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I feel like they're going to really start exploring the issue of intractable differences between people and culture, existing in the same space. Using Klyden, who's really holding up the moclan ways, and Bortus who's becoming increasingly 'woke', to display it on a smaller human scale in the midst of the bigger conflicting interests of moclans and other union races.
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I think they're doing a slow burn to a war with the Moclans. And how wonderful is it that this entire season has featured no real pew pew battles but just people dealing with poo poo in space. I love it!
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Just watched the last episode and holy gently caress that was such a good goddamn episode. I can't even begin to gush, it's just... I loving got CHILLS when Bortus raised his voice. God drat what a good loving show.
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PT6A posted:Question: Honestly? I would say lower the lighting, do more fast cuts, have a season long arc, have a crew member betray everyone, and don't let Seth appear on camera.
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I...kinda see where they're coming from. I'm not sure what's missing exactly, but this entire season has felt really low-impact. It's been mostly just interpersonal drama set on a starship instead of an apartment in New York or something. I've enjoyed it for the most part, but yeah, just about every episode has felt like filler so far. Sometimes the filler is fun to watch, but still. Have they tackled a single neat sci-fi concept this year? I suppose the idiot constellation planet kinda counts, but it wasn't as compelling as even the idiot social media planet from last season.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:So basically another progressive/liberal entity rolling over its own values to preserve something probably not worth saving. Moclus is just like the Union's "Saudi Arabia": nothing about the cultural values line up at all, but holy poo poo do you want them on your side and not against.
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Phenotype posted:I...kinda see where they're coming from. I'm not sure what's missing exactly, but this entire season has felt really low-impact. It's been mostly just interpersonal drama set on a starship instead of an apartment in New York or something. I've enjoyed it for the most part, but yeah, just about every episode has felt like filler so far. Sometimes the filler is fun to watch, but still. Have they tackled a single neat sci-fi concept this year? I suppose the idiot constellation planet kinda counts, but it wasn't as compelling as even the idiot social media planet from last season. I guess we have different expectations, then. I think it'd be cool to have those sorts of high-concept episodes, but "the show they made isn't the show I wanted them to make" is not, to me, a flaw to be addressed in the criticism of individual episodes.
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The thing about Klyden is that he's not ever portrayed as selfish or unreasonable or anything like that. He's just conventionally Moclan.
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Epicurius posted:The thing about Klyden is that he's not ever portrayed as selfish or unreasonable or anything like that. He's just conventionally Moclan. Yeah, Klyden always acts much more friendly and open than Bortus its just that he has a totally hosed value system. It's like that one person you know that's always super helpful and friendly but then turns out to be some flavor of awful because of their horrible political/religious beliefs. EDIT: Plus, I have to wonder on some level if Klyden became even more zealous about Moclan values after he learned he'd originally been born female because otherwise he'd have to accept Bortus' belief that what happened to him was wrong. So a Moclan who likes women might be doubly horrible to him because he's invested himself in the idea that he'd been born as a hosed up mutant pariah and here is someone who would have potentially loved the unacceptable being he would have been instead of the socially correct one he was made to be. Bob Quixote fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Bob Quixote posted:Yeah, Klyden always acts much more friendly and open than Bortus its just that he has a totally hosed value system. It's like that one person you know that's always super helpful and friendly but then turns out to be some flavor of awful because of their horrible political/religious beliefs. he's Kilngon Chris Pratt!!!!
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Bob Quixote posted:Yeah, Klyden always acts much more friendly and open than Bortus its just that he has a totally hosed value system. It's like that one person you know that's always super helpful and friendly but then turns out to be some flavor of awful because of their horrible political/religious beliefs. Right, that's the thing. Klyden is more friendly and open than Bortus. He's just, like most people, trapped by his culture and has never really questioned its values. But still, if I needed somebody to help me move a couch, I'd definitely pick Klyden.
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To the people complaining about personal drama episodes, it's all but confirmed next week is part 1 of a big sci-fi adventure two parter. Maybe they downplayed sci-fi adventure to build up to the two parter. Also, did everyone forget All That Left In The World Is The Fishes? Essentially Enemy Mine meets The Orville?
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PT6A posted:I guess we have different expectations, then. I think it'd be cool to have those sorts of high-concept episodes, but "the show they made isn't the show I wanted them to make" is not, to me, a flaw to be addressed in the criticism of individual episodes. I don't know if it's fair to call it "the show I wanted them to make," when it's what the entire setting of the show leads you to expect. It's Star Trek. This season has felt really heavy on relationship drama and very light on Star Trek-style space adventures. Just about every episode has felt like a "filler" episode of Star Trek. It's not even very funny, for the most part. It seems like a waste of the setting to do workplace drama played almost completely straight.
