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Xenophile is only interesting depending on the other civs in the game. If they're all xenophile or neutral, it's a big happy hug party, which is boring. If they're all xenophobic/genocidal, your love goes unrequited (and you probably die). Xenophobe/Genocidal gameplay is far more consistent. The flip side is that it also feels kinda samey between games. That's not to say Xenophile can't be fun. Trying to forge a working Federation out of a bunch of races that hate each other is good stuff...or it would be, if Federations weren't such worthless piles of poo poo. But the thought is what counts.
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Libluini posted:Now I want a "Dawn Hunter"-version of the exterminators where it's just creepy binary screeching at you if you open the diplomacy screen. Would you explain this reference? I can imagine it, but it would be interesting to see the source and how it was executed.
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That jerkop AsaTJ gave Stellaris Console a score exactly one point one points higher than the original PC release on IGN. Cruel and unusual!
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I like both I just don't get the hangup on playing the bad guy. Sometimes playing the bad guy is fun. My human run is basically "I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill em' all".
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New player here. I haven't gotten into any proper fights yet, just mopping aside mining drones and pirates, but I'd like to maintain a strong deterrent against the ornery hegemonic imperialists I share borders with. Is there a good strategy or rule of thumb for fleet composition? I am trying to follow a logical structure with each new ship I research. For example, when I discovered cruisers, I split 10 corvettes off from a fleet of 10 destroyers and 30 corvettes to form a fleet of 5 cruisers, 10 destroyers, and 20 corvettes. I know that corvettes are good for patrolling against piracy, but is it worth it to have a corvettes-only rapid response force, or will it never be strong enough to matter? Are certain classes of ships, like destroyers, worthless or ineffective as I've read?
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Feb 22, 2019 16:50
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From what i've been told, mono-fleets are basically the best, cruisers suck. However, because I enjoy fleet battles looking more than a big swirl, typically you use corvettes and expect some of those to die while your big ships (destroyers, derelicts, etc) fire into the swarm. Later on your get bigger ships that ignore the swarm and fire at the other big ship. With the composition you've got, you'd want to set the corvettes to swarm, the cruisers to act more like "picket ships" (they catch things trying to get to your big ships") and then your destroyers just firing at everything they can reach.
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At this point, it doesn't feel to me as if there's a "bad" ship class, whereas before the corvette nerf if you weren't just fielding vast fleets of corvettes you were doing it wrong. I always have a corvette fast-response fleet about, because you can use afterburners and an appropriate admiral to make a really zippy first response fleet. They may not actually stop the thing they're sent against, but they can delay it long enough for the cruiser fleet to move in. However, once I get cruisers I don't have corvettes in with them, I tend to have a cruiser/destroyer fleet and a corvette fleet (sometimes I stick afterburner destroyers in the corvette fleet). With battleships, I'll then have 1 or 2 battleship/cruiser/destroyer fleets, 1-2 corvette fleets, and the rest battleship/cruiser. When titans are added, I usually wait until I get +fleet cap and then start tagging titans onto the battleship/cruiser fleets. I do use the ship AI choice (artillery, line, picket, etc.) slightly different from intended, depending on what fleet they're in or what other bonuses they've got. At end-game, my corvettes usually lose the afterburners and change to picket computer since they're maxed on evasion and pretty fast. I like using destroyers for point defense in my battleship groups, so although they're loaded with point defense they've got artillery computers so they go hang with the battleships instead of running forward. Mid game cruisers are my definite main damage dealers. End game it's a split between cruisers and battleships because of how huge blob fights trade so much artillery damage prior to front line/medium weapon engagement range.
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Feb 22, 2019 16:59
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DasNeonLicht posted:New player here. I haven't gotten into any proper fights yet, just mopping aside mining drones and pirates, but I'd like to maintain a strong deterrent against the ornery hegemonic imperialists I share borders with.
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Feb 22, 2019 17:02
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Civ6, and 5 to a lesser extent, just makes me so angry. Even the Xcoms, although I love them. I tried talking to some Firaxis devs at gamescon one year but they basically just said "well, you guys have bugs too" and escaped.
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Feb 22, 2019 17:02
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Vengarr posted:Xenophile is only interesting depending on the other civs in the game. If they're all xenophile or neutral, it's a big happy hug party, which is boring. If they're all xenophobic/genocidal, your love goes unrequited (and you probably die). Xenophobe/Genocidal gameplay is far more consistent. The flip side is that it also feels kinda samey between games. Xenophile Megacorps are the best. Bribe everyone with research and money until they love you. I've managed to build a federation that contains five or six different ethos and controls the entire northwest third of the galaxy. The east third is a single devouring swarm. Everyone else is stuck in the middle. I just got access to my first wormhole into swarm territory. I smell a war comin'.
