'free charging' concept was why my company no longer has marked EV spaces near outlets. Too many bubbas complained about employees getting 'free gas' when they had to pay to fill up their F350s. I offered to pay $25/month for what I estimated my Volt was consuming while plugged in at work, but there were concerns that would be seen as paying for parking closer to the building. Which is also why they didn't install charging stations after I practically submitted all of the needed documentation for them to get free charging stations from the state. You work with children.
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Subjunctive posted:You work with children. I don't disagree. Except it's mostly 60 year old men who (probably) wear diapers, do a lot of crying. Aging Boomers definitely keep HR busy.
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Goober Peas posted:The whole 'free charging' concept was why my company no longer has marked EV spaces near outlets. Too many bubbas complained about employees getting 'free gas' when they had to pay to fill up their F350s. I offered to pay $25/month for what I estimated my Volt was consuming while plugged in at work, but there were concerns that would be seen as paying for parking closer to the building. Which is also why they didn't install charging stations after I practically submitted all of the needed documentation for them to get free charging stations from the state. This is a management problem. Also re low/high power outlets: Type 1 charging with normal outlets isn't recommended for permanent charging use, at least not here in europe... Type 2 with load balancing means that you have the opportunity to charge up quickly if the power is available, but everyone gets their fair share regardless of how many users you have, even on limited power.
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Subjunctive posted:You work with children. At least one major FAA facility has fully functioning L2 chargers installed, and the breakers opened and locked out because the employees did the exact same thing.
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Wibla posted:This is a management problem. The problem with management problems is you can't fix them unless you're their management.
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Wibla posted:This is a management problem. Some terminology confusion here, which is very understandable. There's Type, which is a type of plug, and Mode, which is a way of charging.Type 1 and Type 2 are charging interfaces, Leaf and some others have (had?) Type 1, Tesla and most others have Type 2. They are both Mode 3 charging, which means an AC charging station that can talk to the car. Mode 2 is plugged into a socket with a cable that has a brick on it. The brick has some power control and a circuit breaker. Not recommended for general use on household plugs, because most of them aren't sized for constant use and might overheat. This is probably what you've referred to as "Type 1". Mode 1 is applying an uncontrolled voltage directly to the battery, similar to how we charged lead acid batteries before trickle chargers. Not recommended at all for lithium batteries, but entirely possible. Mode 4 is DC fast charging.
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Yeah, I was posting in a hurry, and messed up. Thanks.
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I love how management refused to just tell the guys in the trucks to piss off. The company isn't capable of refueling their trucks every day as the cost is prohibitive, it's pretty loving simple.
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ratbert90 posted:I love how management refused to just tell the guys in the trucks to piss off. The company isn't capable of refueling their trucks every day as the cost is prohibitive, it's pretty loving simple. Also there's isn't piped gas in the walls, dispensable at trivial cost.
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ratbert90 posted:I love how management refused to just tell the guys in the trucks to piss off. The company isn't capable of refueling their trucks every day as the cost is prohibitive, it's pretty loving simple. who are you gonna piss off: the namby-pamby nebbish liberal IT guy with his electric car, or huge hulking bubba with a ram 5500 who definitely has guns on his person right now? who's gonna make this into A Thing that becomes a real problem, and who's going to just slink off and make some snippy comments when they're out of earshot?
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This is why EV spots should be planned far away from the most popular spots, even if that might mean longer cable runs. EV owners don't mind the walk at all, if they know they can charge and that the spots aren't ICEd.
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I ordered a 30' 14-50 extension cord to run to my garage for now since I don't want to pay for a new run into there. At first I was worried that the outlet being only 40 amp would be an issue but it turns out the mid-range model 3 only uses 32 amps.
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Ola posted:This is why EV spots should be planned far away from the most popular spots, even if that might mean longer cable runs. EV owners don't mind the walk at all, if they know they can charge and that the spots aren't ICEd. Yeah but the boss only put the EV charge point requisition into the budget request so he could use it for his Tesla. You think he wants to park anywhere but right in front of the entrance?
