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You really do get a lot less information in the original, or at least the information is less spread out. In the remake you know it's a coven of witches within like the first 15 minutes, that's more of a last act reveal in the original. I didn't like the remake all that much, I thought it was just ok. A few standout moments, and I thought Dakota Johnson was a very good lead, but in the end there wasn't enough there to justify its existence imo. That finale did make a pretty strong last impression though, I'll give it that.
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Yeah the Suspiria remake is very different than the original and both are really good for different reasons.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:43
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Italian horror is generally nonsensical and bad. I'll take my beating now.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:47
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Suspiria is actually very sensical it just holds the answers hostage for a very long time.
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Every time I get into the Italian horror discussion someone convinces me to watch Italian horror and every time I've just been disappointed. Suspira (the original) has very pretty colors. That's really all I can like about it.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:53
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Untrustable posted:Italian horror is generally nonsensical and bad. I'll take my beating now. The new thread managed to stay relatively poser-free for so long....
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Feb 6, 2019 14:56
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Untrustable posted:Italian horror is generally nonsensical and bad. Excellent post/username combo.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:02
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Untrustable posted:Every time I get into the Italian horror discussion someone convinces me to watch Italian horror and every time I've just been disappointed. Suspira (the original) has very pretty colors. That's really all I can like about it. I DO think you're opinion is bad and that you should be ashamed of it, but Italian horror is a pretty specific style so I'm not sure there's anything to be done about your shameful opinion.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:07
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There's the specific genre of giallo but otherwise Italian horror is just horror. I mean you have the exploitation films of the 70s and 80s but you also have some very well.made films like Fulci etc..
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Feb 6, 2019 15:14
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I remember someone making a very good point about many Giallo were cut for content when sent overseas, "Creepers" being a quintessential example.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:15
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A lot of Italian horror has a tenuous relationship with reality (often to its benefit, in my opinion), but what's nonsensical about Suspiria? It's a haunted house movie with witches instead of ghosts.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:17
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Lurdiak posted:Suspiria is actually very sensical it just holds the answers hostage for a very long time. Can you help me out a bit? Something about a group of witches that try to let their "leader" live on through being transferred to another body and somehow dancing is needed? I had a difficult time grasping the story and really feel I missed something. Like I mentioned, I generally really enjoy vague / non-sensical movies (apologies for not being able to articulate that properly), but I couldn't get into this one. Maybe the Original will, though. I got vibes from Black Swan and Mother!, both movies I really liked.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:19
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Hollismason posted:There's the specific genre of giallo but otherwise Italian horror is just horror. I mean you have the exploitation films of the 70s and 80s but you also have some very well.made films like Fulci etc.. When Italian horror is discussed, typically I assume we're talking the main Mount Rushmore guys, so Argento, Bava, and Fulci(we always debate who the fourth should be). And all three made films that are a lot looser in construction(in terms of plot) than the average American slasher that most of us grew up with. Acht posted:Can you help me out a bit? It's funny how when people doubt their own ability to understand a film they usually have it mostly correct already. The dancing is part of whatever arcane ritual they're performing, but yea the specific mechanics of how it works aren't really important. But we're shown that they use the dancing as a conduit for magic earlier in the film when the intense movements of Suzie's dancing actually kill someone. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Feb 6, 2019 15:20
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Basebf555 posted:the main Mount Rushmore guys, so Argento, Bava, and Fulci(we always debate who the fourth should be) I feel like the only real possibilities are Martino and Deodato. You could make cases for Lenzi or D'Amato, but... you shouldn't.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:28
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Clearly it should be Bruno Mattei.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:30
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sethsez posted:I feel like the only real possibilities are Martino and Deodato. Soavi
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Untrustable posted:Italian horror is generally nonsensical and bad. I'll take my beating now.
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Liberal Idiot posted:Clearly it should be Bruno Mattei. Mattei, Fragasso and D'Amato are hellworld's Italian Horror Mount Rushmore. Also I can't believe I forgot Soavi. Though he was far less prolific than the others, and wasn't really a part of the Italian horror boom in the same way the others were. sethsez fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Basebf555 posted:It's funny how when people doubt their own ability to understand a film they usually have it mostly correct already. The dancing is part of whatever arcane ritual they're performing, but yea the specific mechanics of how it works aren't really important. But we're shown that they use the dancing as a conduit for magic earlier in the film when the intense movements of Suzie's dancing actually kill someone. Yeah, I'm actually a bit annoyed by myself and my own questions, believe me.  It just feels a bit hollow, but maybe that's why the original will be better (more mystical, keeps the sense of dread going longer). Remember I have yet to see the original, so I'll compare! Maybe I was hyped to see something really special and unique and the remake is just not that. That's what confused me and made me feel I missed something. It could also be that it is just not my cup of tea, but I'll probably be able to check that once I've seen the other.
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Acht posted:Maybe I was hyped to see something really special and unique and the remake is just not that. That's what confused me and made me feel I missed something. It could also be that it is just not my cup of tea, but I'll probably be able to check that once I've seen the other. The original absolutely has much more of a unique, dreamlike feel to it, and that's clear immediately right from the opening scene at the airport and in her initial cab ride to the school(don't worry, the fact that she arrives at an airport isn't a spoiler!). The remake was going for a different tone entirely and its much less interesting as a result, at least that's the way I felt about it on first viewing. sethsez posted:Also I can't believe I forgot Soavi. Though he was far less prolific than the others, and wasn't really a part of the Italian horror boom in the same way the others were. Yea that's what holds him back from being an obvious choice, but he's my personal pick because I really am not a Martino guy. I think he's pretty overrated actually.
