Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I'm not sure that's right, at least as I'm reading it. The splash attack doesn't trigger retaliate because it isn't attack, but this reading would also apply to attacks like Dirt Tornado (AoE from a targeted hex) and Explosive Punch (AoE from an adjacent obstacle), both of which would trigger retaliate if Rocky is adjacent to the target.

Phelddagrif posted:

Basically, if you perform an "Attack X" ability against a monster, and it survives and is in range, it will retaliate.

If a monster suffers damage from anything other than an Attack, it will not retaliate.

So for example, a monster hit by Dirt Tornado will retaliate if it's in range to do so, since you're hitting every target in the AOE with an Attack ability. On the other hand, monsters hit by the splash damage from Massive Boulder do not retaliate, since the splash is an effect of an Attack against a different target, so those monsters were not hit by an Attack themselves.

Omobono posted:

If I understood correctly, if

1) you draw a modifier card against a target AND
2) you're within retaliation range (after pushes or pulls) AND
3) the target survives the attack

then retaliation damage happens. Did I miss some edge case or does that cover everything?

Deck Adjustments posted:

- Master Splinter: Withering Claw out, Hostile Takeover in.
- Rocky: Avalanche out, Explosive Punch in. Dirt Tornado out, Rock Tunnel in.
- Bullwinkle: Shield Bash out, Eye for an Eye in.

ROUND REVEAL posted:

10. Bullwinkle the Inox BruteCar Hater posted:

code:

"PROVOKING ROAR (10) [Lvl1]
TOP: ATK2 - DISARM
BOT: Round bonus Any enemy who targets one of your adjacent allies with an attack this round targets you with that attack instead, regardless of the attack's range."

"EYE FOR AN EYE (18) [Lvl1]
TOP: Round bonus RETALIATE2, Self - Gain XP1 each time you Retaliate this round.
BOT: HEAL2, Range1 - Generate EARTH"

48. Master Splinter the Vermling MindthiefDarthRoblox posted:

code:

"SUBMISSIVE AFFLICTION (48) [Lvl1]
TOP: ATK2 - Add +ATK1 for each negative condition on the target - XP1
BOT: Force one enemy within Range5 to perform ATK2 (Range0) targeting another enemy with you controlling the action."

"THE MIND'S WEAKNESS (75) [Lvl1]
TOP:  Augment - Persistent Bonus On your melee attacks add +2ATK - ATK1 - XP1 (discard when another augment is played)
BOT: ATK1 - WOUND"

77. Rocky the Savvas CragheartMarquiseMindfang posted:

code:

"BACKUP AMMUNITION (77) [Lvl1]
TOP: Persistent Bonus On your next four ranged Attack actions, gain ADD TARGET - Gain XP1 each trigger - LOSS
BOT: MOVE3"

"EARTHEN CLOD (38) [Lvl1]
TOP: ATK2, Range5 - Consume EARTH: IMMOBILIZE, XP1
BOT: HEAL2, Range3"

Piell posted:

If Bullwinkle moves to J2, he'll only take 3 hits, and Rocky and Master Splinter will take one each. Probably the best setup available so that Bullwinkle doesn't explode from damage. Spreading out the damage means everyone can take a long rest before they go into the next room and recover some of the damage/armor.

Zurai posted:

Welcome to Gloomhaven Doggos. Definitely not the players' best friends.

Piell posted:

If Bullwinkle moves to J2, he'll only take 3 hits, and Rocky and Master Splinter will take one each. Probably the best setup available so that Bullwinkle doesn't explode from damage. Spreading out the damage means everyone can take a long rest before they go into the next room and recover some of the damage/armor.

Reik posted:

Bullwinkle should probably use boots and move to K2 instead. He'll still only get attacked by 3 enemies, but we can move dog 5 to H2 which will make the bite on Splinter not include the +2 and move dog 6 to D2 which will make the bite on Rocky not be at +2 as well.

Reik posted:

Bullwinkle should probably use boots and move to K2 instead. He'll still only get attacked by 3 enemies, but we can move dog 5 to H2 which will make the bite on Splinter not include the +2 and move dog 6 to D2 which will make the bite on Rocky not be at +2 as well.

Phelddagrif posted:

No, that won't work. If dog 5 moves to H2, then the spot where the Brute is currently standing will be open, so dog 6 will move there and attack the Mindthief for 4.

That said, I've checked a bunch of options, and that seems to be the safest play. The only difference would be moving Hound 5 to the Brute's current spot, so Hound 6 would have to attack the Cragheart (for 4).

Car Hater posted:

drat, I had wholly intended to facetank, had forgotten the +2 next to allies card. Might still be worth the gamble, would be funny to let the entire dungeon ride on our luck the first turn.

Phelddagrif posted:

No, that won't work. If dog 5 moves to H2, then the spot where the Brute is currently standing will be open, so dog 6 will move there and attack the Mindthief for 4.

That said, I've checked a bunch of options, and that seems to be the safest play. The only difference would be moving Hound 5 to the Brute's current spot, so Hound 6 would have to attack the Cragheart (for 4).

Narsham posted:

With the Brute in K2, dog 2 focuses on the Mindthief. Move it to F2. Then dog 6 will focus Rocky and the Mindthief only takes one attack. I think this is Reik's point only with the wrong dog number.

It isn't a long scenario and the Brute has jump, so taking card loss isn't entirely out of the question. But the action card reshuffles: if the same card gets pulled next turn, how many hounds can you kill before init 17 rolls around again?