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Tom Guycot posted:don't let Seth appear on camera. On one hand, I feel bad for Seth because I feel like he will always have Family Guy hanging around his neck from one direction and the South Park guys deriding him in the other direction and people will forever just not like him because of all the backlash to FG. Then I remember he has tons of money and will be fine and he doesn't seem to care.
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Epicurius posted:The thing about Klyden is that he's not ever portrayed as selfish or unreasonable or anything like that. He's just conventionally Moclan.
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Also this episode was great, if your problem is "not enough technobabble" or "not enough space pew pew", Discovery is that away. 
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In a human society Klyden would wear a sweatervest and be a Baptist
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Mooseontheloose posted:On one hand, I feel bad for Seth because I feel like he will always have Family Guy hanging around his neck from one direction and the South Park guys deriding him in the other direction and people will forever just not like him because of all the backlash to FG. Tons of money, dates crazy hot famous women, and gets to play Star Trek for a living... so yeah I think he's doing aight.
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This could have been the Mercer show and instead it's the Bortus show and McFarland deserves credit for that. Might be reaching peak Bortus though. I know my first reaction to them visiting Moclus again was not of eager excitement. Episode was still good though.
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Peak Bortus and Peak Moclus are two different things.
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I feel like this show's TNGness has sort of inadvertently conditioned us to expect the Moclan-centric episodes to occur over a 7 season series and having them so close together in reality is glitching people out I loving love how this show feels like it's building to something on top of everything else it's doing and I'm going to be heartbroken when they're inevitably cancelled
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I hope the Krill are just a plot misdirection and won't actually be the big bad in a war arc. Doing an inter-union civil war/conflict makes so much more sense thematically with the show.
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curveball option - the eventual war will be with the moklans and the krill will split in a reconcilliation faction and a "murder in the name of avis" faction. This split leads to the race getting overwhelmed by the space orks
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Apparently the Flower guy was Bruce WIllis https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/02/15/the-orville-bruce-willis-cameo-katrudian-flower Also I certainly said "Ha ha! Cookies on dowels!" when they said cookie bouquet.
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bring back old gbs posted:he's Kilngon Chris Pratt!!!! Oh boy. Whats the deal with Chris Pratt?
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Thundercracker posted:Oh boy. Whats the deal with Chris Pratt? He's a member of a vehemently anti-gay church. Moreso than a typical church.
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Pakled posted:He's a member of a vehemently anti-gay church. Moreso than a typical church. Was he like born into it like Beck with Scientology?
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Thundercracker posted:Was he like born into it like Beck with Scientology? Nope, he's born-again.
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Thundercracker posted:Oh boy. Whats the deal with Chris Pratt? Apparently his son was born with some bad medical problems and Pratt had a really bad time and joined a church that thinks gay people are bad and supports that gay conversion therapy poo poo.
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Yeah it was just a joke, Pratt is in a weird church but he's not done anything personally other than defending the church for being there for him.
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bring back old gbs posted:Yeah it was just a joke, Pratt is in a weird church but he's not done anything personally other than defending the church for being there for him. Except for defending the whole gay conversion thing which aside from being stupid leads to gay kids committing suicide.
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1glitch0 posted:Except for defending the whole gay conversion thing which aside from being stupid leads to gay kids committing suicide. I can’t find any evidence of this.
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Phylodox posted:I can’t find any evidence of this. He's still in the church, that's enough. I'm absolutely down with calling Klyden a Moclan Chris Pratt. Really enjoyed this episode and I especially enjoyed the Moclan version of the Orville. It'd be nice to learn that most species that have a proper military (so not the Xelayans) have similar design ships but with their own special design. Although really I'd like them to explore the actual politics of the Union more. Who are the movers and shakers outside Earth and Moclan?
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Taear posted:He's still in the church, that's enough. Yeah, I hope we get more into that, though I think they're really setting up the dynamics of the moclans within the Union, and we know a bit about the Xelayans role in the union (scientists mostly), but thats about it. Not that I can blame them, its only been like, 19 episodes so far in total, and theres been over 30 species shown to be in the union so theres a lot of places to go, but only so much time. What I'd really like is... and I can't believe I'm saying this... but some orville canon novels that can have the space to flesh things out more.
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