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EvilMerlin posted:M855A1 from anything with 16" or better barrel I hear is a rather nasty fucker now that the kinks got worked out. it also allegedly eats feed ramps
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EvilMerlin posted:Really? All my dealings with them have always been about the payout. The Afghani's however are great people. I mean...sure there were assholes. There always are. But I genuinely enjoyed a lot of aspects of their culture, like their generosity as hosts.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, no worries and no need to apologize. I just mis-read your av and attached it to what I thought you were trying to convey. That makes sense. My avatar is the Hezbollah coat of arms tho which....wouldn't make much sense with that, lol! Attention to detail, and all that.
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Cyrano4747 posted:On a side note, the ACW is so loving wild for all the personal weapons that show up. Yeah, the government is going to be issuing you a gun. This probably isn't even theoretical, at least unless you're in the late war south or something. But what if it's a lovely gun? What if you want a nicer gun?
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Is there a case study or decently well-informed fictional depiction somewhere of how the gently caress besieging one and only one of the 30 parties living in a Ganerbenburg would have worked in practice? I cannot picture this at all. Like okay, I'm camped out in front of the proper two and a half arm's lengths of wall, but how does it work inside? Are the other guys not allowed to spot my enemy a turnip? How is that enforced when they're all sharing a kitchen? Is there a referee? The answer is lots of lawsuits, right?
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Fangz posted:I was making the point that there was a political angle to these discussions at the turn of the century and in particular in the case of the expanding bullets ban the defenses of the British delegation was (a) a long way away from modern arguments about penetrating interior walls etc, (b) connected to their uncomfortable political position amongst the other delegates. Relevant page:  Shimrra Jamaane posted:Throw down weapon? Is that the same as a drop gun? I had the same question.
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Cyrano4747 posted:What are you trying to argue? They didn't ratify in 1899 because they were worried about the implications that it would have for their colonial troops, and made arguments that covered both the racist angle (we need special bullets because black people are super humanly tough) and the legal angle (they're not fighting a declared war anyway). Everyone else thought it was a bad idea for even colonial soldiers to have them, not because it was cruel to the natives but because there was no guarantee that in the exigencies of war that ammo wouldn't be used against Europeans. The specific case of the Boers brought the issue to a head and, along with some of the naval problems surrounding poo poo like prize ships and neutrality rights raised with the Russo-Japanese War, helped prompt the 1907 conference. I am arguing exactly that. I don't know why you were giving the sense of Hague being a kumbayah where the Brits were in the majority when the British fought vociferously, opposing banning dum dums *even in wars between signatory powers*, resulting in that declaration passing 22-2. (The other vote against was the US) The fact that the British could legally continue to use these bullets against the zulus etc clearly did not reassure them enough to vote for the declaration. Another point is that the Hague convention included some of the 'savages' the British were likely thinking about - Persia, Japan and China were participants. Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Feb 13, 2019 |
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ulmont posted:I had the same question.
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HEY GUNS posted:have none of you heard the phrase "throwing down" for "fighting" (in Thalantos's post, the worst part of a fight) Sure, but never followed by "gun".
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Cyrano4747 posted:it also allegedly eats feed ramps Haven't used it enough to know yet...
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Thalantos posted:I mean...sure there were assholes. There always are. But I genuinely enjoyed a lot of aspects of their culture, like their generosity as hosts. Meh... I suppose.
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EvilMerlin posted:Meh... I suppose.
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Fangz posted:I am arguing exactly that. I don't know why you were giving the sense of Hague being a kumbayah where the Brits were in the majority when the British fought vociferously, I have no idea where you got that impression. I think we're arguing past each other and either you or I are badly misreading what the other is saying.
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ulmont posted:Sure, but never followed by "gun".
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Thalantos posted:What? ::Googles it:: What, like a new york reload? e: oh nvm I think I got it now. HEY GUNS posted:"a gun for the throw-down"? I also figured it for a drop gun 
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Milo and POTUS posted:What, like a new york reload?
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HEY GUNS posted:what's a new york reload? is that swapping cylinders in a revolver out instead of reloading the individual bullets It's when you switch to a backup weapon when your primary runs out of loaded ammo. Its.....kinda like that. We kept the ak in the back seat, our translator kept an eye on it, usually. My planned weapon useage and the order i planned to use them in if poo poo ever hit the fan were: M240b, then my m4/m203, then my m9, then the ak, then my knives, then my fists and teeth.
