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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Reading Dragonlance? What, Drizz Do'Urden is too hoity-toity for you? Nah gently caress that Uncle Torm
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I have a bookstore recommendation, if you are ever passing through southern ct and have some time to kill stop by the book barn, a massive and cool used bookstore with 4 different locations throughout the town of niantic, split up by genre/subject etc. and they have cats and goats to pet too! I think they have some turtles at the downtown store also
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Labes for days posted:I still don’t understand why some people hate genre fiction. It’s nice to couch conflict in things that don’t exist like elves and spaceships, as a reprieve from atrocities my own species has invariably committed at some point in its existence. Because it is universally badly written. You can go see a sci-fi movie and reasonably expect it to be good. If you read a sci-fi novel and expect it to be good, you are a rube and a fool for whom ceilings are floors and windows are doors
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Labes for days posted:I still don’t understand why some people hate genre fiction. It’s nice to couch conflict in things that don’t exist like elves and spaceships, as a reprieve from atrocities my own species has invariably committed at some point in its existence. mostly because despite freeing themselves from the bounds of realism to embrace all that can possibly be imagined, 99% of them manage to be the exact same book and it's not even a good one.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:eh fair enough I missed the Kwon mention in between all the screeching. Knausgaard is absolutely the kind of overplayed I'd expect someone to just pull off a Wikipedia list of Good Authors or something. Neither of them have any noteworthy relation to Le Guin's writing such that they'd be particularly comparable or a good rec for people who liked her, but you did name a name that wasn't a cliche. You are 100% confusing Knausgaard with someone else.
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99% of all art that’s ever been created is similar to everything else ever created though; I feel that’s a pretty poor reason to be angry at people for wanting to read about aliens.
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like his last book got translated less than six months ago.
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I've never heard of ursula leguin is OP. hope this helps
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The number one problem is that genre authors think that having an aliens or magic a book is exciting. But aliens and magic are only ever as exciting as the prose is. And genre authors can't write prose.
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Karl Ove Knausgaard, author of Autumn and My Struggle, is like the #1 guy most seen next to a smooth jazz compilation in a coffee shop and has been cooed over pretty much nonstop by NPR and the New York Times for years now
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Labes for days posted:99% of all art that’s ever been created is similar to everything else ever created though; I feel that’s a pretty poor reason to be angry at people for wanting to read about aliens. I’ve mentioned several sci fi books I like and I like a few others I’m not going to bring up because people need to read books without robots. Genre poo poo is fine every now and then,. Do not break your brain and want to gently caress astro from the jetsons.
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Feb 6, 2019 22:00
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curious what you guys think of jonathon strange & mr norrell
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Karl Ove Knausgaard, author of Autumn and My Struggle, is like the #1 guy most seen next to a smooth jazz compilation in a coffee shop and has been cooed over pretty much nonstop by NPR and the New York Times for years now Stop listening to npr and going to coffee shops you bourgeois fucker
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Movies are universally garbage for stupid idiots, designed to water down any original source into sloppy gruel for the mindless masses. And I'm not even going to mention so called "original" films, they are beneath contempt and deserve nothing but derision and spiteful laughter. If you think yourself an intelligent, well educated man, you should be reading books in their original language.
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Colonel Cancer posted:Movies are universally garbage for stupid idiots, designed to water down any original source into sloppy gruel for the mindless masses. And I'm not even going to mention so called "original" films, they are beneath contempt and deserve nothing but derision and spiteful laughter. extremely bad post
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Feb 6, 2019 22:04
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WatermelonGun posted:I’ve mentioned several sci fi books I like and I like a few others I’m not going to bring up because people need to read books without robots. Genre poo poo is fine every now and then,. Do not break your brain and want to gently caress astro from the jetsons. this is a reasonable sentiment, you should’ve just said that and skipped the pants jizzing patronizing posts. we can probably all agree that anyone who defines themselves with the media they consume sucks.
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Feb 6, 2019 22:05
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Written literature has been the biggest mistake humans have ever made. Stories used to be passed down orally and you were expected to get the details right. In our excess we’ve grown weak and slothful.
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WatermelonGun posted:extremely bad post Don't sign your posts, you intellectual midget.
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christmas boots posted:Written literature has been the biggest mistake humans have ever made. Stories used to be passed down orally and you were expected to get the details right. In our excess we’ve grown weak and slothful. agreed, I exclusively read incan khipu for just those reasons.
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christmas boots posted:passed down orally free hubcaps posted:I exclusively read 
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Sometimes I really like the premise or idea behind a story but the prose just never GRABS me. Because of how school "taught" me to relate to books, I've slogged through poo poo I didn't enjoy just to say I did it. It's a shame a large part of our relationship to books through education is the feeling of being forced to read a book that doesn't interest you and sort of feeling like this is how you're supposed to relate to books: somewhat contemptuously. This was alleviated somewhat in college, but I feel like the damage is done. By high school, if you haven't developed healthy reading habits, you can easily associate reading with homework, rather than pleasure. While I read for enjoyment when I was younger, I stopped at some point, probably when class assigned reading overtook it. I never developed a 'habit' of continually having a book to be reading, which I feel like is a mistake. Just variety in entertainment, really. For a while there, I thought maybe the internet broke my brain and I couldn't "read books" anymore cause I'd get distracted, but it turns out I was just reading poo poo that didn't click with me, who would've thought. I devoured two books in one day at one point and went "oh." Anyway, I think genre is fine. It's like any media and 90% of it sucks.
