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Rainbow Knight posted:drat the more I think about it the worse I feel for my boss. He's very high anxiety, does not like working here because he does not get along with anyone, and is very... emotionally fragile? I guess. Why does he not get along with others? This is something I fear the most, especially after now becoming a manager. Was asked to write some scripts and it was great, wish I could do more of that instead of managing poo poo.
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Rainbow Knight posted:drat the more I think about it the worse I feel for my boss. He's very high anxiety, does not like working here because he does not get along with anyone, and is very... emotionally fragile? I guess. I'm going to put in applications for non-retail jobs, data entry positions where I'll have to start at the bottom again, but hopefully can recoup some of my mental well being.
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I'm three hours into my shift. I'm supposed to be learning the register, but there's construction going on for the installation of twelve self-checkout stations and the scan and go systems, and new touchscreens are scaring and confusing the 60+ year old women running the registers. Meanwhile, I'm just talking like a crazy person and just want to transform into Jason Voorhees and murder everyone.
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So the temp manager managed to piss off all the cashiers by telling them which lanes they have to be on. His explanation was 'I'll show you how to do business, just listen to what I tell you'. Yeah that's gonna win some hearts there buddy. The bigger issue is I'm supposed to be managing cashiers, so I'll have to confront him later today about it because cashiers are complaining to me about it. Good times. quote:Better tell your boss to look for another job outside of retail, because this feeling of anxiety is going to come back many times. Every location that he can get transferred to is going to have employees with the damnedest problems, which is usually the source of department drama. There's no escaping it. I had many years to develop thick skin for this poo poo, but now these days with the added bonus of harsh micromanagement policies, I'm done with this poo poo. Same, going to get my resume updated tonight and start looking for job fairs n' such. I can probably land on a help desk gig with my experiences.
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My SM is a lazy poo poo sometimes. Instead of just staring at me or asking "what are you waiting on at the window?" while I'm juggling taking an order, gathering and getting payment for another, and checking to see if the order that came in during the power surge just a moment ago actually went through to the bar, maybe get off your rear end and take an order or two so I can regroup. We were stacked, and I needed a hand, and her choice was just to stare at me and occasionally ask "why are our times so high". One of our bars AND one of our registers crashed from the power surge, Christ lady, give your 'partners' a hand instead of just watching. She just got back from a vacation in the loving Cayman Islands. I wanted to loving strangle her.
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gamingCaffeinator posted:My SM is a lazy poo poo sometimes. Instead of just staring at me or asking "what are you waiting on at the window?" while I'm juggling taking an order, gathering and getting payment for another, and checking to see if the order that came in during the power surge just a moment ago actually went through to the bar, maybe get off your rear end and take an order or two so I can regroup. We were stacked, and I needed a hand, and her choice was just to stare at me and occasionally ask "why are our times so high". One of our bars AND one of our registers crashed from the power surge, Christ lady, give your 'partners' a hand instead of just watching. Call in everything to facilities that's even slightly broken and dwindle away their bonus.
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ijii posted:Better tell your boss to look for another job outside of retail, because this feeling of anxiety is going to come back many times. Every location that he can get transferred to is going to have employees with the damnedest problems, which is usually the source of department drama. There's no escaping it. I had many years to develop thick skin for this poo poo, but now these days with the added bonus of harsh micromanagement policies, I'm done with this poo poo. I mean, he's very high anxiety. I don't feel comfortable speculating whether or not he has any kind of diagnosed problem, but he's in his 40s, throws tantrums upon encountering the slightest resistance, came into the dept and proceeded to wreck any organization we had to better suit his method, argues about everything, and has actually cried during an argument with his assistant and also after our ASM gave him simple tasks. He's not going to thrive no matter where he is imo. Revalis Enai posted:Why does he not get along with others? This is something I fear the most, especially after now becoming a manager. He's got his issues, and he isn't very socially graceful. If you're worried about your relationship with your crew, if found that being supportive is the best way to do things. I looked at my job as, most importantly, growing future managers. I've tried the mean approach and I know for a fact it's worthless. If you're mean, in addition to demoralizing your people, they aren't going to work unless you make them. It's going to hamstring you right away. Sorry if that all sound a little cheesy  E: I honestly have a lot I could say on the subject, but I'm trying to refine it to as few word as possible or else there would be a 50000000000 word that would be impossible to parse. Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Feb 19, 2019 |
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Rainbow Knight posted:I mean, he's very high anxiety. I don't feel comfortable speculating whether or not he has any kind of diagnosed problem, but he's in his 40s, throws tantrums upon encountering the slightest resistance, came into the dept and proceeded to wreck any organization we had to better suit his method, argues about everything, and has actually cried during an argument with his assistant and also after our ASM gave him simple tasks. He's not going to thrive no matter where he is imo. I definitely agree. Some folks are upset about the sudden change in management, and they probably heard some bad gossips about me while I was working most in the office. It's probably going to take some time to let them know me better, that or it won't matter once I find a new job.