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For the record whenever I talk about Suspiria I mean the original because I have not seen the new one. I couldn't tell you how much sense that one makes.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:39
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Basebf555 posted:Yea that's what holds him back from being an obvious choice, but he's my personal pick because I really am not a Martino guy. I think he's pretty overrated actually. The only Martino films I really love are The Strange Vice of Mrs Wardh, All the Colors of the Dark, and Torso. His other gialli are fine but nothing amazing, and outside of gialli he was pretty awful, but I love those three movies so much (Mrs Wardh in particular) that he still manages to rank #4 for me (and if I'm totally honest, I like Wardh far more than anything I've seen from Bava).
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Feb 6, 2019 15:48
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The fourth head on Mt Italian Horrormore should obvs be the little puppet demon from Demons 2.
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Drunkboxer posted:The fourth head on Mt Italian Horrormore should obvs be I completely agree.
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Sorry but no, I don't want Lamberto anywhere near my Mount Rushmore.
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Acht posted:Late, but I watched the new Suspiria yesterday. Any help on what I just watched? I was mostly bored and act 6 didn't really change that much. Is the original a lot better / different? Basically, Nuspiria takes a very basic element of the plot of the first film - it's set in a dance academy in West Berlin in the late-'70s - and instead of treating this as just superficial content which is tangential to the narrative, takes the socio-political backdrop of that moment as informing the horror of the film. You should see Argento's original, but in terms of getting where Nuspiria is coming from, you're better off acquainting yourself with aspects of the Cold War as they apply specifically to Germany, concentrating particularly on the Red Autumn of '77. 7 Days in Entebbe is an essential companion piece to Nuspiria. For something a little more dense I'd recommend The Schleyer Tape from 1979, which is a two-part found footage documentary comprised entirely of television materials that the director collected between '77 and '78. You can watch the whole thing for free on UbuWeb: http://www.ubu.com/film/bruch_schleyer.html
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sethsez posted:You could make cases for Lenzi or D'Amato, but... you shouldn't. I....I wish I didn't feel compelled to. I mean not many directors can say they have Blue Holocaust, Zombie Holocaust, Porno Holocaust, AND two Ator movies under their belt. Like you can talk about how "good" they are or not but if that stuff isn't peak grindhouse Italian movie I don't know what is.
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Feb 6, 2019 16:32
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Das Schleyer-Band is a pro rear end watch.
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Neo Rasa posted:I....I wish I didn't feel compelled to. I mean not many directors can say they have Blue Holocaust, Zombie Holocaust, Porno Holocaust, AND two Ator movies under their belt. Like you can talk about how "good" they are or not but if that stuff isn't peak grindhouse Italian movie I don't know what is. Now that’s a title.
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There's no way it could but Porno Holocaust definitely does not live up to its title.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There's no way it could but Porno Holocaust definitely does not live up to its title. Perfect fodder for a remake then.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There's no way it could but Porno Holocaust definitely does not live up to its title. They flew too close to the sun thinking just having George Eastman there would make it awesome like he did with almost everything else he's ever been in. IIRC Porno Holocaust was literally filmed in a couple of days at the same time as Zombie Holocaust.  Joe D'Amato's movie titles are amazing even by the Italian trash or/and porn movie title standards of the time and in the 90s when he was doing porn regularly again: 2020 Texas Gladiators Anthropophagus: The Grim Reaper Death Smiles on a Murderer The Devil's Wedding Night Endgame: Last Bronx Erotic Nights of the Living Dead Frankenstein 2000: Return of the Dead God is My Colt .45 Heroes in Hell House of Anal Perversions Orgasmo Nero Paprika: The Last Italian Whore
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Franchescanado posted:I completely agree. Billy Idol? What cut of the movie were you watching?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTeXBTStek0
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King Vidiot posted:Billy Idol? What cut of the movie were you watching? drat, you caught me. I know that Billy Idol plays when the punks are driving around, and I know another song pops up at a different time. But you caught me. 
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American Horror Rushmore Carpenter , Romero , Craven , and Raimi? I dunno of a good fourth one.
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Rob Zombie. Just kidding. sorta Real answer is probably Hooper.
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Hollismason posted:American Horror Rushmore Hooper is a good answer, but I think there's room to argue for De Palma, with four solid classic horror films from the 70's. Or maybe it's time to give credit to James Whale instead of only names from New Faces of Horror generation introduced in the late 60's through mid-70's.
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Franchescanado posted:Hooper is a good answer, but I think there's room to argue for De Palma, with four solid classic horror films from the 70's. I would definitely say Whale if he counts as American, which I’m not sure is fair. e: I mean if you count him because he worked in America you should count Hitchcock too.
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Drunkboxer posted:I would definitely say Whale if he counts as American, which I’m not sure is fair. drat. Then maybe he belongs on the British Rushmore. I also thought of Hitchcock, but I decided he'd also stand better on the British Rushmore.
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Basebf555 posted:Rob Zombie. Just kidding. sorta Yeah my personal one would be Carpenter, Romero, Raimi, and Hooper on it.
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