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Pvt.Scott posted:Economic empowerment and job training/college is a good thing. I’m suggesting that some of the higher-ups might consider this shiny lure as an unfortunate necessity to tempt the poor and disenfranchised to catch bullets which would otherwise be flying at privileged boys. I’m not mad that the armed forces use these tactics because I’m not sure how our volunteer-only military could field itself otherwise. I just find the whole thing depressing. Do you mean political or military higher-ups? What bothers me along the privilege lines is what seems to be an attitude among the privileged class that military service is fine for others but not for them or their kids. It's depressing to have rich folks who think of the military as being full of no-hopers, dropouts, or just races/colors they don't like and therefore don't care about. I mean I think it's a fact they think this way, but I'm depressed about it  quote:You’re spot-on about recruiters only caring about hitting quotas. They’re just a small cog in the military-industrial machine. I’m just an Air Force officer’s son yelling at clouds. what does your dad do in the air force if you dont mind me asking, I'm just curious (I'm not a Russian bot I swear)
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PetraCore posted:And also that to some people high up, it provides an incentive to NOT try to improve certain things, because if college tuition wasn't a big deal etc, then it wouldn't be something people joined the military for. But that's not a problem on the recruiter level, that's a deeply ingrained systemic problem tangled in with a bunch of other systemic problems. I remember when Seattle started its $15 minimum wage, military recruiters suddenly had a massive drop in applicants to the point where they were just sitting around with nothing to do. Turns out just about everyone who was joining was doing it for survival, which no longer became necessary once they were paid a living wage.
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Slippery posted:VA care isn't what it should be, that's for sure. Retiree health insurance is great (incredibly cheap) but my understanding of the VA itself is that it doesn't work super well. I've got some specific bitterness because the Navy was not great for either of my brothers so while one is going to school now on the Veteran's bill and the other got a good-paying boiler engineering job through Navy engineer vet contacts it still took a lot out of both of them, both in years of their life and in mental health. I think some of the mental health issues would have come up anyway, but I think the environment severely worsened them. It's just unfortunate. I don't think people in the military are bad but I think the institution as it is now has severe problems and there are lots of people higher-up making decisions that aren't looking out for their people.
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chitoryu12 posted:I remember when Seattle started its $15 minimum wage, military recruiters suddenly had a massive drop in applicants to the point where they were just sitting around with nothing to do. Turns out just about everyone who was joining was doing it for survival, which no longer became necessary once they were paid a living wage. When I first read that somewhere I thought it was a joke at first but nope That said, I think the minimum wage should be $15 nationally, at least in part because it would force the DoD to raise the pay scale
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Slippery posted:Do you mean political or military higher-ups? What bothers me along the privilege lines is what seems to be an attitude among the privileged class that military service is fine for others but not for them or their kids. It's depressing to have rich folks who think of the military as being full of no-hopers, dropouts, or just races/colors they don't like and therefore don't care about. I mean I think it's a fact they think this way, but I'm depressed about it He’s retired, but he’s a general practice doctor and has done some sports medicine stuff, too. He often disagreed with policies, hated red tape and despised corruption, so he was transferred to a new base every two years or so after pissing off everybody above him. My mom kept him from making any truly career-ending moves many times. Coulda retired full bird instead of Lt. Colonel, if he had played ball more often. That’s as much I’ve gleaned from my mom and lol if you think my dad was home from work long enough for me to develop the relationship necessary to ask him about this stuff. Nobody on my dad’s side of the family takes bullshit for long, and I’ve gotten fired before by tilting at windmills of bullshittery. I’d often hear months later that things got changed for the better by my protestations. Shame about the job. 
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PetraCore posted:Yup, fully agreed there! And it's not like we don't have a huge military budget. If we aren't putting enough money towards taking care of vets because instead we could be throwing it at weapons development (which is not even used very efficiently from what I understand), well that says things about our priorities and it's not good things. I don't think the VA is funded by DoD although I agree one could decrement DoD budget if that was the only choice. quote:Even the thing about 'we can't have transgender servicepeople because the medical costs would be too much', well that's obviously just rooted in transphobia but like, even if you provided free and quality transition for everyone who wanted it in the military it would be a drop in the ocean, there IS money for it. The military absolutely should allow transgender people to serve and should pay for transitions. I am really unhappy that this isn't the case just like I was when gay folks couldn't serve. A nation's military should reflect its people and anyone who wants to serve and can meet physical and mental requirements should be welcomed. It is wrong to disallow transgender people. I hope it changes. quote:I've got some specific bitterness because the Navy was not great for either of my brothers so while one is going to school now on the Veteran's bill and the other got a good-paying boiler engineering job through Navy engineer vet contacts it still took a lot out of both of them, both in years of their life and in mental health. I think some of the mental health issues would have come up anyway, but I think the environment severely worsened them. It's just unfortunate. I don't think people in the military are bad but I think the institution as it is now has severe problems and there are lots of people higher-up making decisions that aren't looking out for their people. Yeah, military suicides are way too high and training people to notice warning signs is part of the solution but doesn't address the root cause.