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It's my birthday and I should be allowed to drink on the job today.
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Star Man posted:
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Star Man posted:It's my birthday and I should be allowed
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All of those are fine suggestions.
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I drink.
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therobit posted:I drink. 
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You're all beautiful. All of you.
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Our dairy person is a real trooper. When I declined the position ( for reasons both logical and spiteful ), I had reservations about her, because she had no experience running grocery or anything. But she proved herself willing to learn and eager to get the gently caress out of the deli, and worked hard at it. Her willingness to do a good job, not because of company bullshit, but to pull her own weight- it's something a lot of people just don't have, and it's a big part of why I stuck up for her in the early days when the managers would gripe about this or that. A lot of my exchanges with the managers in question went as such: "She didn't do X-Y-Z like she should have!" "Well, did you train her to do it that way?" "...No, I didn't have time." Now, she's not the perfect worker- but she's twice my age and father time ain't been kind to her. She's one of those fifty-something women that looks like someone put a salt and pepper wig on a willow switch. Could she be faster? More thorough? Maybe. But for the eleven dollars an hour she makes? She's a loving steal. She works a physically demanding job, frequently in pain, frequently stressed ( needlessly ) by pointless micromanagement from the store manager, and does it well enough. I'll admit that my support of her isn't some altruistic-worker "let's all lock arms and sing The Internationale and fly the red banner" ra-ra bullshit ( although that's a part of it ). We work connected departments. If she was loving up her department, my job would be a lot loving harder. Really, it just boils down to the fact that I believe if you're in a position of leadership, and you poo poo on someone that's trying their best instead of trying to build them up- you're a loving idiot and you deserve all the other loving idiots which will sprout beneath you in the mushroom farm that is your command structure. But I digress. Lately, we've been having problems with grocery. One guy we hired walked out the day he was hired, which I thought was hilarious, the grocery manager less so. Our lead stocker and grocery manager to be is injured. We're burning through grocery staff so fast you'd think they were a pack of cigarettes in the hand of a fifty-something retail lifer at the end of a ten hour shift. So they've been calling our dairy person in to work grocery. Sometimes this means she blows a backstock day to do so, which is- undesirable. Backstock can accumulate quickly in any department, but in dairy, it's even more complicated. Anyone who works a perishable department is highly resistant to having someone they don't trust coming in to "help" them, because if you don't keep up rotation, it fucks everything up. The cashier dragooned into putting stuff on the shelf doesn't know what rotation is, doesn't give a poo poo, and won't be held accountable. So she does as they ask, helps in grocery, and the store manager whinges at her for having too many outs in her own department. Sometimes this means she has to come in early before her own shift and work a ten, eleven, twelve hour day, helping run grocery before moving on to run her own truck. This is- undesirable. She's done it multiple times, in that way decent workers ( suckers ) do, because they're a team player ( lol ) and because they're broke as gently caress and need the money. And then the store manager micromanages her and drives her insane. Yesterday was such a day, and during the course of her shift, she got a super massive headache for some mysterious reason that may or may not have involved being badgered via radio communication by someone who had their rear end parked in a chair while she was busting her's. Halfway through her day, she went to the ASM and asked for permission to go home early. "No." But she was scheduled to come in the next day- couldn't she just fill her outs, come in tomorrow morning, and finish what remained of the truck? "No." She was pissed when I came in, more or less swearing to never come in early again to help with grocery or anything else, on the verge of quitting. I think one more good nudge would have seen her out the door that day, never to return. I talked with her about the whole "you did too much too well and now the expectations placed upon you are too high" thing, to which she agreed, let her vent for a couple minutes, and commiserated with her, validating her complaints, as you do. Anything I can help with? No? You're almost done? Good, then you get to go home soon. Not much further to go, right? Drive her to quit just before inventory and I swear I'll call out because I'll want no part of that dick-bashing frustration fest brought on by uncompromising stupidity. NerdyMcNerdNerd fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 21, 2019 |
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Yeah that's some bullshit. When my boss does that I usually respond by telling him that it's his call, or that I'm the only one in my department, or that I might not be able to get to everything. It's their call, so it's their problem if things go to poo poo. Never give more than 100% unless you feel like it, imo.