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HEY GUNS posted:the people who have never been anything but good to me are Turks. Salt of the earth. The Kurds. Holy poo poo I love these people.
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EvilMerlin posted:The Kurds. Holy poo poo I love these people. Kurds are the best  This is in Lincoln, UK
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Thirding that Kurd love! I absolutely LOVED the Kurds!
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I fondly remember listening to an old Kurdish man in a chippie telling two Greek tourists how great Greece is and what a load of garbage Turkey is
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Kurds are the best edit: also seven pounds is a great deal for a haircut HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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Thalantos posted:Thirding that Kurd love! They were the one group of people when I was with them, I knew I was safe and didn't have to worry about some blue on blue bullshittery. They watched out for us, just as well as we did for them. Which is why us abandoning them in Syria is loving stupid.
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HEY GUNS posted:what's a new york reload? is that swapping cylinders in a revolver out instead of reloading the individual bullets Dropping the gun and switching to another, John Woo style. Term is sourced to self-defense instructor/expert witness Massad Ayoob and refers to something the NYPD did back in the revolver days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7r8LWyW6xE
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HEY GUNS posted:the people who have never been anything but good to me are Turks. Salt of the earth. turks are good people in my experience
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C.M. Kruger posted:Dropping the gun and switching to another, John Woo style. Term is sourced to self-defense instructor/expert witness Massad Ayoob and refers to something the NYPD did back in the revolver days. Can we talk about how much cyf owns
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the seventeenth century may have been bad for even worse reasons than we thought originally https://twitter.com/RobGMacfarlane/status/1091034274348875776
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What's going to be bad is when that starts being used for ideas on combatting climate change.
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Stairmaster posted:What's going to be bad is when that starts being used for ideas on combatting climate change. Can't have mass refugee crises if everyone is already dead  !
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Stairmaster posted:What's going to be bad is when that starts being used for ideas on combatting climate change. I'm running for president on the classic JRPG Villain platform
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HEY GUNS posted:the seventeenth century may have been bad for even worse reasons than we thought originally Qapla'!
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that's cool, i hadn't seen those connected before apparently the very first english to show up in the new world recorded forests cleared of underbrush, like an english park, and the constant smell of smoke in the air from all the semi-controlled burnings the locals constantly did. then too many of them died and a couple decades later the next groups of english think they're in a loving primeval forest with sparse occurrences of noble savage edit: looks like this paper is describing agricultural societies, so maybe not connecting with the people who knew that when they burned the forest, fruits and berries would show up and it'd be easier to see their prey editedit: nm they do connect it to the fire stuff quote:In addition, the UCL team says the story fits with the records of charcoal and pollen deposits in the Americas. oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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zoux posted:Is there a currently existing bullet that would suck more to get shot with than say a 19th century Minie Ball .50 BMG? Not because of anything special about it, but just because it's huge and trucking along at an immense velocity and as a result is going to make a bloody big hole in you. Edit: I don't think a human is durable enough to trigger the fuse in a Raufoss round, but if they did it would presumably be even more unpleasant. The Lone Badger fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Feb 14, 2019 |
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The Lone Badger posted:.50 BMG? Not because of anything special about it, but just because it's huge and trucking along at an immense velocity and as a result is going to make a bloody big hole in you. I just might prefer the BMG bullet. The Minié ball starts larger it’s going to get bigger when it encounters resistance. Yeah the BMG bullet is somewhat heavier and moving twice as fast, but they’re both more than sufficient to go in one side and out the other, and if either of them is going to take a detour through some extra organs, it’s the Minié ball. The Kaiser had a point when he whined about trench shotguns.
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The Lone Badger posted:.50 BMG? Not because of anything special about it, but just because it's huge and trucking along at an immense velocity and as a result is going to make a bloody big hole in you. The .50BMG is travelling a lot faster and has a LOT more energy. It removes limbs outright....
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zoux posted:Is there a currently existing bullet that would suck more to get shot with than say a 19th century Minie Ball I imagine incendiary ammunition would be incredibly unfun to get shot by.
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EvilMerlin posted:The .50BMG is travelling a lot faster and has a LOT more energy. It removes limbs outright.... Only on a near miss though. 
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It's fine you just don't wear a belt buckle and you won't get shot. Don't hit!
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Fangz posted:I imagine incendiary ammunition would be incredibly unfun to get shot by. Especially if the round doesn't exit the body and is still ignited. The standard M62 7.62 NATO round can burn for up to 5 seconds (if I remember correctly).
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