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PetraCore posted:Even the thing about Trump going 'we can't have transgender servicepeople because the medical costs would be too much', well that's obviously just rooted in transphobia but like, even if you provided free and quality transition for everyone who wanted it in the military it would be a drop in the ocean, there IS money for it. There was something on the news about this a few days ago. My dad said transgender service people are a risk on deployment, specifically because supplies can get disrupted. If you can’t get your hormone stuff, you start to de-transition, which can cause mental trauma and plenty of physical problems in the field. Morale suffers, unit cohesion suffers. I said that the morale and cohesion arguments were the same ones brought forth for keeping women out of combat. He then said it was like any service member with a chronic medical issue (his example was a bum knee), you get discharged posthaste. He didn’t really seem to care about the issue for transphobic reasons, just medical and logistical ones. It certainly wasn’t a budget issue in his opinion (I agree). Still not sure what to make of any of that.
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Pvt.Scott posted:There was something on the news about this a few days ago. My dad said transgender service people are a risk on deployment, specifically because supplies can get disrupted. If you can’t get your hormone stuff, you start to de-transition, which can cause mental trauma and plenty of physical problems in the field. Morale suffers, unit cohesion suffers. I said that the morale and cohesion arguments were the same ones brought forth for keeping women out of combat. He then said it was like any service member with a chronic medical issue (his example was a bum knee), you get discharged posthaste. He didn’t really seem to care about the issue for transphobic reasons, just medical and logistical ones. It certainly wasn’t a budget issue in his opinion (I agree).
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PetraCore posted:A transgender service person who is in a position to be deployed has almost certainly already considered the possibility that they won't always be able to get their hormones, but just being able to openly socially transition helps a lot. It's really the sort of decision that the person involved needs to evaluate themselves, because dysphoria hits different people different ways and with different triggers. Quite a few trans people are already serving in the military, this would just be giving them a structure to more effectively serve and help their mental health. I’m not sure how many trans service members there were in the 80s and 90s, or even the early aughts. I think my dad retired in 2002, maybe? Fake edit: yeah, looks like my dad was out long before any real attempts were made to change the policy of just kicking trans people to the curb when detected. His med school in the late 70s and early 80s would have still been going on transgender (and many other “deviant sexualities”) as mental illness. I don’t think trans issues are exactly a hot issue at Midwest family practice seminars, either. Old man is old. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_personnel_in_the_United_States_military
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My half-sister joined ROTC when her grades were too bad in her first year of college for her parents to keep paying for it, so they said figure out how to pay or come home and get a job/go to community college. (This right after 9/11 so basically all of ROTC no matter your major was a full ride) So she joined, and now flies KC135s and has two masters degrees. That's my military story.
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Pvt.Scott posted:There was something on the news about this a few days ago. My dad said transgender service people are a risk on deployment, specifically because supplies can get disrupted. If you can’t get your hormone stuff, you start to de-transition, which can cause mental trauma and plenty of physical problems in the field. Ugh, light colonels havin' opinions  That argument is wrong because you can apply it to anyone with meds or conditions. that is why there exists an ALC (assignment limitation code) for some people who must be stationed near certain medical facilities etc. and deployment limitation codes the same way so some people can only deploy to certain locations. he knows this because he is a doctor. there are plenty of AF people with various profiles or restrictions for medical or family or other reasons. there is already a system in place for what he is describing. quote:Morale suffers, unit cohesion suffers. I said that the morale and cohesion arguments were the same ones brought forth for keeping women out of combat. This is a BS argument and to be frank its plain wrong. ask him what happened the day after homosexual folks were allowed to serve. ask him to show you the unit climate surveys that said 'because there are openly gay folks this unit sucks.' they don't exist because nobody, by and large, cares. I've read many of those drat things and never once seen a comment about it (they are anonymous). If indeed people got mad cause there was a trans person in their unit then 1) leadership better handle that poo poo just like if a dude drops an N bomb or harasses a woman or whatever. 2) saying morale will drop is saying that airmen are small minded morons. some sure are. but most are not and can, and must be expected to, handle it. 3) people can take combat deployments but wont be able to handle having airman Johnny come in as airman suzie one day? Whatever. I don't mean to rant on your dad but I never could stand that argument when dudes would use it to say homosexuals shouldnt serve. finally and most importantly the airplane doesn't care who fixes it and that (the mission) is the most important thing. get me good technicians and I couldn't care less about all the other crap. quote:He then said it was like any service member with a chronic medical issue (his example was a bum knee), you get discharged posthaste. He didn’t really seem to care about the issue for transphobic reasons, just medical and logistical ones. It certainly wasn’t a budget issue in his opinion (I agree). People do get discharged for medical conditions from time to time, physical and mental both. But transitioning is not 'a condition' like being bipolar because it doesn't interfere with your ability to do your duty. The service spends more on Viagra then it would cost to cover transition meds for as many people as they project would want them. end of story.