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Alternatively, therobit posted:drink. THEN work
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask/Tell > Business, Finance, and Careers > Retail Thread: Start drinking heavily
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but everyone should all lock arms and sing The Internationale and im not even a commie
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Kilonum posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask/Tell > Business, Finance, and Careers > Retail Thread: Start drinking heavily I work in a liquor store and this is one of the only things you can get fired for so I'll take it under advisement.
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on the job though right? dont get a nice employee discount?
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I honestly think that you have to be an heartless rear end in a top hat to be an efficient retail manager. The compassionate ones don't seem to last.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Really, it just boils down to the fact that I believe if you're in a position of leadership, and you poo poo on someone that's trying their best instead of trying to build them up- you're a loving idiot and you deserve all the other loving idiots which will sprout beneath you in the mushroom farm that is your command structure. Absolute loving wisdom. I'll take someone trying hard over someone who doesn't give a poo poo, every goddamn time. Even if things might look ostensibly the same at the end of the day. One will only get better, the other will only get worse.
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God what I would give to have the ability to just ignore a piece of cardboard glued to the ground with syrup. To just sweep around it! My life would be so much easier. I actually love having ants.
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https://twitter.com/naamanzhou/status/1098700975420964865 PYF thing to say if someone asks you to see a real egg.
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"Are you a cop? You have to tell me if you're a cop"
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Zenithe posted:PYF thing to say if someone asks you to see a real egg. 
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Zenithe posted:https://twitter.com/naamanzhou/status/1098700975420964865 "Are you sure? I'm not sure you can handle it."
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Really, it just boils down to the fact that I believe if you're in a position of leadership, and you poo poo on someone that's trying their best instead of trying to build them up- you're a loving idiot and you deserve all the other loving idiots which will sprout beneath you in the mushroom farm that is your command structure. You also deserve every bit of ire that you generate when HR comes down on your stupid head, as happened a few weeks ago at the Amazon warehouse I work at. Not technically retail, but close enough and I can't find an Amazon bitching thread. We had an upper level manager and his two floor manager buddies decide the best way to increase productivity in the outbound shipdock was, in short, to piss everyone off. They could come in and basically kept telling everyone they weren't doing their job right, or fast enough or [insert other complaint you can probably imagine/remember hearing yourself 1,000x over from your own bosses]. Obviously this worked to a degree but it rapidly ran into diminishing returns, and increasing tempers that weren't being given a chance to cool down after Peak season finished during what is normally the Q1 slump (everyone burned their money/bought what they wanted for the holidays) because management was on their asses. Until, one day, they pissed everyone off that about 2/3 of the ship dock crew just walked off. Which is actually a thing you can do at Amazon warehouses: your time off is allocated down to the hour so you can basically tell your boss "Hey man, I feel like poo poo, I'm going home" (see also "I want to crack open some brewskis with my buddies" and "Because I want to" but mainly the reason is if you're having an off day, Amazon would rather you head home than be a safety incident so management can't stop you if you have the time in reserve). If one person bitches, HR will likely find fault with them as the managers are pretty much guaranteed to win the "He says, she says" contest. When 15 people just walk out the door at once, HR takes notice and not just because they have to walk past HR's desk to leave. When the outbound dock slows down and stops, the entire facility rapidly grinds to a halt as the pack departments quickly run out of places to put the shipments they built. The entire building notices it. And HR has a hard enough time finding people who can/will work on the shipdocks. Those three managers? 2 got fired by end of shift, one was on called in off of family leave and then fired a week later. All because they wouldn't stop basically trying to neg their workers into being more productive instead of pulling their heads out of their asses and solving problems.
