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Throgg with an army of Trolls and Manticores cures siege battles.
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Dr Christmas posted:So my Lothern campaign saw Teclis join with Mazdamundi when I broke a treaty with the later and sent an intervention army after him. We never had to fight, so our relationship score went up so that I was able to quickly make peace and confederate when my reliability recovered after many, many turns. If a faction is on their last legs they'll sometimes accept confederation as a term of peace. Not sure of all the mechanics involved because I've had this happen but I've also had them fight to the last man
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Jan 17, 2019 18:32
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I’m having fun in my current Nagarythe run. I have a brace of spearmen lead the main assault and then slip a dozen Shadow-walkers up the undefended walls opposite of them. Once you get Shadow-walkers on the walls they clean house and shoot into the defenders. It’s probably the only time in TWWH I’ve enjoyed sieges because it feels like a bunch of spec-op commandos sneaking in. It’s a pretty fun campaign.
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Jan 17, 2019 20:17
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Dr Christmas posted:So my Lothern campaign saw Teclis join with Mazdamundi when I broke a treaty with the later and sent an intervention army after him. We never had to fight, so our relationship score went up so that I was able to quickly make peace and confederate when my reliability recovered after many, many turns. You download the workshop mod that lets you force a confederation when you wipe out a faction, that's what! I get more mileage out of that in a Mortal Empires campaign so I can play Vlad the Dad and get Mannfred by punching him in the teeth, otherwise he's always a stubborn bastard who never confederates.
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Jan 17, 2019 21:46
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I got to a point that I felt comfortable putting that Karak Kadrin campaign down. I started a game as Crone Hellebron and didnt like the sound of her Blood Sacrifice mechanic so then I started up a game as Lokhir Fellhart. There is a loyalty mechanic that the Dark Elves have for their leaders - the game told me that my Black Ark's commander has low loyalty and I should do something to get him to like me. I've checked all the menus I can find and I dont see a way to give him a gift or anything, so, uhh, what do I do? Also, how do I get a good start as Lokhir, this is a rough start. edit: like...its turn 10 and the Skaven Corruption is already almost 60% edit2: and now the Order of Loremasters joined the Skaven Clan Eshin in a war against me  edit3: WTF is this green lighting spell these rebel skaven armies have that utterly destroys my units, taking around 90% of their health bar when it hits? And it lands so fast that it is unavoidable, too. And why do Skaven Night Runner Slingers do absurd amounts of damage compared to my Darkshards, who have a higher damage value? Especially when my dudes that they are shooting have silver shields. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 00:21
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I got to a point that I felt comfortable putting that Karak Kadrin campaign down. I started a game as Crone Hellebron and didnt like the sound of her Blood Sacrifice mechanic so then I started up a game as Lokhir Fellhart. There is a loyalty mechanic that the Dark Elves have for their leaders - the game told me that my Black Ark's commander has low loyalty and I should do something to get him to like me. I've checked all the menus I can find and I dont see a way to give him a gift or anything, so, uhh, what do I do? Hiring units will often make a lord happy. Dark Elves have a rite that you can use that will have a good chance of increasing loyalty every turn. Dark Elf assassins also have an ability that gives any lord in the same army a chance of increasing loyalty every turn. Usually you can give lords magic items and such to make them happy but I don't know what to do about Black Arks besides use the rite and/or hire some corsairs and see if it helps. Lokhir is a bit of a tricky start but once you get him going he's a wrecking ball due to the obscene amount of money you can eventually make with slaves. I tried to get my starting spot together relatively quickly, stamp out Skrolk ASAP, and go get Itza (to the west, it's a 10 slot city). Because of your skaven and vampire pirate neighbors public order will be a problem for a while. If you can manage it, there is no opponent better for farming slaves than Skaven. Personally I just wiped them off the map because I was sick of dealing with their corruption. Skaven are one of the few things that darkshards aren't really amazing against. Night Runners have the 'dodge' characteristic which is something like a 30% physical resist against non-magic attacks and the armor piercing doesn't really help against them so it's actually a pretty bad matchup. They are definitely a thorn in your side until you get some sort of cavalry to run them off. Your corsairs are cheap and easy to get and should make pretty short work of skaven chaff while your darkshards kill any rat ogres.
