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Maybe it was similar to how Feng Shui sometimes involves gracing a certain wall with specific decor. These road dongs are meant to direct the presence of the road spirits in the least conflicting manner. Dong Shui, as it were.
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There are also non-penis ones at Pompeii intersections but the dicks get all the press.
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But the Romans borrowed Priapus from the Greeks? And the Lares are Etruscan influence.
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Exposed vulvas also keep away bad spirits in some cultures, on some medieval churches you find Sheela na gig reliefs of women flashing their bits.
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Roman chariots not only had truk nutz, they had full on truk dicks. Apparently they hung those dick charms on the underside of their chariots to protect against bad mojo.
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FAUXTON posted:Roman chariots not only had truk nutz, they had full on truk dicks. Apparently they hung those dick charms on the underside of their chariots to protect against bad mojo. Seems like you're just dragging your dicks on the ground.
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cheetah7071 posted:I prefer the idea that priests believed roads were horny I mean, I can't count the number of times I-5 has hosed me over so...
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Grand Fromage posted:Erect dicks specifically warded off evil but I can't remember why. Because floppy ones are useless. On another note: mediaeval and early modern manuscripts and books seem to have a lot of white space on the page, and the writing seems to be quite compact. Is there any reason for that?
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Safety Biscuits posted:Because floppy ones are useless. For dicks that never were.
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Safety Biscuits posted:Because floppy ones are useless. Bugs/mice eat the edges of the page so you need to leave a wide margin
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Family Values posted:But the Romans borrowed Priapus from the Greeks? And the Lares are Etruscan influence. I never said anything about Priapus? Lares do have Etruscan elements but are you arguing that a single unclear example of influence invalidates the entire native Roman religion? That doesn't make sense. The only part there that's clearly borrowed is when lares begin to be depicted as anthropomorphic deities. The other spirits were not; the idea of anthropomorphic gods has no Roman basis and comes from Etruscans. Though there's literally nothing you can say about Roman/Etruscan cultural relationships that isn't controversial, since this all takes place well before the period where we start getting any decent amount of evidence. E: Lares also aren't a great example on my part, I shouldn't post at 2:30 AM. They're too familiar as anthropomorphized deities. But they're just one category of a literally uncountable number of spirits. Also this is presuming "Etruscan influence" is a thing and the Romans aren't just weird Etruscans, which is itself a controversial assumption. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 25, 2018 |
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Safety Biscuits posted:On another note: mediaeval and early modern manuscripts and books seem to have a lot of white space on the page, and the writing seems to be quite compact. Is there any reason for that? Sometimes for art that ended up never getting put on Sometimes for people to put their notes in the margins
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HEY GUNS posted:For people to hold and touch. Ink and paint sit on top of parchment, they don't sink into it. You have to avoid touching the letters and the art The art would have had dicks right?
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The art would have had dicks right? quite frequently, yes, although probably not to ward off evil spirits  https://i.pinimg.com/474x/6a/96/f1/6a96f132fa67aab215613d04e33983de--the-edge-medieval.jpg
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Grand Fromage posted:I never said anything about Priapus? Lares do have Etruscan elements but are you arguing that a single unclear example of influence invalidates the entire native Roman religion? That doesn't make sense. The only part there that's clearly borrowed is when lares begin to be depicted as anthropomorphic deities. The other spirits were not; the idea of anthropomorphic gods has no Roman basis and comes from Etruscans. Though there's literally nothing you can say about Roman/Etruscan cultural relationships that isn't controversial, since this all takes place well before the period where we start getting any decent amount of evidence. My objection is to describing it as 'native,' implying that the state deities (Jupiter and so forth) are non-native. It's completely fair to point out that there were levels Roman religion below the state deities that were just as important to day to day life – minor deities (or 'spirits') of particular locations, etc. that people are less familiar with than the main pantheon. The Celts and Greeks had those too. But Jupiter and the rest of the pantheon are definitely native to Italic culture and descended from proto-IE culture. Native vs. non-native is not a very useful way to describe the situation, IMO.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The art would have had dicks right? all of it
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Roman/ancient history: The art would have had dicks right?
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That "it's mine now, later hosers" look is the best.
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Mods please change my name to "medieval dick weasel" please.
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Family Values posted:My objection is to describing it as 'native,' implying that the state deities (Jupiter and so forth) are non-native. It's completely fair to point out that there were levels Roman religion below the state deities that were just as important to day to day life – minor deities (or 'spirits') of particular locations, etc. that people are less familiar with than the main pantheon. The Celts and Greeks had those too. But Jupiter and the rest of the pantheon are definitely native to Italic culture and descended from proto-IE culture. Native vs. non-native is not a very useful way to describe the situation, IMO. We're just splitting hairs about wording then. The named Roman gods are certainly a Roman thing, but it's also true that they're part of that shared religious culture that we also see with the Greeks, Etruscans, etc. The Mediterranean at least, or the hypothesis those are the PIE gods and every named pantheon in Europe is derived from it. Either way, that's definitely a widely shared tradition, even if the Roman version of it is particular to the Romans. The Roman spirit world is to my knowledge not shared by other cultures in Europe. There are other animist traditions but they're different. That said, there's so little we can say for sure about it because we don't have stories and inscriptions and great temples and whatnot the way we do with the anthropomorphic Roman gods that it's possible that is also a shared European animist tradition. We just keep running into the same barrier, we know so little about very early Roman/proto-Roman culture.