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i found a disease i hadn't heard of yesterday. relapsing polychondritis is where your immune system starts attacking its own proteins and gradually destroys all the cartilage in your body. usually arthritis in the joints in the first symptom, but as the disease progresses the sufferers' ears and nose can implode in on themselves. patients often die when their blood vessels and heart valves lose their structural integrity, or when the rings of cartilage that hold the trachea open degrade and the trachea collapses. why does it happen? nobody knows!
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pikachode posted:i found a disease i hadn't heard of yesterday. relapsing polychondritis is where your immune system starts attacking its own proteins and gradually destroys all the cartilage in your body. usually arthritis in the joints in the first symptom, but as the disease progresses the sufferers' ears and nose can implode in on themselves. patients often die when their blood vessels and heart valves lose their structural integrity, or when the rings of cartilage that hold the trachea open degrade and the trachea collapses. why does it happen? nobody knows! That’s p dope, in a terrible way.
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Pvt.Scott posted:I’m not sure how many trans service members there were in the 80s and 90s, or even the early aughts. I think my dad retired in 2002, maybe?
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Oldstench posted:Graham Linehan Please don’t confuse the fantastic Christopher Morris with the douchebag Graham Lineham. Graham just took a joke from Brass Eye.
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I’m unnerved by having 2010-era GiP flashbacks from Slip’s posting  But for real real, a TSA employee jumped to their death at Orlando International Airport. Gotta keep our borders safe by breaking the spirits of our security officers!
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Busket Posket posted:I’m unnerved by having 2010-era GiP flashbacks from Slip’s posting I never died, I just went underground for a while I need to come shitpost in GiP again.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The irony of that is that part of the motivation for the school lunch program in the first place was the military bitching that they couldn't find big enough recruits. Kids growing up without enough to eat grew up small and thin which didn't make for good soldiers. On the brighter side, remarkably tough to hit Leavemywife posted:Best part of that article right there, hands down. It's not the good kind of lusting for death like goons do. It's the weird, creepy and policy-influencing christian death cultists Milo and POTUS has a new favorite as of 06:20 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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This wasn't what spooked me, but in the article they mentioned someone hacking a news station and sending out an alert that "dead bodies are rising from their graves". I don't know why that image grabbed me, but once you know about modern embalming (wiring jaws shut, stuffing the body cavity with sawdust, put them in a nice outfit and do their makeup) it's far more unsettling than the typical rotten movie zombie. That'd be a far more innovative avenue for horror--imagine a thump at your door in the evening, an older man in a dark blue suit. He seems disoriented. You turn on the porch light, and he's got a waxy look to his skin, a little bit of powder in his white hair. The light draws his attention--that's when you notice the stitching along his neck and strings of silver across his lips. He slumps into your door again with his shoulder, a little more forcefully. You look over his head and see, across the street, the outline of a woman dressed in her Sunday best. She's moving slowly in her chunky-heeled shoes, swollen ankles wobbling, toward your neighbor's house. The man at the door is looking back at you. THUMP. Although I can cynically fill in the ellipses on that  aliens message: “The space program made contact with [budget cuts]. [The sociopaths in charge of the US government] are not what they claim to be. They have infiltrated a lot of, uh, a lot of aspects of military establishment, particularly Area 51. The disasters that are coming [because we've turned earth into a trash planet]—the military—I’m sorry the government knows about them...” (I too am sorry that the government knows the military exists because they're hella using it wrong)
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Slippery posted:I never died, I just went underground for a while Glad you’re back, Old Man Slip 
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Jr. posted:This wasn't what spooked me, but in the article they mentioned someone hacking a news station and sending out an alert that "dead bodies are rising from their graves". I don't know why that image grabbed me, but once you know about modern embalming (wiring jaws shut, stuffing the body cavity with sawdust, put them in a nice outfit and do their makeup) it's far more unsettling than the typical rotten movie zombie. Zombies that can't eat brains...poor guys
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Please don’t confuse the fantastic Christopher Morris with the douchebag Graham Lineham. Graham just took a joke from Brass Eye. I think Linehan worked on the writing team for Brass Eye so it might be self plagiariasm.