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Jan 18, 2019 01:32
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Goddamn, making Wulfrik the Everchosen is insane. I went from bleeding nearly 20k gold a turn to making more than that even without raiding. Khemri won't last long.
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Jan 18, 2019 01:38
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Diogenes of Sinope posted:You download the workshop mod that lets you force a confederation when you wipe out a faction, that's what! I get more mileage out of that in a Mortal Empires campaign so I can play Vlad the Dad and get Mannfred by punching him in the teeth, otherwise he's always a stubborn bastard who never confederates. There's also a mod that allows you to recruit an LL as soon as their faction is defeated, in case you don't care about confederating. It's great for when you want to get an LL that's on the other side of the planet and are afraid they will be erased from the map before you get to them. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1579089019 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1489981722
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Jan 18, 2019 06:18
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:edit3: WTF is this green lighting spell these rebel skaven armies have that utterly destroys my units, taking around 90% of their health bar when it hits? And it lands so fast that it is unavoidable, too. And why do Skaven Night Runner Slingers do absurd amounts of damage compared to my Darkshards, who have a higher damage value? Especially when my dudes that they are shooting have silver shields. Warp Lightning is ridiculous. Cheap as hell, accurate down to the pixel, and it's a goddamn Ion cannon. A Ruin Grey Seer and a stack of skavenslaves can siege down a major city just off the back of the firepower that Warp Lightning brings. In field battles there's not much you can do other than try to stay mobile until the Grey Seer is neutralised or just tank the damage. edit: Warlock Engineers get the spell too so during the fairly common battles against stacks that contain both a Grey Seer AND a Warlock Engineer the fun never ends. Often Abbreviated fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 06:38
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Warp Lightning might be the most cost-efficient damage spell in the game, maybe only comparable to Flock of Doom.
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Jan 18, 2019 07:06
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wind blast is certainly up there for value e: for instance in my kroq gar campaign my skink priest got more than 1400 kills with wind blasts and 2 chain lightnings against khalidas stacks Ammanas fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 08:23
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toasterwarrior posted:Warp Lightning might be the most cost-efficient damage spell in the game, maybe only comparable to Flock of Doom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNm022Tlenc&t=495s
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Jan 18, 2019 08:39
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Siege battles would suck 50% less if gates weren't literally products of the chaos realms.
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Jan 18, 2019 14:20
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Often Abbreviated posted:Warp Lightning is ridiculous. Cheap as hell, accurate down to the pixel, and it's a goddamn Ion cannon. A Ruin Grey Seer and a stack of skavenslaves can siege down a major city just off the back of the firepower that Warp Lightning brings. In field battles there's not much you can do other than try to stay mobile until the Grey Seer is neutralised or just tank the damage.
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Jan 18, 2019 14:42
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Hell yeah And yes, for this reason, Grey Seers with Ruin magic are the best Lord choice for Skaven, because they can get an additional 1 or 2 winds discount on Warp Lightning casts, as well as not having to tech up to Warlock Engineers to access the spell in the first place. But you should still get Warlock Engineers anyway, for more item slots for possibly increasing your winds reserves, as well as supercharging your very good artillery into complete monsters.
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Jan 18, 2019 14:52
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Azran posted:There's also a mod that allows you to recruit an LL as soon as their faction is defeated, in case you don't care about confederating. It's great for when you want to get an LL that's on the other side of the planet and are afraid they will be erased from the map before you get to them. What's the advantage of force confederation over just conquering them and then using the other mod to recruit the legendary lord?
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Jan 18, 2019 16:11
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goddammit i am loving sick of these endless siege battles against the undead i've been having an army help out the bretonnians kill off kemmler and moussilon, and i've fought 5 siege battles in a row that always play out the loving same and take too long to end because the undead dont run, save me from this hell toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 18, 2019 |
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Jan 18, 2019 18:02
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In the time it takes to starve out a siege you could just raise a second army to defeat the defenders with overwhelming force (at least via the AR calculations). You should never fight an offensive siege manually, it's a lesson in frustration. Or just get the no-walls mod. I think I'm done with the wall defenses for a couple decades.
