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UmOk posted:I ordered the manga box set. Am I going to mess up my reading experience if I watch the movie first? As somebody that grew up reading the original manga, I think you'll be ok. In fact, I think coming to the manga after the movie will be nice to flesh out more of a film that has a lot crammed into 2 hours. Overall I liked this movie, though I suspect my love of the source material is helping me overlook some flaws. I've thought about this & I think I want any sequel to be a Netflix/Hulu/streaming series. Blow it out & get into a lot of the world.
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I just watched this in 3D in Santiago, Chile. (I saw it in 3D because that was the only subtitled showing available, the rest were dubbed). I was a fan of the manga, but it has been some years since I read it. I liked this movie. Even when I saw the obvious problems, I liked it. Some of the writing was pretty corny. One thing I was surprised about was how much Scrap Iron City was lightened up and made more cheerful.. And especially in the first opening scenes, when we are meeting Alita and Hugo, it feels like a typical teen movie, where the innocent "new girl in town" meets the bad boys from the wrong side of the tracks, who her father warns her about. Then she tries out for the local sports team, shows her toughness, and gets accepted. That part feels like it came from a different genre. Then, of course, it does get more into the dystopian/cyberpunk side of things, with robots slicing each other up unrealistically. There is a lot of plot elements introduced, perhaps the problem with adapting an episodic manga into a feature film. I think that for me, even though some of the feel of the movie might seem a little light at first Alita really likes chocolate!, but it kind of brings a point front and center that was hidden in the grimness and grittiness of the manga: Alita is humane. And a lot of that comes across in the movie. The movie had some silliness in it, but it leaned into the silliness until we had no choice but to believe and accept it.
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I take back all my initial grumblings. The movie owned. Rosa Salazar as Alita owned. She was super charismatic, and I'm all  at how well she was able to translate Alita on the big screen. Everything about her was so good. Overall this poo poo was unabashedly anime as gently caress and I adored the film for it. Solid acting from a really good cast that plays the absurdity of everything straight and it works so well. I was too early to judge the aesthetic of the film too; everything looked great. And as a dude who thought implementing motorball into the narrative this early was a mistake, yeah, Ima eat crow. I loved it, and now I want more of it. I liked how it was weaved into the story, but didn't take up much of the plot. That was my initial worry, that'd it big some big part of the film. It wasn't too meaty at all, and worked out perfectly as a framing device. But yeah, I was grinning like an idiot at the end, where Cameron and co had worked in the announcer yelling out "Alita" emphatically during her intro at the champion race. [edit] Also, all the action was super clean. Some of the best in the last few years for sure. The bar fight had me grinning like an idiot too. teagone fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Feb 15, 2019 00:04
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glowing-fish posted:I just watched this in 3D in Santiago, Chile. (I saw it in 3D because that was the only subtitled showing available, the rest were dubbed). I was a fan of the manga, but it has been some years since I read it.
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Feb 15, 2019 00:25
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glowing-fish posted:Some of the writing was pretty corny. That's basically Cameron. And I thought the audience perception of Scrap Iron City worked as reflection of how Alita sees the world at first, and how she was developing as a character in it. Naive, cheery, and lighthearted that eventually reveals a darker underbelly of complicated and violent truths.
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As someone who worked on this movie (all I did was plug in wires, no creative role at all) I can't express how good it makes me feel that the initial reactions have been so positive. I really, really hope it does well enough to make the sequels (especially since Iron City is basically a permanent installation on our lot). It's pretty surreal. e: teagone posted:The bar fight had me grinning like an idiot too. This was the funnest scene to watch getting filmed and had me grinning like an idiot too. I haven't even seen the finished product yet, waiting for this weekend. Super loving stoked. CheddarGoblin fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Feb 15, 2019 00:58
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Tekne posted:Zazie Beetz could play Zazie. Hmm but who will mocap the giant nanomachine penis monster from mercury?
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So, just throwing this out there as someone who has only read the manga... What happens with Hugo in the movie? Is it the same as in the book or not even close?
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Tekne posted:Andy Serkis cant wait for the behind the scenes footage
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Stryder posted:So, just throwing this out there as someone who has only read the manga... What happens with Hugo in the movie? Is it the same as in the book or not even close? Similar, for the most part. The film plays up the romance between him and Alita way more. His motivation remains the same; to get to Zalem, and is saving up credits to get there, working for Vector. He still ends up a full cyborg by the end and tries to climb up to Zalem and dies, if that's what you were more concerned with.