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Ola posted:This is why EV spots should be planned far away from the most popular spots, even if that might mean longer cable runs. EV owners don't mind the walk at all, if they know they can charge and that the spots aren't ICEd. ...And then someone with a handicapped plate and an EV gets a court order to move them up front.
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Our Ikea has a handicap/EV parking spot but I'm not sure if that means you can be either or you have to be both.
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MrYenko posted:...And then someone with a handicapped plate and an EV gets a court order to move them up front. Nah. Supercharger spots are usually off at the far reaches, and it’s been fine.
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This certainly seems consistent with having hundreds of thousands of orders on the books: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1074017743471443969
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eeenmachine posted:Got my new addition! My family has a blue, a red and a white Tesla. White is the way go. I really can't get over the front grill of the electric Kona if it was out when I got my Bolt I probably would have felt dumb getting the Bolt though. Paying more for what? A rad color but no adaptive cruise? Bah.
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drgitlin posted:This certainly seems consistent with having hundreds of thousands of orders on the books: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1074017743471443969 You're thinking they're disguising a week long policy of rerouting purchased vehicles that the owners can't pick up in time to get the extra $3,500 credit before the deadline to those who can as a ploy to offload vehicles they can't sell at all? I'm probably misunderstanding. Seems a waste if those sold vehicles have to wait, probably a whole lot of EV tax credits that would just go up in smoke. I think they've obviously ramped production enough to make it through pent up demand for US customers wanting a $50k + Model 3. But I'm not sure that is any kind of death knell for them. While every new territory they open up orders in will open the taps again they'll keep working the base price lower for those waiting in the US. That is my optimistic view that I'm sure is easily countered.
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eeenmachine posted:I think they've obviously ramped production enough to make it through pent up demand for US customers wanting a $50k + Model 3. But I'm not sure that is any kind of death knell for them. While every new territory they open up orders in will open the taps again they'll keep working the base price lower for those waiting in the US. That is my optimistic view that I'm sure is easily countered.
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bawfuls posted:It is if their finances are so tight that having significant unsold inventory prevents them from paying their creditors. Unless I'm mistaken, the vehicles they're trying to beat the credit deadline with are all sold with payment received, just undelivered right? That is what makes it controversial and is pissing off owners who were planning on taking delivery after getting back from the holidays. If anything they're grifting people by selling the same car twice. Unless I read the article the wrong way.
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Judging by what people visiting Tesla stores lately are saying, and by the extremely quick delivery times lately (someone in this thread went from ordering online to car-in-driveway in 5 days), Tesla has a large quantity of unsold inventory right now. this twitter thread, for example: https://twitter.com/BlondesE/status/1073780262826401792
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Most makers have around 60 to 70 days of unsold inventory, so Tesla planning on keeping 16 days of inventory to maximize tax credits hardly seems insane. Being able to walk in, test drive a car, and buy one all on the same day is how it works everywhere else. We’ll see pretty shortly if having some inventory ruins their 4th quarter.
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Yikes, if we've already reached max demand for Model 3, mass market EV adoption is facing much bigger hurdle then I imagined.
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borkencode posted:Most makers have around 60 to 70 days of unsold inventory, so Tesla planning on keeping 16 days of inventory to maximize tax credits hardly seems insane. eeenmachine posted:Yikes, if we've already reached max demand for Model 3, mass market EV adoption is facing much bigger hurdle then I imagined. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Dec 15, 2018 |
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borkencode posted:Most makers have around 60 to 70 days of unsold inventory, so Tesla planning on keeping 16 days of inventory to maximize tax credits hardly seems insane. How it works everywhere else is OEMs sell cars to dealers who then keep inventory. Tesla’s entire schtick has been selling BTO cars direct to customers. In fact Musk has lambasted companies who keep inventory in the past. If there really is so much demand for a car that’s about to get $3500 more expensive in three weeks how come there’s now surplus inventory? Despite Musk saying in OCTOBER that the deadline to order a car before the tax credit halved was then?