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Jan 18, 2019 19:07
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Yeah I've been autoresolving 99% of all city battles because ugh. I just bring a second full stack of infantry OR a second general with little-to-no army and I ambush cheese the garrison into a field fight then autoresolve taking the city if I dont 100% kill off the defending army (which shouldnt be a problem with undead).
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Jan 18, 2019 19:30
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Not quite at the stage where I can run double armies per front yet, sadly. After this I should be good though, just one more goddamn siege battle.
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Jan 18, 2019 19:41
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toasterwarrior posted:Not quite at the stage where I can run double armies per front yet, sadly. After this I should be good though, just one more goddamn siege battle.
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Jan 18, 2019 19:47
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Ah yeah that sucks. Have you tried sieging with just a general, with the rest of your army standing nearby in ambush stance? It gets the city garrison to come out into the field. Its super cheesy but I have no qualms doing it because the siege battles are just so tedious. Oh yeah, trust me, I have no scruples at all when it comes to sieges as well. It's funny: the Empire actually is probably of the top picks for siege warfare in this game thanks to Mortars and magic, but the undead just not routing makes the braindead, heh, siege AI even worse because at least routing units might end up deciding to engage your blob instead of standing on the walls like idiots. Instead I have to send dudes up there to try and kill them off, and that usually goes stupidly slow because fighting on the wall also fucks with how individual models move and engage. It's just a complete slog, man. I can only wish the "remove all walls" mod actually worked with the major overhauls, but that looks like a no go.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:14
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Siege battles are tedious enough that they actively prevent me from playing factions that are poor/slow at sieges, like cav-heavy Bretonnia or treekin-heavy Durthu. Sadly, the problem with no walls mods is that they're a double-edged sword that renders basically every single one of your cities vulnerable to the backstabbing AI.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:19
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What's the good HE vortex campaign army composition when fighting Lizardmen? It's turn 70-ish and I own most of Ulthuan. I was thinking 2 stacks of: 2-4 Sisters of Averlorn for armoured stuff 2-4 Swordmasters of Hoeth to keep Saurus fixed as lines clash 6 Sea Guard 6 Archers Melee champion and a mage when possible. I play on normal.
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Jan 18, 2019 23:37
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alex314 posted:What's the good HE vortex campaign army composition when fighting Lizardmen? It's turn 70-ish and I own most of Ulthuan. I was thinking 2 stacks of: Assuming you have the cash for it, replace the archers with more sisters of averlorn for chewing through the chunky dinos and generals and get some heavy cav and/or monsters for rear charging/routing enemies and some light cav for chasing down any routed enemies to prevent them from reforming. Your ellyrian horse archers are the best light cav in the game, great for chasing down broken units, great for kiting, good for acting as mobile archers/shooting enemies in the back and even adequate at rear charging enemy troops as long as you just don't let them stay there and slug it out after the temporary charge bonus is gone. In my low budget armies I just skip heavy cav and monsters altogether and just add more horse archers.
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Jan 19, 2019 01:46
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So, uhm, i think i'm getting whats known as "green tide" but the orks are fielding multiple (as in iv seen about 5-6 with this comp) of almost nothing but goblin rock thowers with a handful of black orks. thing is when they layed siege to one of my settlements the rock throwers couldn't seem to actually damage the walls so the army simply stood outside dying to archer towers until they finally fled.       they just don't stop coming with these loving rock chuckers
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Jan 19, 2019 06:13
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I've converted to Luckys Overhaul. Just had a battle vs Arkhan the Black as Settra where my army was wiped out except his starting Warsphix and Casket of Souls, with Settra personally chasing down Arkhan (who survived until then alongside half a unit of crypt ghouls) and was struck down in mounted melee. Totally worth the army loss, it was cinematic as gently caress.