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Relevant because I still find it unnerving, that call is pulled from an Art Bell call that was one of the best conspiracy pieces I've heard. Most people in this thread have probably heard it, but it's just that good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3bld4lTG0 Jr. posted:This wasn't what spooked me, but in the article they mentioned someone hacking a news station and sending out an alert that "dead bodies are rising from their graves". I don't know why that image grabbed me, but once you know about modern embalming (wiring jaws shut, stuffing the body cavity with sawdust, put them in a nice outfit and do their makeup) it's far more unsettling than the typical rotten movie zombie. I can't find it now, but if I recall that on-air hijacking was accompanied by a background image pulled from the Red Dead Redemption cover or something. It greatly diminished it. Dr.Caligari has a new favorite as of 17:54 on Feb 3, 2019 |
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Jr. posted:This wasn't what spooked me, but in the article they mentioned someone hacking a news station and sending out an alert that "dead bodies are rising from their graves". I don't know why that image grabbed me, but once you know about modern embalming (wiring jaws shut, stuffing the body cavity with sawdust, put them in a nice outfit and do their makeup) it's far more unsettling than the typical rotten movie zombie. Imagine a suit that looks like an open hospital gown.
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Dr.Caligari posted:Relevant because I still find it unnerving, that call is pulled from an Art Bell call that was one of the best conspiracy pieces I've heard. Most people in this thread have probably heard it, but it's just that good. I heard this live as a 11 year old and it scared the poo poo out of me.
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Busket Posket posted:Glad you’re back, Old Man Slip Awww, thanks! Missed y'all
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cloudchamber posted:I think Linehan worked on the writing team for Brass Eye so it might be self plagiariasm. That would make sense. Linehan did have his fingers in most UK comedy shows at the time. See also Alan Partridge.
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Jr. posted:This wasn't what spooked me, but in the article they mentioned someone hacking a news station and sending out an alert that "dead bodies are rising from their graves". I don't know why that image grabbed me, but once you know about modern embalming (wiring jaws shut, stuffing the body cavity with sawdust, put them in a nice outfit and do their makeup) it's far more unsettling than the typical rotten movie zombie. my zombie movie would just have zombies not able to move after a certain amount of time,rotted legs and tendons can't hold weight. So you'd just have streets full of zombies lying around,i guess you could still have them bite like an instinctual thing.
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Someone really needs to look into this judge. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article225016850.html quote:the judge opined that the girls, who were both younger than 15, were partly to blame for what happened and questioned how much they were harmed. The judge pointed out that the children went to Soden’s house voluntarily and didn’t appear in court when he was sentenced.
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Sarcopenia posted:Someone really needs to look into this judge. Rape victims don't want to see their accuser in court? Must mean they're the aggressors here! Judge wants to give repeat chomo a little less than six of the 14 years for statutory rape? Fine, give the balance to the judge for accessory after the fact. The law doesn't work that way? Who cares, the judge is apparently as ignorant of it as I am.
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Stairs posted:And don't forget that the man in the suit is bare rear end naked in the back because the Funeral Home slit the clothes up the back and dressed him like making a bed. true horror of the apocalypse: saggy old man rear end
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cash crab posted:true horror of the apocalypse: saggy old man rear end Thanks to rigor mortis, those cheeks should be taut as a drum.
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Sarcopenia posted:Someone really needs to look into this judge. quote:At the sentencing hearing, the judge said he was “pretty familiar” with the girls already and that, based on what he knew about them, he believed it was possible that they could have set Soden up to be robbed. 
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"Down The Rabbit Hole I Go": How A Young Woman Followed Two Hackers' Lies To Her Deathquote:In a jailhouse interview with BuzzFeed News, Woody offered a preposterously vague story. He said he was “at the mall” when his girlfriend was killed — though it was unclear how he knew when she had been killed. “I carried the box with one other person,” he said. “I did not know what was in the box. All I know is I loaded a box into the back of an SUV.” He didn’t ask the other person where the box came from. He didn’t ask questions about the suspicious weight of the box because, he said, “I don’t know what a body feels like.” Asked who killed Masters, Woody said he didn’t know, but added, “It would be the person that was carrying the box. The other person that was carrying the box”: Islam.
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