MarquiseMindfang posted:

Tell me if I'm wrong about this, I might be.

If the Brute declines to activate Provoking, he'll take 2 > 4 > 4 > 4 as Elite moves to E2, #1 to G2, #2 to D2 (and he's faster initiative than me), and #5 to H2 (where he's again, faster than the Mindthief.) He can Retaliate each of those for 2. The damage is bad but he has ALL the mitigation.

I'll take 4 from #6, which is fine. And I'll give 2 HP back to the Brute.

If Brute than uses his potion and moves as fast as possible again, if he can move first, a Sweeping Blow could cleave three of the half-HP ones in one shot.

DarthRoblox posted:

drat, if I had known the hounds could be that nasty I would've front-loaded something a little quicker and more powerful. Quick question - do I have the necklace of teeth equipped or does that only happen after the scenario?
Even if I don't, 2 damage on me is fine especially if we're long-resting before moving on. I should be able to damage the hound that hits me and then do 2 damage to the elite + kill a hound by taking advantage of the elite retaliate. If I go fast next round, I should be able to kill 2 more.

That Italian Guy posted:

The main idea behind Provoking Roar bottom is to protect more vulnerable allies that are acting faster than you, I guess; it is difficult to make it work perfectly; that said one of the good thing about GH is that you get cards that are flexible enough to allow you to improvise once your first plan goes wrong

Edit: to better explain why that cards work the way it does: if you are targeted by an attack you suffer it's consequences; it's the reason being invisible protects you from any attack - even if you're inside the template of an area of effect one - because while you're invisible you cannot be targeted by any enemy.

Car Hater posted:

Hmmm, I guess my group has been reading target as two components, Focus and Attack. Just because an enemy focuses you does not mean it necessarily can attack. The rest of the internet agrees with you though, and nothing from Isaac so let's roll with it, I think I'm just gonna vibrate in place and retaliate this round then.

Reik posted:

Wouldn't the position of dog 6 be up to the players to decide because both hex D2 and F2 require moving 3?

Phelddagrif posted:

Sorry, got pulled away due to work, and it looks like the discussion has moved on to a different plan, but I wanted to reply to this, as it's a commonly misunderstood part of monster focus.

If the spot where the Brute is currently standing is empty on hound 6's turn, and the Brute is farther away/surrounded by hounds, then hound 6 will focus the Mindthief:

Least movement to make an attack? 3 (the hexes in front of Crag/MT)

Distance from the targets? 4 for both.

Fastest initiative? Mindthief

Pending actions from last Round posted:

- None!

10. Bullwinkle the Inox Brute (Car Hater) posted:

- Bullwinkle uses Eye for an Eye (bot)! Round Bonus: RETALIATE2, Self. Gain 1XP each time you Retaliate this round.
- Bullwinkle uses Provoking Roar (top)! No action taken!

19. Hound 3(E), 1, 2, 5, 6 posted:

- Hound 3(E) focuses Bullwinkle! Moves 1 to E2. Attacks Bullwinkle for 1 (2base, +0mod, SHIELD1) damage. Bullwinkle RETALIATES2! Gains 1XP.
Hide Armor first charge used
Hound 3(E) is at 4 HP
Bullwinkle is at 11 HP
- Hound 1 focuses Bullwinkle! Moves 2 to G2. Attacks Bullwinkle for 4 (2base, +2'mod +2bonus, SHIELD2) damage. Bullwinkle RETALIATES2! Gains 1XP.
Hide Armor second charge used, SPENT. Heather Shield SPENT.
Bullwinkle is at 7 HP
Hound 1is at 2 HP
- Hound 2 focuses Bullwinkle! Moves 3 to D2. Attacks Bullwinkle for 3 (2base, -1mod +2bonus) damage. Bullwinkle RETALIATES2! Gains 1XP.
Hound 2is at 2 HP
Bullwinkle is at 4 HP
- Hound 5 focuses Bullwinkle! Moves 3 to H2. Attacks Bullwinkle for 4 (2base, x2mod(Iron Helmet turns it into +0) +2bonus) damage. Bullwinkle RETALIATES2! Gains 1XP. Bullwinkle has to lose a card to prevent lethal damage!
Hound 5is at 2 HP
Bullwinkle is at 4 HP
- Hound 6 focuses Rocky! Moves 4 to C3. Attacks Rocky for 3 (2base, -1mod +2bonus) damage.
Rockyis at 9 HP

48. Master Splinter the Vermling Mindthief (DarthRoblox) posted:

- Master Splinter uses The Mind's Weakness (top)! Persistent Bonus active: On your melee attacks add +2ATK (discard when another augment is played). Attacks Hound 5 for 4 (1base, +1mod +2bonus) damage! Gains 1XP.
Hound 5 is killed!
- Master Splinter uses Submissive Affliction (bot)! Forces Hound 1 to ATK2 Hound 3(E)! Hound 1 attacks Hound 3(E) for 2 (2base, +0mod) damage. Hound 3(E) RETALIATES2!
Hound 3(E) is at 2 HP
Hound 1 is killed!

77. Rocky the Savvas Cragheart (MarquiseMindfang) posted:

- Rocky uses Backup Ammunition (top)! Persistent Bonus active: on your next four ranged Attack actions, gain ADD TARGET - Gain XP1 each trigger, then LOSS.
- Rocky uses Earthen Clod (bot)! HEAL2 Bullwinkle.
Bullwinkle is at 6 HP

END OF ROUND ACTIONS posted:

- None!