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Jan 19, 2019 06:30
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I usually run into a rock lobber based army or two when I play dwarves, yeah. And mass corpse carts from vampire counts. And let's not forget the "six sorceresses to every late game army" meta. Greenskins definitely go the most overboard, though.
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Jan 19, 2019 06:55
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WHY look at this loving poo poo 
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Jan 19, 2019 07:11
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And you're running the faction that gets penalized for using ambush tactics too, lol gently caress it, go and ambush them, that penalty ain't poo poo
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Jan 19, 2019 07:13
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You guys have any harder Chaos invasion mods to recommend? The first wave spawns like a single Chaos Warrior horde and 2 Warherds of Chaos, and at turn 100 that's embarrassingly weak. Something that gives them more armies without changing the turns they invade in would be nice.
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Jan 19, 2019 13:40
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toasterwarrior posted:Oh yeah, trust me, I have no scruples at all when it comes to sieges as well. I love siege fights with the Tomb Kings because the Casket of Souls absolutely wrecks that drat area right above the gate where your archers can't ever seem to hit anybody yet the AI somehow packs like 3 units there. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a better siege weapon for clearing walls, at least if you don't make the mistake of shooting at the walls from long range (the casket has bad accuracy).
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Jan 19, 2019 14:59
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toasterwarrior posted:You guys have any harder Chaos invasion mods to recommend? The first wave spawns like a single Chaos Warrior horde and 2 Warherds of Chaos, and at turn 100 that's embarrassingly weak. Something that gives them more armies without changing the turns they invade in would be nice. If you want an all-around harder campaign try "Harder Campaign (beta)". I've actually lost campaigns with this one. And it spawns Chaos repeatedly with like 12 stacks, plus Warherd of Chaos gets the same. It's fun but tiring.
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Jan 19, 2019 18:38
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Would skaven be better or worse if instead of their spells and abilities summoning clan rats that could route if instead they summoned unbreakable skavenslaves and overcast clan rats?
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Jan 19, 2019 19:09
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Zudgemud posted:(...) add more horse archers.
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Jan 19, 2019 19:14
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Ammanas posted:If you want an all-around harder campaign try "Harder Campaign (beta)". I've actually lost campaigns with this one. And it spawns Chaos repeatedly with like 12 stacks, plus Warherd of Chaos gets the same. It's fun but tiring. Dang, looks like it makes too many recommendations for either of the big overhauls. Thanks for the recommendation though, I might use it for a non-overhaul run. Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Would skaven be better or worse if instead of their spells and abilities summoning clan rats that could route if instead they summoned unbreakable skavenslaves and overcast clan rats? IMO Unbreakable units are far more useful than they seem because the combat engine can be real fussy at times, so you end up with units getting tied up by like 5 guys left over from a Flagellant unit or whatever that just keep getting lucky on not getting hit. Skavenslaves might be complete poo poo, but Unbreakable Skavenslaves getting dropped into a ranged line would lead to them being an unreasonably powerful distraction for way too long.
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Jan 19, 2019 19:21
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Would skaven be better or worse if instead of their spells and abilities summoning clan rats that could route if instead they summoned unbreakable skavenslaves and overcast clan rats? Unbreakable would be really good but they need to not decay at the very least.
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Jan 19, 2019 23:02
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toasterwarrior posted:Dang, looks like it makes too many recommendations for either of the big overhauls. Thanks for the recommendation though, I might use it for a non-overhaul run. I mean unbreakable summoned Skavenslaves would be worse summoned zombies (lacking fear and having lower HP). And they'd still pretty rapidly decay. Honestly it'd probably be a wash with what they have now
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Jan 20, 2019 00:08
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toasterwarrior posted:Dang, looks like it makes too many recommendations for either of the big overhauls. Thanks for the recommendation though, I might use it for a non-overhaul run. i don't run overhauls but have only run 2 successful campaigns with this mod: empire and helves.
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Is there a decent general Unit Cap mod like the big overhauls implement, but stand alone? Something like "Two units of arty per arty building." I think this was duscussed awhile ago, so apologies if so. Preferably just a faction wide one,
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