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eeenmachine posted:Yikes, if we've already reached max demand for Model 3, mass market EV adoption is facing much bigger hurdle then I imagined. Well, there's the mythical $35k version, and also the rest of the world. None of those markets have started being served by the tesla model 3 yet.
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Elon Musk has brain damage, and lies all the time, sometimes believing he isn't lying, sometimes lying on purpose.
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drgitlin posted:How it works everywhere else is OEMs sell cars to dealers who then keep inventory. It's the fleet vehicles, demo cars, loaners etc. Not that it matters, there's no explanation good enough, no set of facts to make you go "mhm aha well that's fine then". You hate Tesla and they can do no good according to you. Which in turn means your opinions on them are worthless.
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Ola posted:It's the fleet vehicles, demo cars, loaners etc. Not that it matters, there's no explanation good enough, no set of facts to make you go "mhm aha well that's fine then". You hate Tesla and they can do no good according to you. Which in turn means your opinions on them are worthless. love the car though
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It's cool that this forum has 2 or 3 different EV/Tesla threads but we can't discuss the reality of Tesla's precarious position in any of them. If you post about negative Tesla news here the Tesla Defenders get mad, it starts a derail, and mods have to shut things down. If you post moderately positive developments for Tesla in the CSPAM thread, people laugh at you for being duped by the grift king.
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bawfuls posted:Judging by what people visiting Tesla stores lately are saying, and by the extremely quick delivery times lately (someone in this thread went from ordering online to car-in-driveway in 5 days), Tesla has a large quantity of unsold inventory right now. Here is a guide to following twitter threads that have $TSLAQ or the word "research" in them. They have been 100% wrong, consistently for well over 18 months. If you find any value whatsoever in them at this point you might need to reevaluate how you gather and evaluate information. Tesla trying to boost end of year #s buy selling to buyers who can take immediate delivery (and thus pay Tesla immediately) rather then waiting for next year to complete the sale is exactly what any business would do.
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Ola posted:It's the fleet vehicles, demo cars, loaners etc. Not that it matters, there's no explanation good enough, no set of facts to make you go "mhm aha well that's fine then". You hate Tesla and they can do no good according to you. Which in turn means your opinions on them are worthless. I don’t hate Tesla. I hate the dissembling and the relentless boosterism, and the insane Elonstans who think he’s some kind of engineering wunderkint who personally designs the powertrains and rockets as opposed to being an psychopathic micromanager who’s responsible for some of the company’s biggest problems. And the commuting by Gulfstream while pretending to give a gently caress about the environment.
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He should have solved the bigger problem of clean CEO transportation before the less impactful problem of mass transport lol. At least if they can't sell batteries with wheels there might be a sizable market for stationary ones! https://electrek.co/2018/12/15/tesla-megapack-debut-giant-energy-storage/ I'm fine with Tesla only owning the luxury segment if the other manufacturers step up and take the rest of the market with EVs. Just make it to the Roadster 2 please!!!
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bawfuls posted:If you post about negative Tesla news here the Tesla Defenders get mad, it starts a derail, and mods have to shut things down. It's not negative news, that upsets "Tesla Defenders" it's nonsense BS twitter threads or the lovely opinion of the forums "Very Professional Automotive Journalist" who has some personal vendetta against Tesla. Post about Elon being a prick to work with and firing people without good reason. Post about the model 3 ramp up from well over a year ago and the problems with it. But some dude with a drone the put pictures of 50 model 3's in a parking lot then them post $TSLAQ on twitter, the then the NEW YORK loving TIMES picks up the story and runs with it like it's a real thing is pretty stupid. That is what is upsetting. It's like some people just can not accept that Tesla model 3s are in fact good cars and people like them.
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bawfuls posted:^^case in point Again, some idiot on twitter posting a bad take is not negative news. It's absurd to give it any legitimacy.
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