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christmas boots posted:Written literature has been the biggest mistake humans have ever made. Stories used to be passed down orally and you were expected to get the details right. In our excess we’ve grown weak and slothful. Barthes once quoted another author who wrote something like “writing is the act of killing language and literature is its corpse” but I originally read it in Serbian and googling the quote in English only finds results about olds worried about texting so I don’t know who originally wrote it but it’s a drat clever quote and I kind of lost my train of thought here
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Barthes once quoted another author who wrote something like “writing is the act of killing language and literature is its corpse” but I originally read it in Serbian and googling the quote in English only finds results about olds worried about texting so I don’t know who originally wrote it but it’s a drat clever quote and I kind of lost my train of thought here any cool Balkan authors who aren’t translated/are really obscure we should know about?
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it’s been a long time but I took a class with gary urton years ago and iirc he postulates that khipu were used as a sort of narrative aid in oral storytelling traditions among the inca and other Andean peoples, in addition to recording numerical data
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free hubcaps posted:any cool Balkan authors who aren’t translated/are really obscure we should know about? I know the Croatian contemporary lit scene well and I would always recommend Zoran Ferić who is really a master of the short story. Edo Popović is also very good, he writes melancholy introspective prose about, for a lack of a better description, themes of spirituality vs materialism. Renato Baretić is funny. Kristian Novak is the new hotness. I’m planning to pick up both of his novels soon and read them for the booklord challenge in TBB. Predrag Matvejević is probably not obscure at all, but deserves a mention. His Mediterranean: A Cultural Landscape is on par with similar cultural histories written by much more famous authors. I don’t know whether he counts as obscure, but Borislav Pekić is my favorite Serbian writer. Danilo Kiš and Mirko Kovačić are also very good.
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While I like Pratchett, his biggest problem is the generic protagonists in the books that aren't about the wizards, witches or watch. They're pretty much interchangeable; I'd argue Victor, Pteppic, Mort, de Worde, Polly and Moist are the same character with slightly different traits. He finally got the character right with Moist by choosing "scheming conman" for those traits.
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Lots of great writers mentioned in this thread. Only reason LeGuin's even mentioned in the same breath is because shes one of the first sci fi chicks, has a hosed up name, and produces average (for sci fi) dreck. Shits weak.
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Can someone recommend me some good female protagonist genre stuff? My 14 year old daughter devoured the Mistborn series and asked if I had anything else like that, and specified female leads.
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The Dregs posted:Can someone recommend me some good female protagonist genre stuff? My 14 year old daughter devoured the Mistborn series and asked if I had anything else like that, and specified female leads. The malazan book of the fallen series has a shitton of female characters and is great. Most of the top end characters are women. Its more mature than mistborn though so not really a girl power type of book. Gods of blood and powder series is mainly a female protag series. The series its based on (that you don't need to read to understand this one) is more balanced. Quality adventure fantasy Citcon fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Feb 7, 2019 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The number one problem is that genre authors think that having an aliens or magic a book is exciting. Excuse me, we’re all here because LeGuin is extremely good at prose, and not just “ for a genre author.”
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Citcon posted:Lots of great writers mentioned in this thread. Only reason LeGuin's even mentioned in the same breath is because shes one of the first sci fi chicks, has a hosed up name, and produces average (for sci fi) dreck. Shits weak. Hahaha Get the gently caress out.
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Applewhite posted:Hahaha Sorry. I didn't think the books were very good. Forgettable at best which is why I think its weird they're still brought up over and over. Theres tons of great fantasy and sci fi out there to read.
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Citcon posted:The malazan book of the fallen series has a shitton of female characters and is great. Most of the top end characters are women. Its more mature than mistborn though so not really a girl power type of book. I think I remember Malazan being pretty heavy, but I'll check into it again. Never heard of the other. Thanks!
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feeling the love
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Citcon posted:Sorry. I didn't think the books were very good. Forgettable at best which is why I think its weird they're still brought up over and over. Uh, the Dispossessed is like the exact opposite of forgettable. Unless you're a god drat capitalist pig.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Uh, the Dispossessed is like the exact opposite of forgettable. Unless you're a god drat capitalist pig. Fantasy leftism is cliched, lazy and boring as gently caress. The definition of forgettable. At least read something like Iain Banks who does fantasy leftism competently.
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"one of the first sci-fi chicks" says brilliant academic who forgot modern science fiction was invented by a woman in 1818
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The best piece of genre fiction is “Red Army” by Ralph Peters, everyone knows this
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