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Feb 22, 2019 17:17
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Darkrenown posted:Civ6, and 5 to a lesser extent, just makes me so angry. Even the Xcoms, although I love them. I tried talking to some Firaxis devs at gamescon one year but they basically just said "well, you guys have bugs too" and escaped. All signs indicate they have a very healthy development culture. I see nothing but great things when their go-to is "shift blame and don't communicate".
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Feb 22, 2019 17:22
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Vengarr posted:If they're all xenophobic/genocidal, your love goes unrequited (and you probably die). Impose ideology is the best CB. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Feb 22, 2019 17:42
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hobbesmaster posted:[quote="Vengarr" post="492797749"] If they're all xenophobic/genocidal, your love goes unrequited (and you probably die)./quote] The Care Bear Stare can be surprisingly effective when paired with the Care Bear Mega Cannon.
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I don’t know if this is a new issue or not, but I went with a synthetic ascension and made friends with the machine empire exterminators. We have research deals going but now they seem to randomly insult me despite having something like a +120 opinion.
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Feb 22, 2019 17:55
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Gyrotica posted:The Care Bear Stare can be surprisingly effective when paired with the Care Bear Mega Cannon. If I ever build another god laser I'll name it this. People get so mad when you screw with their populations though.
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Feb 22, 2019 17:59
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DasNeonLicht posted:Would you explain this reference? I can imagine it, but it would be interesting to see the source and how it was executed. There's this website called "Orion Arm" or something, which is like a cooperative effort to tell the future history of the galaxy. The "Dawn Hunters" are a mythical force thought to be the reason for several alien species' extinction. One of the theories behind them is that they're one of the multiple self-replicating machine swarms that have been released over the course of galactic history for many reasons. A self-replicating machine swarm like that, just wandering around and killing things would be a better analogy to the Devouring Swarm then the boring SkyNet-exterminators we have.
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Feb 22, 2019 18:11
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IPlayVideoGames posted:I don’t know if this is a new issue or not, but I went with a synthetic ascension and made friends with the machine empire exterminators. We have research deals going but now they seem to randomly insult me despite having something like a +120 opinion. They're just buggy because you're still kinda organics but not.
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Feb 22, 2019 18:17
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DasNeonLicht posted:Is there a good strategy or rule of thumb for fleet composition? What I generally do, once I get to Cruisers, is to have a couple main anti-fleet armada deathballs. These consist of "light" (broadside/torp sections) and "heavy" (artillery sections) cruisers, with some "light" destroyers (picket ships). The idea is the heavy cruisers blast other capitals, the light cruisers focus on enemy destroyers/corvettes, and the destroyers screen missiles and mop up smaller ships. As the game advances, I usually swap the heavy cruisers for kinetic artillery/neutron launcher battleships. Then I have a few raider flotillas of maybe 10-15 corvettes (picket & missiles/torps) with a handful of "heavy" destroyers (with a Large weapon). All these designs have afterburners. The idea behind these flotillas is to zip around and clean up all the odd un-upgraded stations or stop the trickle of reinforcement fleets. They can also keep enemy planets in bombardment status, although they don't do a heck of a lot of damage.
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I just had an issue with the Tzynn Star Empire where I'd build a slave processing facility on a colony which would then disappear within a month. This happened on multiple colonies, all of which were growing in population. Anyone else have anything like this occur in their games?
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Feb 22, 2019 18:57
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E. Nesbit posted:I just had an issue with the Tzynn Star Empire where I'd build a slave processing facility on a colony which would then disappear within a month. This happened on multiple colonies, all of which were growing in population. Anyone else have anything like this occur in their games? There was a bug like this with the Ministry of Culture where it was set as a unique building for the empire, so you'd built multiples and they disappear. Not sure if that's been fixed yet, but this sounds similar.
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IPlayVideoGames posted:I don’t know if this is a new issue or not, but I went with a synthetic ascension and made friends with the machine empire exterminators. We have research deals going but now they seem to randomly insult me despite having something like a +120 opinion.
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Darkrenown posted:Civ6, and 5 to a lesser extent, just makes me so angry. Even the Xcoms, although I love them. I tried talking to some Firaxis devs at gamescon one year but they basically just said "well, you guys have bugs too" and escaped. The thing with Firaxis that always gets me is the insane cost of the DLCs. I don't mind paying like £20 or so but when it's getting up beyond the cost of most brand new games it's really just too much. IPlayVideoGames posted:I don’t know if this is a new issue or not, but I went with a synthetic ascension and made friends with the machine empire exterminators. We have research deals going but now they seem to randomly insult me despite having something like a +120 opinion. In my current game I've got a federation to my east who're really good friends with me. One of them suddenly declared me a rival so I couldn't join, even though I'm an associate with +150 relations with both members. Absolutely bizzare.