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Bitch why would I want a raw fish when I’ve got this rock hard dick in my mouth? -me and the dick weasel
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SHUT UP AND LOOK AT THE ENGRAVING instead of a cross on her rosary that woman has a hanging dong
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HEY GUNS posted:SHUT UP AND LOOK AT THE ENGRAVING Which variant of Catholicism uses that?
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Grand Fromage posted:I never said anything about Priapus? Lares do have Etruscan elements but are you arguing that a single unclear example of influence invalidates the entire native Roman religion? That doesn't make sense. The only part there that's clearly borrowed is when lares begin to be depicted as anthropomorphic deities. The other spirits were not; the idea of anthropomorphic gods has no Roman basis and comes from Etruscans. Though there's literally nothing you can say about Roman/Etruscan cultural relationships that isn't controversial, since this all takes place well before the period where we start getting any decent amount of evidence. I've heard talk about Roman "Laren and Penaten" before. Are the "Penates" the non-anthropomorphic spirits? Anyway, the Roman spirit world fascinates me, as it weirdly resembles the Germanic idea that the world is filled with tiny dwarf people, air spirits and wood spirits (Waldschrate) you have to placate (or sometimes you just don't have to be rude). Of course thanks to Christianity bulldozing everything over, it's incredibly hard to decide from our view point if this was something the Germanics came up with themselves, or if some odd cultural cross-contamination took place, considering the history between the Germanic and the Roman people. (Even up here in North Germany, every year more remnants of Roman occupation are found.)
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Libluini posted:Are the "Penates" the non-anthropomorphic spirits? No, they're another category of household gods/spirits like the lares. I don't know if there is a term for the spirits that inhabited the world in general. This is what happens when you switch from Soviet to Roman history halfway through college and never learned Latin.
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sullat posted:Which variant of Catholicism uses that? The fun one.
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Grand Fromage posted:No, they're another category of household gods/spirits like the lares. I don't know if there is a term for the spirits that inhabited the world in general. This is what happens when you switch from Soviet to Roman history halfway through college and never learned Latin. Numen?
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EricBauman posted:Numen? Possibly. I remember numen as sort of any divine force which wouldn't preclude the spirits, but I'm not sure it is specifically them. Or that the Romans even had a term like that, modern people trying to make some sort of specific animist spirit category with a name attached may not be something Romans would even have recognized as a thing.
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EricBauman posted:Numen?
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EricBauman posted:Numen Scarodactyl posted:Numen ancient history right?
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Most/all of the cultures of the classical era had folk mythology/religion (paganus) that the commoners and peasants practiced but that the elite looked down their noses at. Since the elites were (mostly) the ones writing history, it either gets left out or belittled.
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The written religions of the period tended to be communal where there wasn't much room for religious activity at the individual level for non priests. It makes sense there'd be parallel spiritualism for the lower classes
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sullat posted:Which variant of Catholicism uses that?
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HEY GUNS posted:For people to hold and touch. Ink and paint sit on top of parchment, they don't sink into it. You have to avoid touching the letters and the art Squalid posted:Bugs/mice eat the edges of the page so you need to leave a wide margin Thanks, that all makes sense.
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Grand Fromage posted:
Surely this is far more likely than them being trojans though, right? What else could they really be?
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underage at the vape shop posted:Surely this is far more likely than them being trojans though, right? What else could they really be? That's what GF was saying - the assumption that they aren't "weird Etruscans" is controversial.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Surely this is far more likely than them being trojans though, right? What else could they really be? Native to Italy, like the Etruscans, but not really the same thing, as evinced by their very different languages. "It came from Asia Minor" traditions were not unique to Rome; the Greeks believed the Etruscans were descended from some kind of Anatolians too. I think scholarly orthodoxy these days would lean more towards the idea that the Romans were not Etruscans in any meaningful sense, but gained their ideas of governance and civilization largely thanks to them.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Surely this is far more likely than them being trojans though, right? What else could they really be? Nobody knows. The Romans clearly have a lot of Etruscan cultural elements in them, but the fact that they speak a language unrelated to Etruscan is a real impediment for the people who argue they're just Etruscans.
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Grand Fromage posted:Possibly. I remember numen as sort of any divine force which wouldn't preclude the spirits, but I'm not sure it is specifically them. Or that the Romans even had a term like that, modern people trying to make some sort of specific animist spirit category with a name attached may not be something Romans would even have recognized as a thing. The way my Latin teacher told us a decade in a half ago, numen was originally the term used for the spirits and it later got used for other divine stuff as well. That may however have just been his belief or what he was taught in university in the 70s, because looking back at it now, I don't think there's really a good way to tell what the word was used for based on the periods we have written sources from.
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