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teagone posted:That's basically Cameron. And I thought the audience perception of Scrap Iron City worked as reflection of how Alita sees the world at first, and how she was developing as a character in it. Naive, cheery, and lighthearted that eventually reveals a darker underbelly of complicated and violent truths. Yeah, like how she immediately suspects Ido is a Ripper-type early on, it felt very intentional to demonstrate to the audience that behaviour really is a reflection of experience/trauma/etc, and without the memory of those things you basically are childlike and awestruck, even if you're 300 years old teagone posted:I take back all my initial grumblings. The movie owned. Rosa Salazar as Alita owned. She was super charismatic, and I'm all  I gotta say, I didn't watch any of the other trailers...but that first teaser that dropped way back, it had me. I felt the hook in my side for some reason and kept the faith. And that underground fight scene was the heart of the movie to me. Like after the dog was killed in such a comically anime way and the music kicked up and she spoke the anime mantra while wiping blood under her eye I was basically like "IT'S ON!"...and then she did the one-arm chopstab and uttered the single contractually allowed "gently caress" of the film and I definitely clapped. But looking back at that first teaser, all the ingredients are there, it still gets me. I want an extended edition. And even though this is the only good film property Cameron has contributed to in the last quarter of a century...I hope he stays on and produces or directs a sequel, because it wouldn't have happened without him.
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So Big Eyes Small Robot was awesome!
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teagone posted:Similar, for the most part. The film plays up the romance between him and Alita way more. His motivation remains the same; to get to Zalem, and is saving up credits to get there, working for Vector. He still ends up a full cyborg by the end and tries to climb up to Zalem and dies, if that's what you were more concerned with. That's exactly what I was wondering. A lot of other reviews mention the "budding romance" between him and Alita but not one mention of stealing spinal cords or Alita carrying around his severed head hooked up to her own body.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I gotta say, I didn't watch any of the other trailers...but that first teaser that dropped way back, it had me. I felt the hook in my side for some reason and kept the faith. My history with this Battle Angel movie has been a tumultuous one. I was excited how many ever the gently caress years ago when I learned Cameron was going to direct a live-action Battle Angel movie, an anime OVA that a cousin of mine introduced me to when I was like 12 I think. Aliens and T2 were my favorite movies as a kid, and I loved the OVA. After reading the manga several years later, I couldn't have been more excited to see what one of my favorite directors was going to do with the property. Then years went on with no Battle Angel movie in sight, even more so after Avatar's release. Then Cameron hands over the project to Robert Rodriguez and my expectations for the adaptation immediately bottomed out. Rosa Salazar was cast, and I didn't know anything about her except that I didn't think she would be good as Alita. After the first teaser, I remember sorta digging it? But I wasn't fully sold, especially on the eyes. I eventually warmed up to Alita's design, but I wavered a lot between thinking the film looked middling and it looked alright after watching the teaser a few times over. After every subsequent trailer and clip my hype went slightly up, and then back down the more I thought about what could have been if Cameron or someone else was directing it. Then those first tepid reviews came out, and I was all doom and gloom lmao. After seeing the movie earlier today, I couldn't be happier with the film. [edit] Stryder posted:That's exactly what I was wondering. A lot of other reviews mention the "budding romance" between him and Alita but not one mention of stealing spinal cords or Alita carrying around his severed head hooked up to her own body. Ahh. Yep, all that basically happens. I figure they don't mention that in reviews because it's a bigger spoiler, heh. teagone fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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One thing I was really happy to see was Zapan getting his face sliced off, but not killing him. Sets up for a sequel when he gains control of Akita's berserker body & going 
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Game over everyone, Polygon says it's a flop that was unable to find an audience. 
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I'm normally a Polygon defender because of the video content, but -- yeah. It's not even a review of the movie! A bad review I wouldn't necessarily comment on; It's a thinkpiece about BA's box office failure. Which... hasn't happened yet? I mean, I don't have a HUGE amount of hope it does great domestically (even if I'm rooting for it hard), but even with that said I don't think a movie's opening night is a good time to say it's already tanked.
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SHAOLIN FUCKFIEND posted:Hmm but who will mocap the giant nanomachine penis monster from mercury? Legit one of my favorite bits of last order, which has a lot of good bits. a grey goo scenario gone especially wrong on mercury leading to the completely covered planet developing an animalistic hive mind and eventually deciding it needs to contact the outside civilizations so it sends a nanomachine monster entirely comprised of id and animalistic desire was a really absurd but interesting take on it Every bit of transhumanism in last order was some of my favorite ever, period. The venusians and Jupiter...ians? were immensely creative/abhorrent and I loved it
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NmareBfly posted:I mean, I don't have a HUGE amount of hope it does great domestically (even if I'm rooting for it hard), but even with that said I don't think a movie's opening night is a good time to say it's already tanked. Agreed. And yeah, even as much as I enjoyed the movie, I feel like its domestic box office take will probably be relatively low. Unless WOM goes viral or something, since audiences seem to be enjoying it. I think it'll do great overseas though, for sure. teagone fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Kassad posted:Rosa Salazar but this time the CGI gives her an androgynous look?