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Taear posted:In my current game I've got a federation to my east who're really good friends with me. I ended up destroying them and their federation
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DasNeonLicht posted:Is there a good strategy or rule of thumb for fleet composition? I am trying to follow a logical structure with each new ship I research. For example, when I discovered cruisers, I split 10 corvettes off from a fleet of 10 destroyers and 30 corvettes to form a fleet of 5 cruisers, 10 destroyers, and 20 corvettes. I just go 8 corvettes:4 destroyers:2 cruisers:1 battleship (so when command limit is 120, I'd have 40 corvettes, 20 destroyers, 10 cruisers, 5 battleships) but that's because my brain is broken. It really doesn't seem to matter. DasNeonLicht posted:I know that corvettes are good for patrolling against piracy, but is it worth it to have a corvettes-only rapid response force, or will it never be strong enough to matter? Are certain classes of ships, like destroyers, worthless or ineffective as I've read? Corvettes-only can be powerful but they tend to die a lot just because they have smaller shields and hulls. You tend to end up replacing a lot of corvettes. dogstile posted:From what i've been told, mono-fleets are basically the best, cruisers suck. Cruisers actually make a good mono-fleet. They have enough hull and shields they usually don't die instantly but are small enough that you can build a lot without having to save up for it.
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Libluini posted:I tend to think of even devouring swarms as people. Weird, hostile people, but still people. Everyone in my empires is always sad when we have to scour them from the universe and slave-shielding their last world. I think I'm going to restart my current game with this as my objective. Authoritarian xenophobes that don't believe in exterminating aliens. Just that aliens don't have the right to expand across the galaxy. Shield ALL the homeworlds. ...which would have been a fun secret objective for the multiplayer game. ulmont posted:I just go 8 corvettes:4 destroyers:2 cruisers:1 battleship (so when command limit is 120, I'd have 40 corvettes, 20 destroyers, 10 cruisers, 5 battleships) but that's because my brain is broken. It really doesn't seem to matter. I've done Corvette-only as a rapid response/swarm wall fleet. I named them the "Mongol-class" and the fleet was known as the Mongol Horde. It seemed to do a pretty good job of keeping my heavier hulls alive by going in first, and when it wasn't doing that, I ran it around kicking over space stations.
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Warmachine posted:I've done Corvette-only as a rapid response/swarm wall fleet. I named them the "Mongol-class" and the fleet was known as the Mongol Horde. It seemed to do a pretty good job of keeping my heavier hulls alive by going in first, and when it wasn't doing that, I ran it around kicking over space stations.
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I usually have corvettes and destroyers with picket sections to act as screens, and cruisers with missiles and battleships with artillery or hangars. Question: why is all missile defense active rather than passive? Why no ECM modules to gently caress up their guidance?
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DasNeonLicht posted:New player here. I haven't gotten into any proper fights yet, just mopping aside mining drones and pirates, but I'd like to maintain a strong deterrent against the ornery hegemonic imperialists I share borders with. Splicer posted:There was a big shake up in 2.2 so any advice from pre-december is worthless. Corvettes die a lot more now with Destroyers being the new hit and run hull. Strike craft got a boost in 2.2.4 or 2.2.5 I forget which. This is pretty important, because most advice you can dig up is pretty out of date. Also, it needs to be stressed that even during the time when those advices were correct, they weren't the gospel truth. Like massed corvettes was top tier, but you could still do fleets spread out based on fleet cap size (like 8 corvettes : 4 destroyers : 2 cruisers : 1 battleship multiplied up to fleet cap). So don't feel like you're screwing yourself with "bad" fleet setups. Destroyers have the best disengagement chance, so if you're doing a long attrition type war they really cut down on losses. If you're dealing with piracy, corvettes have the best rate per naval cap. When you finish the supremacy tree, you unlock a new policy (f6) that lets you select a variety of bonus. Don't use "no retreat" unless you really know what you're doing, but any of the others can be really useful. Depending on what the lanes are like I'll have a rapid response fleet. You can get a tech that makes fleets unable to bypass upgraded starbases so you can control space. Sometimes you'll have trouble catching an enemy fleet because your battleships/cruisers are too slow, lack that tech, or similar reasons, and a rapid response fleet can tie them up in a fight until your main fleet gets there. They're also good at grabbing a lot of systems quickly, while your main attacking fleet is moving on upgraded starbases or enemy fleets.