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Alkydere posted:If one person bitches, HR will likely find fault with them as the managers are pretty much guaranteed to win the "He says, she says" contest. When 15 people just walk out the door at once, HR takes notice and not just because they have to walk past HR's desk to leave. When the outbound dock slows down and stops, the entire facility rapidly grinds to a halt as the pack departments quickly run out of places to put the shipments they built. The entire building notices it. And HR has a hard enough time finding people who can/will work on the shipdocks. That's genuinely heartwarming   says the next thing HR did was kill the 'workers can leave without management approval anytime they want if they have time available' rule, though.
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Nope, it's corporate wide and literally how corporate doles out our hours. The policy is set so far above local HR's paygrade it's not even funny. -Every quarter we get 20 hours of Unpaid Time Off (UPT). Never expires, caps at 160 hours. BUT you get fired if you go negative and don't immediately have your rear end at the HR desk begging for forbearance. -Every paycheck we get about 1.5 hours (it's some weird decimal) of Personal/Paid Time Off (PTO) and it maxes out at 48 hours/year for full time and 36 hours/year for part or reduced time shifts. Expires at the end of the year so it's use it or lose it and you start from 0 in January. -Every paycheck you also get 1-ish hours of vacation time, which increases to 2-ish (like 2.25? It's another weird decimal) once you've worked a year. Like UPT this never expires, caps out at 160 hours (but HR will start nagging you to use some around 150 hours because they don't like people to have a full month of paid vacation stocked up). There's also VTO (Voluntary Time Off, a.k.a. "we don't have enough work for everyone, who wants to go home early tonight?") It comes down to the fact that it's very much a sweatshop job (albeit a well paying one with crazy insurance) and Amazon would rather its workers take a half night off here or there if they're just not feeling well as compared to staying and being another injury statistic. The fact that it also gives workers a bit of a stress pressure valve helps reduce the job's absurd turnover. Technically you're supposed to give your boss an hour or two of notice if you can, but that's a soft/unofficial rule to give management less sudden headaches. I've basically gone "Yeah, I feel like poo poo, sorry." several times with no prior warning and never gotten in trouble for it.
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Alkydere posted:Nope, it's corporate wide and literally how corporate doles out our hours. The policy is set so far above local HR's paygrade it's not even funny. Now I'm curious; because amazon has copped a lot of media attention for horrific working conditions; but that sounds almost progressive by US standards at least.
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Honestly because OSHA likes to breathe down Amazon's neck, and because some people in management realized this was just a more flexible way to do it. It solves a lot of problems at once. Also a lot of the horror stories come from one of two places: 1) The old, old sites which simply cannot be run at the newer, more advanced sites rates no matter what you do. Which means of course there are managers who will still try to do so. Everywhere has its rear end in a top hat managers who goes "I can make literally magic happen by treating my workers like poo poo" and Amazon is no exception. There is just so much equipment and redesigning in newer facilities that the workflow and production rate that the newer facilities produce is simply not compatible with the older warehouses that look like, well, everyone else's warehouses. Also and you get poo poo like one of the original Amazon warehouses in Seattle having literally only one metal detector for an entire shift to filter through (you have to go through screening as you leave. For me it's "hold clear water bottle in one hand, hold keys and safety knife in other hand, walk through metal detector", but other people have bags and such). It takes so long to leave that building that no one can leave it on lunch break, so you're effectively trapped until shift-end. 2) Opening new locations. New buildings are giant clusterfucks for the first 3-4 months at minimum because as far as I can tell the company policy is to basically give management the bare minimum training on the equipment, hire a bunch of people off the streets, then everyone gets to sink or swim. They do have "Away team" members filling in just about every non-management role from other, mature facilities, but those are maybe 10% of the workers. A brand new Amazon FC isn't a mere dumpster fire. For the first few months it's a ballistic dumpster fire hurtling through the sky, spewing flaming garbage everywhere. The building I work at opened just before the 2016 holiday season, when I was hired for Peak 2017 I was informed that during Peak 2016 they had an ambulance visit nearly every day. That is something the people hiring me straight up told my entire shift to our faces when we were being on-boarded. In short anything that lowers injuries and such is approved. If going home means you're less likely to hurt yourself, management lets you go home. Alkydere fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Alkydere posted:Amazon stuff I love seeing workers triumph over blatant shitheadery so thanks for that. The Lord Bude posted:sounds almost progressive by US standards at least. Damning with faint praise if I've ever seen it.
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