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CheddarGoblin posted:This was the funnest scene to watch getting filmed and had me grinning like an idiot too. I haven't even seen the finished product yet, waiting for this weekend. Super loving stoked. You're in for a treat!
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people who have seen the movie and read the comics: does Alita's boyfriend bite it in the movie?
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NecroMonster posted:people who have seen the movie and read the comics: does Alita's boyfriend bite it in the movie?
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NecroMonster posted:people who have seen the movie and read the comics: does Alita's boyfriend bite it in the movie? It's pretty much exactly the same as are all the main beats. Only difference is making motorball the central plot and apparently maybe changing the Tiphareans, really.
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Android Apocalypse posted:
I haven't read the manga but this is also my take after seeing the movie.
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I really was surprised at how much I enjoyed motorball being the main narrative component supporting the bulk of the story. Deffo thought it wouldn't have worked, but it was done so well and just makes sense in the movie. Never should have doubted Cameron.
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I never read the manga, but I was on board when I saw the first trailer and Rodriguez directing. It definitely did not disappoint! Really great action, and Rosa Salazar was fantastic. I don't know how it will fare at the B.O. (Deadline was tracking a $30M opener), but I hope WOM. gets out to give it some legs. I might go see it again.
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This is an...interesting divide:
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NmareBfly posted:I'm normally a Polygon defender because of the video content, but -- yeah. It's not even a review of the movie! A bad review I wouldn't necessarily comment on; It's a thinkpiece about BA's box office failure. Which... hasn't happened yet? IT seems a little early, but they're most likely not wrong. Box Office Mojo, who are normally pretty great with their estimates, are forecasting a sub $30M four day weekend. Apparently the $2.4M the movie was said to have made on Wednesday included the Tuesday fan screenings. The film feels like it's heading the way of Speed Racer.
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That Italian Guy posted:This is an...interesting divide: Mind you, before the sneak previews we're even out, it was at 31%, largely from the reviewers who just watched the trailer. It went up 30 points in a week.
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Toshimo posted:Mind you, before the sneak previews we're even out, it was at 31%, largely from the reviewers who just watched the trailer. It went up 30 points in a week. Also holy poo poo, this movie has 7.6 on Imdb 
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Cameron gets into deep-sea exploration after The Abyss & Titanic, which in turn helps foster development in that field. Does the same with prosthetics after Alita: Battle Angel. I wonder what science field he'll inspire next. Edit: That Italian Guy posted:Also holy poo poo, this movie has 7.6 on Imdb Honestly that rating seems right to me. I still hope it does well enough to warrant more stories from that world. Android Apocalypse fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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Android Apocalypse posted:Cameron gets into deep-sea exploration after The Abyss & Titanic, which in turn helps foster development in that field. Does the same with prosthetics after Alita: Battle Angel. I mean, it feels right to me as well, but Imdb has historically been very cold to sci-fi/action movies (unless that is no longer true...to be honest, I haven't checked IMDB ratings in a while, but it used to be the case).
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Saw it last night. Loved it. I was completely unfamiliar with Battle Angel Alita's source material going in. Partway through I realized just how much inspiration Metal Gear Solid 4/Rising took from BAA. Pulling peoples heads/spines out and putting them in new cyborg bodies, the electric blade, even the brains being kept alive in a jar of liquid! It's basically a Metal Gear Rising movie.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Cameron gets into deep-sea exploration after The Abyss & Titanic, which in turn helps foster development in that field. Does the same with prosthetics after Alita: Battle Angel. James Cameron makes a space movie and becomes a better Elon Musk. Seeing it today with the girlfriend, and I am so pumped!! 
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Imagine a world if Cameron truly pushed for better environmental care after Avatar. Or direct neural linking between individuals.
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teagone posted:I really was surprised at how much I enjoyed motorball being the main narrative component supporting the bulk of the story. Deffo thought it wouldn't have worked, but it was done so well and just makes sense in the movie. Never should have doubted Cameron. I'm glad that motorball is in the movie. During my second watch last night, everyone was cheering at that segment. It a crowd pleasure that's for sure.
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