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If I just field a fleet of entirely Neutron Launcher/Arc Lightning/Kinetic Artillery Battleships... is that viable? Or would my alloys be better spent on different types of ships? (My -- perhaps misunderstanding -- is that the monofleet is king)
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I mean, the real king is fleet power. Your launcher/lightning/kinetic layout has a couple issues, mainly that you're running 2 weapons that are by-pass and 1 that isn't. By-pass weapons have lower damage in exchange for skipping shields/armor, but if you're chewing through those defenses anyway (your kinetic artillery) then all you've really done is have lower damage output. So go all-in on bypass weaponry if you're using those, otherwise don't use any. Your monofleet also has a giant weakness, which is any high evasion fleet. Launchers and kinetic have no tracking (ie they don't counter evasion) and lightning is also fairly low tracking (not sure if you mean cloud lightning[30] or arc emitters[0]). So a max evasion torpedo corvette fleet is probably going to crush your layout, based on a roughly equal amount of CP invested. Smaller fleets that you still beat will probably inflict more losses than they take in terms of CP/alloy. The AI may or may not actually counter your setup, I'm unsure how much it is willing to do so. If you're playing that layout in MP someone who notices your setup is probably going to take you to the cleaners. Even people that run all fleets of 1 hull size are often cheating the idea of a "monofleet", in that they'll run multiple designs of that size. So like all cruiser fleets will have some spread of types. Hell, even when I'm making corvette response fleets I have multiple types (a small amount of picket ships is really good for attacking stations). The only time you really get into the territory where a mono-fleet is good is when you're facing an end-game crisis and are countering them exactly.
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I’m going to pick up this game this weekend. I assume the DLC is worth it? Also: could someone recommend me some map/player settings that could lead to an enjoyable first big experience? Thanks
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Tenacious J posted:I’m going to pick up this game this weekend. I assume the DLC is worth it? Some DLC is more worth it than others. Utopia is generally considered the most "must-have" DLC, and Apocalypse is also usually up there if you like being a warmonger. Distant Stars is good to get once you get to the point where you know all the events and anomalies in the base game but can be delayed until then. MegaCorp is the newest DLC and unless you really want to play as a MegaCorp it's probably skippable or at least delayable until it goes on sale. There's one whose name I forget which mostly just unlocks Machine Intelligence gestalts as a playable option which you can totally skip if you don't care about playing as robots from the start of the game (Utopia will let you transform your whole species into robots during the game). And the Plantoid Species Pack and Humanoid Species Pack are just extra portraits and ship graphics, no mechanical changes at all.
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Tenacious J posted:I’m going to pick up this game this weekend. I assume the DLC is worth it? The only DLC that I view as really required is Utopia, but give them all a look-see and if one enables something you like consider it. None of them are really duds, though some of them are a bit narrow in what they add so if that doesn't interest you it isn't a big add. The non-latest tend to go on sale somewhat frequently, and big system changes are included for everyone but sometimes small stuff is that dlc only. For example if you want to play as a machine empire right at the start you'll need the synthetic dawn dlc. Medium map and most default settings should be fine, though I'd recommend upping the spawned empires to around 75% of the slider. Bumping up primitive civs to 1.5 or so should make you a lot more likely to run into them. In terms of what kind of empire to play, there are quite a few types. When you have a main empire ethos picked out (for example, militarist or egalitarian, etc) we could give you better feedback on a minor ethos and civics.
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ZypherIM posted:I mean, the real king is fleet power. Launchers (At least proton/neutron launchers) don't bypass, they have bonuses to armor and hull damage, so they pair nicely with kinetic artillery's shield bonus. The real issue with them is a long cooldown, so they make great alpha strikes but usually only if you've whittled their shields down. You're probably confusing them with normal torps, which have 100% shield penetration.
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LogisticEarth posted:Launchers (At least proton/neutron launchers) don't bypass, they have bonuses to armor and hull damage, so they pair nicely with kinetic artillery's shield bonus. The real issue with them is a long cooldown, so they make great alpha strikes but usually only if you've whittled their shields down. Oh yea. Didn't they used to a few versions back or something? I could be just mentally brain farting it for sure. Launchers make sort of a poor mono-fleet weapon because of the cooldown issue for sure, though as a sort of 2-fleet setup they work really well. Have a corvette swarmer fleet with autocannons/null void beams to strip shields engage before the torpedo strike fleet engages. Still, launchers do have 0 tracking making them pretty terrible against an evasion based fleet.
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ZypherIM posted:Oh yea. Didn't they used to a few versions back or something? I could be just mentally brain farting it for sure. alcaras posted:If I just field a fleet of entirely Neutron Launcher/Arc Lightning/Kinetic Artillery Battleships... is that viable? Or would my alloys be better spent on different types of ships?
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Arc Emitters, yeah, not Arc Lightning. Sorry. So NL/AE/KA BS paired with some Mass Driver/Plasma Cannon/Autocannon Destroyers? Or corvettes? I'm somewhat trying to build a "decent first option" fleet for MP, with the understanding I will need to optimize it based on what I see human opponents field.
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